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phungi
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redgreenvines said:
i.e. magic circles and pentagrams limit nothing - all of life rushes through like a busy railway station. all powered by association and abstraction.
So little faith!! Magic circles limit EVERYTHING!! However I do see your point. I have found Mushrooms to be very helpful within the circle, for divination of a certian situation, or for getting visions and communing with spirits. My wife also feels the same way about the Shrooms. I was thinking that I could control (or semi-control) a visit with the Lady of the Salvia that I have read so much about, I suspect that She is another expression of the Goddess. I am curious to find out. But you know the old sayin...curiousity killed the cat, (but I'm no pussy!!!) 
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Re: Try Salvia?? [Re: phungi]
#5783093 - 06/23/06 06:32 AM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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what goes 'round comes 'round - nature of the circle symbolic of procession of time, like matryoska (russian dolls)
you are in your own skin in your own skin in your own skin the circle reminds you of this expansion illusion.
but that metaphorical lady knows no limits. control is fallacy - even a proxy of control is fallacy.
I am looking forwards to your report have phun
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Re: Try Salvia?? [Re: phungi]
#5783139 - 06/23/06 07:25 AM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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Take one, good hit of x20 extract and you will find yourself non-existent. What will be left? Who will be the observer? What will you see when you and whole world is gone? I felt like dead-man that journeyed to the Heaven.
If any of your daemons stop you from entering then Salvia will be quite gentle. You will be shocked but you won't freak out. Probably 
P.S. For me 2 hits of x15 extract was enough to launch me on trip level 5. Beyond that is only amnesia, so why to even bother with stronger things? If you won't get there on this then you are not ready. It's more about spiritual readiness then dosage. Just read who and how write their trip rapports...
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phungi
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Re: Try Salvia?? [Re: Kras]
#5783144 - 06/23/06 07:37 AM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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I got it. I understand what you are saying about readiness.
When I experienced a lvl 5 on shrooms it was totally unexpected and the doseage was not that much.
The open-ness of my spirit is what facilitated the ego loss and the lvl 5 experience, I believe.
I have no intentions of approaching the Diviners Sage with anything but respect....and I will try to keep my expectations to a minimum.
After reading so many salvia trip reports though its hard not to form some expectations. You know what I mean?
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Re: Try Salvia?? [Re: phungi]
#5783222 - 06/23/06 08:36 AM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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We got some 10x sometime last year. Didn't even make it through my second hit, I forgot why I was holding the water bong in my hand and the magic began.
I don't like reading other people's reports because most people seem to say they smoke a bowl of salvia, when in reality you only need two hits of 10, or one hit of 20 (to avoid the damage of not making it through second hit).
Although everyone's different, and with a little discretion added with this statement mind you, I think everyone should try salvia at least once. You don't even have to do high doses, just take a glimpse into the salvia world.
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deadheadjpc2000
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The concentration (X) just makes it so you use less. It takes a few times, using the same strength, to get it right. Level 5 (amnesia) is kinda pointless, and easily reached with the higher X's. The key is to find the correct method/dose to reach level 3+, possibly sliding into 4. Salvia is not for most people. It can be scary as hell, and most who try it won't try it again. For those She lets into her world, a valueable ally and teacher awaits!! Peace and safe journey to all
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phungi
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cool. I'll continue my research for a while before dancing with the salvia.
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Re: Try Salvia?? [Re: phungi]
#5784140 - 06/23/06 03:19 PM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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Start with low doses ( non-breakthru ) to get a feel for her. One good toke with a hot flame of 10x on a pile the size of a grain of rice worked as an intro for me. But people's sensitivity is always different. And wait for it. It takes a minute or so to hit. You can always increase your dosage on the next try. The Rise and Split happens so quietly and quick, you hardly have time to notice. Before you realize you might be feeling something, you are already gone!! Pinned and in another world.
Take your time, research and learn, and start slow and low. Peace
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phungi
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Always a pleasure to listen to your even-headed advise there deadhead. Thats exactly what I will do, slow and low.
Anything that you could add to set my wifes mind at ease? She would be my babysitter, or I guess I could get my brother.
