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Need advise on ayahuasca.
    #5783052 - 06/23/06 05:58 AM (17 years, 7 months ago)

Plan to order some root bark, or whatever I need to make an ayahuasca brew, I have looked at recipes online at erowid, but it has left me a little confused, could someone please tell me what I need to buy, how much, and how to prepare it. I would appreciate greatly.

I will be using this medicine for person religious purposes only. :bowdown: :mushroom2:

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Re: Need advise on ayahuasca. [Re: phungi]
    #5783118 - 06/23/06 07:01 AM (17 years, 7 months ago)

Ummm are you sure you looked properly man? Cause there are plenty of great guides online that I located, which take you through it step by step with clear instructions.

Take some time to digest the info and do a lot more reading. Think about it. It's always good to know exactly what you're doing rather than flying blind.

Using all the info you have try and write your own step by step guide and then ... if you're still uncertain about specific aspects you can ask much more specific questions.

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Re: Need advise on ayahuasca. [Re: Ngalyod]
    #5783149 - 06/23/06 07:42 AM (17 years, 7 months ago)

O.K. thats not really the advise that I was hoping for.

Of course I can write my own recipe. That would be kinna silly though.

I guess if someone could just link me to a good site with some step by step recipes, that would be much more helpful.

The recipes that I have found leave alot of questions for me. Maybe I'm simple.


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Re: Need advise on ayahuasca. [Re: phungi]
    #5783251 - 06/23/06 09:01 AM (17 years, 7 months ago)

use 15 grams of psychotria and 5 grams of rue. Grind them up in the coffee maker. Simmer them in some water (say a litre) for a while. Strain and keep the water. Put the plant material back in the pot and do it again a couple of times. Now chuck all the material and mix the results from all three extractions together. Boil it down till you get to the amount you think you'll be able to get down. Drink it and wait. For a bit more power do them both seperately and drink the rue 30mins before the psychotria. A good rule to remember when playing with dosage is that the rue controls the length of the trip and the psychotria controls the intensity. Have fun!


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Re: Need advise on ayahuasca. [Re: Darkflame]
    #5783474 - 06/23/06 11:00 AM (17 years, 7 months ago)

O.K. getting better. Are you talking about syrian rue seeds?


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Re: Need advise on ayahuasca. [Re: phungi]
    #5783826 - 06/23/06 01:28 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

Please read as much as possible before attempting an ayahuasca session. http://forums.ayahuasca.com/phpbb/ is a great information source. If your using the medicine for religious/spiritual purposes try with just cappi for your first go.This medicine is no joke. No offense but you sound no where near prepared enough for the experience. Whatever you think the intensity, is multiply that by 10000000000X.
My advice is read read read read read read and read more.and be careful with those MAOI's.

http://forums.ayahuasca.com/phpbb/
erowid.org
http://deoxy.org/
http://www.lycaeum.org/


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Re: Need advise on ayahuasca. [Re: kija]
    #5784029 - 06/23/06 02:31 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

Thank you very much for the links, thats what I needed!!

No offense taken. What then in your opinion, other than reading the copious amount of material that you provided, must one do to be prepared for his first time? Could it be possible that ayahausca is so potent that NO ONE is prepared for thier first time?

Or do you have the name and location of a S. American Shaman that I could go and stay with until such time as I have been deemed "ready" for the experience.

To be honest with you I am 33 yrs old and this year 2006 is the first time that I have ever even heard of DMT, ayahausca, ect. And I was raised in the counter culture!! Of course I saw the movie Emerald Forest, where they used the white snuff to find thier spirit animal, but I did't know what the substance they were using was supposed to be other than a shamanistic halucinagen.

Someone offered me some DMT at a concert and said that it was like taking 30 hits of acid at once. I passed. But when I got home I read up on it were I could. And I do wanna try it. But I'm in no hurry and I want to do it right. I am no fool (I don't think I am anyway). So anyway....what about that S. American shamans address?

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Re: Need advise on ayahuasca. [Re: phungi]
    #5784111 - 06/23/06 03:02 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

I think the reading is more so you know what to expect and don't eat/drink anything that will interfere with the MAOI...


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Re: Need advise on ayahuasca. [Re: phungi]
    #5784122 - 06/23/06 03:09 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

you might be better off extracting some smokable freebase DMT for your first experience instead of ayahuasca.

thats what the guy was offering you when he said it was like taking 30 hits at once. in reality, its a very intense trip, but it really only lasts 5 minutes (with 15-20 minutes of mild after effects/mushroom like visuals). and it has no bad side effects (except the harshness of the smoke), no nausea or puking, almost impossible to have a bad trip, and when its over you feel great.

I've never tried ayahuasca, but from what I've heard you get very sick, lots of vomiting is definate. and the trip itself can be very difficult. I have smoked DMT so what I said about it is personal experience.


