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Should we even be questioning everything?
#5780977 - 06/22/06 04:21 PM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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This is just a recent cumulation of thoughts...sorry if it makes no sense .
When I sit and think about what I am, what life is, what "is" is, I feel like it means less to me. When you try to get to the root of life, life no longer becomes important. You know what I mean? When I'm alone, mostly before going to sleep or just thinking to myself, I question everything. I'll sit on the bench on a cigarette break at work and watch the world in front of me, as if I'm the only one sitting and asking myself these questions.
I guess what I'm trying to say is, it's amazing how everybody in this world continues to follow their society and not stray into the type of thinking I'm talking about. We're so comfortable in our world, it's all we know, yet we have no idea how it got here or what the point of it is. Out of every possible outcome, everything ended up like this, right here, right now. What if there was nothing? Can there even be nothing? Even the idea of nothing is something...I don't get it
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Re: Should we even be questioning everything? [Re: JonPathetic]
#5781197 - 06/22/06 05:35 PM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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i can tell you are an old soul. you seem like a very contemplative person who is constantly questioning everything about life, existence, this universes, this world etc. well your not alone. i think about that kind of stuff every day of my life, every minute of my life. because i am an old soul just as you are. Ne way, should we be questioning everything? YES you should always question everything. that is the only way to get smarter, more knowledgable and wiser. that is an aspect of life, to learn as much as you can befor you pass away. by constanlty questioning everything and trying to make sense of everything, you can only do your self, good. i know exaclty how you think by first impression, you think life is just absolutely amazing and you wonder every day just why your here...why is anything here, how did it all get here, whats the point of it all. you have a gift from god and there is a reason why you Question so much, its because he wants you to. he has a special plan for you, a mission, whatever you want to call it. search for it and always always question. thats what i do, and if you just truly believe that you have a profound purpose for your existence, and you quest for that discoverery, you will eventually find it. god works in mysterious ways
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Re: Should we even be questioning everything? [Re: Newbie]
#5781315 - 06/22/06 06:14 PM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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What hoopershroomer said and i also wanted to add something to what you said,
Yes, there can be nothing. As long as there is everything, there will always be nothing. The two are inseparable because they are one and the same.
The reason why this basic knowledge is misunderstood is because our culture has twisted the meaning by dividing the two linguistically. We have learned to associate everything with something that is positive, whereas nothing is generally perceived to be something undesirable. And this is where culture is mistaken. How can one perceive everything/nothing as something? It is not possible. Something only exists as some-thing-that-is-defined in relation to some-thing else. Every-thing is No-thing because both terms have the same meaning. They point to no particular thing. They encompass all.
Can there even be nothing?
My answer, yes, but only if everything exists. 
Peace and Love my friend.
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Re: Should we even be questioning everything? [Re: hoopershroomer]
#5781323 - 06/22/06 06:17 PM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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most of the people, that you think are doing nothing, are infact doing something. plenty of people are dying everyday so that you can appreciate your lack of nothing.
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Re: Should we even be questioning everything? [Re: Newbie]
#5781365 - 06/22/06 06:29 PM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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NewbieShroomie said: When you try to get to the root of life, life no longer becomes important. You know what I mean?
Not really, honestly. 
The more one begins to understand reality, to realize its nature, then life naturally acquires more meaning and purpose. I guess it depends on what you are representing with the word "important"...
Are you stating that, with more perspective on the nature of life and reality, the day-to-day activities and aspects of one's life situation do not seem so important? If that is what you are stating, then I understand what you are referring to. 
I believe this might be the result of an identity that your mind maintains through thinking losing that which powers it - focus, energy, awareness. One's mind has been sapping one's state of being and investing that awareness into its own, conceptual identity and purpose. When one begins to center in one's being, and to more directly perceive reality in the moment, then the mind does not use awareness... awareness utilizes the mind, if you see what I mean.
Ultimately, your mind has defined a limited sense of identity for yourself, and when you reflect more deeply and intuitively on the nature of life and reality, one's perspective expands. Suddenly, one is aware of more than the operations of the mind and the abstract illusions that it is casting, and these illusions do not seem as real as they once were. 
Do you understand what I'm proposing? If you do, and this is kind of what you were talking about, then simply realize that, in bringing awareness into one's state of being, one's total experience of reality in this here and now moment, one is entirely fufilled. One can now consciously choose what activities they wish to engage in, and will be fully immersed in the activity, the experience of interacting in a system, as a part of a system that is unbelievably vast and deep, but yet entirely interconnected and real.
Embrace the increased sense of awareness and being, the more encompassing perspective on the matter, and choose how you wish to behave, in accordance with your preferences. Oppurtunity is everywhere, so seize it, and fully experience it! 
 Peace.
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Re: Should we even be questioning everything? [Re: fireworks_god]
#5781805 - 06/22/06 08:15 PM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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Yeah, a nothing really does imply a something. And a something implies a something else. Questioning things is grand, it takes what you're getting from reality and puts your own spin on it. To simply accept any given thing is to ignore the value of your own mind. So I'd say yeah, for sure one ought to question everything...
Just don't do it all the time. There are times when one's brain works itself all into a tizzy contemplating and doubting and pondering when it'll get so overwhelmed you can't tell your left from your right or your thumb from the sun. I hold this bafflement to be a far cry closer to the truth about reality than any limited concept our limited minds will ever manage to hold. But if you ask your all-consuming confusion a question, a limited question, you'll be back to the limited answers that are all your own mind can come up with.
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Re: Should we even be questioning everything? [Re: Panoramix]
#5782690 - 06/23/06 01:00 AM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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Sagitarius.
Nothing doesn't exist, nor does it not exist, or neither, both or otherwise.
-------------------- The argent messenger of truth beyond truth, the antithesis of life, cruel and bleak as interstellar space, pulseless and frozen as absolute zero, dazzling with the frost of irrefragable logic and unforgettable fact.

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Re: Should we even be questioning everything? [Re: slaphappy]
#5782912 - 06/23/06 03:16 AM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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why ask why? never say never! there many pretty words around here(everywhere), even pictures too but life is not a storybook.
theese 3 phrase are all the same by their paradoxical meaning, i dont know how to call them cuz my lack of english...sorry...but words are limited...or just very slow....
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Re: Should we even be questioning everything? [Re: fireworks_god]
#5783000 - 06/23/06 04:38 AM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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fireworks_god said:
...Are you stating that, with more perspective on the nature of life and reality, the day-to-day activities and aspects of one's life situation do not seem so important?...
Yeah, that's what I mean. Life doesn't become unimportant, but...easier...for lack of a better word. It's like no matter what is going on in my life, good or bad, there's always something more important happening, that's bigger than my current situation. This is so hard to translate from neurons to english, but do you understand what I'm saying?
Hoopershroomer hit it right on the head too. I only disagree with the "god" part. God to me is reality and everything I previously mentioned. I don't even like to put it into one word [god] because to me that's implying a single entity, where god should be infinite. That being said, I don't feel there's a plan for me. Reality is just possibility, and I don't see how possibilty could plan...
My philosophy is just live...make the best of every situation and take what's dealt. The only way to die happy is to die without regret. It's a simple outlook on life, yet a very difficult one to keep consistent.
Edited by Newbie (06/23/06 04:40 AM)
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Re: Should we even be questioning everything? [Re: Newbie]
#5783084 - 06/23/06 06:23 AM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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NewbieShroomie your two posts in this thread sound so much like dialogue from my own thinking it's frightening!
When we focus our attention on complicated mathematical formulas and advanced algebra, the possibilities are endless, and you can keep going until it makes your head spin... and suddenly basic 5 + 5 doesn't seem so important any more, or should i say, appears dwarfed by the complexity of what you're currently contemplating.
It doesn't make 5 + 5 any less significant though. This basic maths is something we are familiar with and already have a firm grasp upon, but it can seem like a trivial detail when we're looking at the intricacy of the big picture.
Im sorry if that was a crap metaphor but as you say, these ideas are difficult to convey from one person's reality to the next 
We can keep going until we pickle our brains with all this algebra, and we will never be able to entirely understand it all, but the more we question the more we learn.
I find its good to try and keep a balance... question, think, learn, repeat - but make sure you step outside, take a breather and simply enjoy the sunshine once in a while eh!
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Re: Should we even be questioning everything? [Re: Newbie]
#5783179 - 06/23/06 08:13 AM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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ah! tons of great commentary here!
just note that you still follow these ways of society. the catch is if you actually care enough to look into the system and see why it is fucked, rather than only observing that it's fucked.
start reading the ins and outs of how different systems come about and why they are still in place. it is not enough to just see! As abbie hoffman once put it "once you do lsd, you realize the only reality is action!"
it looks as though others aren't thinking, they are! they might be doing what you're doing which is just looking! I'm not criticising at all, but if any of you feel this way (not just the original poster) go out and find out why everything is the way it is!
only through this can you then try to work within the system to bring about change. you might find an interest in some field that you will have a passion for! there is so much to do!!!
if interested, look up some of these people
Amartya Sen Noam Chomsky Abbie Hoffman Kurt Vonnegut (yes he's a fiction write but his books are great for social and philisophical commentary) Vandana Shiva
just to name a few!
even if everything is an illusion, doesn't mean that the you can't still play the game! good luck in your travels
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Re: Should we even be questioning everything? [Re: kaiowas]
#5783252 - 06/23/06 09:02 AM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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kaiowas said:
...even if everything is an illusion, doesn't mean that the you can't still play the game! good luck in your travels
That gave me chills reading that...it's pretty much what I was trying to say. Kind of like, "Fuck it...I don't know what this is but let's do it!"
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