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Re: Need advise on ayahuasca. [Re: EquilibriuM]
    #5784125 - 06/23/06 03:10 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

Yes, I can dig. I'm just having fun typing : )

The diet will be easy for me. I am a vegitarian and I fast often already.


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Re: Need advise on ayahuasca. [Re: phungi]
    #5784128 - 06/23/06 03:14 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

Thanx jefferson, thats some decent advise. I had considered it. But my problem is making damn sure that what I am getting is the genuine article. And I don't know any "trusted" DMT dealers. Buying it from some guy at a concert seems very dubious to me.


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Re: Need advise on ayahuasca. [Re: phungi]
    #5785060 - 06/23/06 09:08 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

Remember to avoid soy. My girlfriend is vegan and I'm living with her, so I eat a lot of soy products, but these are very dangerous if you're taking an MAOI.


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Re: Need advise on ayahuasca. [Re: DrGeek]
    #5785420 - 06/23/06 11:11 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

There are alot of foods you should avoid. Its pretty damn important to read that whole list of foods.


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Re: Need advise on ayahuasca. [Re: stemmer]
    #5785735 - 06/24/06 01:21 AM (17 years, 7 months ago)

Phungi, if I were you I'd smoke DMT before trying ayahuasca.

That's the way I did it. And believe me when I say I was fortunate enough to have come across DMT first.

Extraction is easy as -- only slightly more complicated than baking a cake.


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Re: Need advise on ayahuasca. [Re: Ngalyod]
    #5786019 - 06/24/06 05:28 AM (17 years, 7 months ago)

O.K. DMT it is. But once agian, how can I tell that what I'm about to smoke is DMT and not speed or some shit?


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Re: Need advise on ayahuasca. [Re: phungi]
    #5786023 - 06/24/06 05:31 AM (17 years, 7 months ago)

Oh I see what your saying...."extraction is easy".....so your saying to get the root bark and extract my own DMT. That way I would at least know that it wasn't something else.

Interesting. Very interesting......


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Re: Need advise on ayahuasca. [Re: phungi]
    #5786045 - 06/24/06 06:37 AM (17 years, 7 months ago)

Yeah man. I'm completely retarted and I figured out how to do it. It's not that difficult.

And DMT will cast you into the eye of the beholder and back within 15 minutes. Then decide if you're ready for ayahuasca.

Marsofold:

How to easily make DMT:
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Break 1-Pound of Mimosa Hostilis rootbark into 2" pieces and grind it all up in a glass-topped blender, a little at a time.
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Polar Extraction: Premix in an empty 1-Gallon plastic jug: 1-Pint White Vinegar & 3-1/2 Quarts Water. Put the ground up Mimosa in a 3-Liter crockpot, then fill it with the water-vinegar solution. Stir well and turn it on "high". After 2 hours, remove the crockpot ceramic liner, hold the lid on slightly offset, and pour off most of the liquid into a 1-gallon wide-mouthed glass or stainless container. Add the remaining water-vinegar solution to the crockpot again. Stir well and turn it on "high". After 2 hours, remove the crockpot ceramic liner, hold the lid on slightly offset, and pour off all of the liquid into the same container again. Discard the rootbark fiber and save the two combined extractions in the 1-gallon container. Allow the vegetable particles in the extraction in the 1-gallon container to settle to the bottom overnight. Then pour off the liquid into an empty 1-Gallon GLASS wine jug, being careful not
to pour off any of the vegetable sludge at the bottom. Discard the sludge and keep the contents of the wine jug.
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Basification: Premix in advance a solution of: 4 Tablespoons (50grams) of Sodium Hydroxide ("Red Devil" lye) with 1-Pint of HOT Water. Stir well. Slowly add this solution to the wine jug, then cap the jug. Gently tilt the wine jug back and forth for 1 full minute to mix the contents.
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Nonpolar Extraction: Add 200ml of (Ace Hardware)VM&P Naptha to the wine jug, then cap the jug. Gently tilt the wine jug back and forth for 3 full minutes to mix the contents. Allow the jug to sit undisturbed on a table for 3 hours. There should now be two layers visible in the jug, a lower dark one and a smaller clear one on top. Use a glass turkey baster to suck up the top layer into a pint mason jar. Be careful not to suck up any of the lower brown/black layer into the mason jar.
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Freeze-precipitation/wash: place the sealed mason jar in a FREEZER for 3 days to precipitate the crystals. Prepare a filter setup by placing a funnel into a quart mason jar and putting a small coffee filter paper into the funnel. Shake the naptha in the mason jar strongly to stir up all the crystals at the bottom and quickly pour while still very cold into the funnel for filtering. Impure yellow-white DMT crystals will be seen on the coffee filter paper. Allow the crystals to completely dry out on the filter paper in the funnel. Chill a bottle of NON-SOAPY clear Ammonium Hydroxide(Ace Hardware Janitorial Strength Ammonia) in a refrigerator. Slowly pour 35ml of the cold ammonia over the crystals (still in the filter paper) to wash them. Remove the filter paper from the funnel, spread it out flat and allow the crystals to COMPLETELY dry out. You will now have 2-1/2 grams of white crystal DMT. Mix it with some parsley and smoke a little in your favorite pipe!

(chilled ammonia updated 4 aug 05 loki)

------UPDATE! Added june 8:

Here are some tips for improving the yield:
#1 Grind the rootbark up to 1mm diameter or smaller. Finer is better.
#2 Use three water-vinegar extractions rather than two. Divide up the water-vinegar mix so that you roughly use 50% for the first extraction, 25% for the second, and 25% for the third extraction. After the last extraction press out the fiber to squeeze the last bit of liquid from it.
#3 Basify to a ph of 13. If you don't have ph papers, basify till it turns black, then add an additional 25% of whatever amount of basification solution you used. This is to guarantee that you're at a ph of 13. The brown foam you see floating on top of the basified extract after tilting the jug should flatten out to a thickness of no more than 1/2" after 45 minutes or so if you've used enough lye. Add a bit more lye and re-tilt if it's thicker than that.
#4 Naptha: the freeze-precipitation technique is a double-edged sword. Very convenient and high quality, but highly dependent upon knowing the approximate amount of DMT expected to be precipitated. If you use too much naptha, then only a little bit precipitates out. If you use too little, then it doesn't extract it all out of solution. It is the simplest case of recrystalization. The best way using it if you aren't very sure of the yield is to use a slight excess to extract, then evaporate it down to 10% of the original volume. THEN freeze it. This will pretty much guarantee excellent results. For example: For a pound of rootbark use 500 milliliters of naptha to extract. Then evaporate it down to 50 milliliters. Then freeze it and filter out the crystals. By the way, you must very quickly filter it within a minute or two after removal from the freezer so it doesn't have any time to warm up. And your freezer can't be marginally cold. If it doesn't freeze ice cream HARD,then it isn't cold enough. -20C is about where it should be.
#5 Washing: Be sure that the crystals are absolutely DRY before washing. An alternative to the ammonia-water wash is to use 25 milliliters of ICE COLD distilled water to wash.
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Re: Need advise on ayahuasca. [Re: Ngalyod]
    #5786081 - 06/24/06 08:14 AM (17 years, 7 months ago)

Shit fire and save the matches dude!!! Thats some wild shit!!

How much of the crystals is a dose? Do you freebase it? Or smoke it with some weed?


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Re: Need advise on ayahuasca. [Re: phungi]
    #5786361 - 06/24/06 11:26 AM (17 years, 7 months ago)

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phungi said:
Thanx jefferson, thats some decent advise. I had considered it. But my problem is making damn sure that what I am getting is the genuine article. And I don't know any "trusted" DMT dealers. Buying it from some guy at a concert seems very dubious to me.




your right. and its a good possibility that what the guy at the concert was selling was 5-meo-DMT and not DMT. its also possible that it was real, who knows.

this is why you should just extract it from the root bark yourself. its not very hard at all


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Re: Need advise on ayahuasca. [Re: phungi]
    #5786384 - 06/24/06 11:36 AM (17 years, 7 months ago)

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Shit fire and save the matches dude!!! Thats some wild shit!!

How much of the crystals is a dose? Do you freebase it? Or smoke it with some weed?




50-60mg.

you need a scale. not because of any danger of overdosing, but because of how easy it is to UNDER-dose. theres a huge difference between a weak DMT trip and a real one. and the difference in DMT can only be 10 mg or so. also, the crystals produced by the freeze precipitation in that tek (marsofold tek) are very light and fluffy. looks like more than it is.

it can be freebased or smoked on a carrier herb. I'd suggest smoking it in a pipe with a carrier herb your first time (and in general, really). I'd suggest something inactive like parsely, not weed (so you can see what DMT is all about by itself).

basically, weigh out your dose. put a thin layer of parsely in the bottom of the pipe. spread your crystals evenly on the parsely. then add another thin layer on top of the DMT.

the with the lighter held around a half an inch or an inch above the parsely, inhale slowly to melt the DMT. you will not get a hit. then exhale and inlahe, allowing the flame to lightly touch the top layer of parsely. take as many BIG hits as you can, as quick as you can, holding each 10-15 seconds. it actually helps to have a freind literally force you to keep going. the smoke is quite harsh and after a hit or two the effects can come on strong. after 3 or 4 good hits, sit back, close your eyes and prepare to be absolutely amazed.


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