Peace, Phungi
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Re: Try Salvia?? [Re: phungi]
#5784303 - 06/23/06 04:23 PM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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Sagewisdom.org/usersguide.html has a page that's full of info. Also included is a section for the sitter. It's best to have a sitter who is sxperienced in salvia. So just include your wife as you learn. My wife and I have an agreement- I can take whatever I want,as much as I want, as long as I take it in front of her.I have kept her in the loop as far as info goes, and she has agreed to sit for me when I need one. She has experience and knowledge, although she has not taken salvia. Doesn't appeal to her. She is also a R.N., and keeps me safe when I'm "out there". The most important part of chosing a sitter is trust. Do you trust this person to not fuck with you, but be reassuring and calm, and to keep your best intrests above all else while you are tripping? Your wife sounds like a good choice, if she's willing... I have started low, worked my way up, and now take Grate pride/pleasure in propogating this beautiful plant. Good Luck and Peace
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Damn dude!!! Right on. Your wife sounds cool as hell.
Yea my wife is the best and I trust her completely, she just worries that I'm going to melt my mind 
We have had some very beautiful experiences together with the Sacred Mushrooms, and she has baby-sat for me on my own solo Mushroom journeys.
Just reading some of the trip reports on the salvia freaked her out and she said "you don't need to take it that far". Although she was present during my ego-loss on Mushrooms. Some people make salvia sound even more intense.
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deadheadjpc2000 said: Just use waaay less of the 40x, and burn it hot!! Keep inhaling after you think you got it all. Think .02-.04 gram doses. I usaully use 20x, and have tried 40x. I have a gram of 80x just because. Peace and safe journey to all
I didn't even know there was an 80x. Man somone getting a hold of that and not know what they are doing could be devistating. 80x!!!!! Have you tried it? Oh and do tell of 40x im very curious of that level my highest was a 25x and it was pretty nuts. Again.. we smoke large bowls probably way larger than normal
I used 80X once.... Crawling around in a jungle I was.
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It comes down to the amount of material you want to smoke. Check it, G:
Based upon 1 gram 1X (whole leaf)= 1 "dose" then
1/5th of 5X= .2 gram 1/10th of 10X= .1 gram 1/20th of 20X=.05 gram 1/40th of 40X=.025 gram 1/80th of 80X=.0125 gram
As you can see, you need a fuckin' accurate scale in order to get the correct average dose when dealing with the higher extractions. That's how people who try to be cool and take "some of the 40X that I just got, Dude!! Whoa, fucked me up!!" As you can bet they took more than .05 grams!! It's not the X, it's the mindset before partaking, the correct amount for the strength of extract, and the method used. Just my .02 And, yes, my wife is my best friend!! Peace
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I use stronger extracts for stronger experiences. not so I don't have to smoke as much.
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Salvia Divinorum is a very spiritual plant, but you may find you feel hot, paranoid and dirty on it. I've had 2 and 1/2 bad experiences with it and 1/2 good. I did it because I believe in those spiritually... I found out stuff about nature and god: nature is dying and god want's it to stop (that's the impression I got).
-------------------- I believe with the advent of acid we discovered new way to think and it had to do with piecing together new thoughts of mind. Why is it that people think it's so evil? What is it about it that there is scares people so deeply? Because they are afraid that there is more to reality than they have ever confronted. That there are doors that they're afraid to go in and they don't want us to go in there either because if we go in, there we might learn something that they don't know. And that makes us a little out of their control.
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Re: Try Salvia?? [Re: colimon]
#5785985 - 06/24/06 04:17 AM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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It's not always about approach, colimon. Maybe it's not your time. I've had an awesome experience and I've heard "you are not ready".
phugi: for me Salvia is far cleaner then mushroom trip. On typical psychedelics you will mess a lot with your ego, problems, life, etc. On Salvia it's all gone. Besides if you are not ready then She won't fuck you up. Those bad trips are not pleasant but when you are trapped in your ego on LSD or Cacti it can be far more damaging to your psyche. Your women don't have to worry. My did but after seeing what happened on my Journey she was even thinking about giving it a try.
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Re: Try Salvia?? [Re: Kras]
#5786008 - 06/24/06 04:59 AM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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5 minutes just 5 minutes
not enough time to screw up too badly no matter how wrong you go. not enough time to create a terrible nightmare for your sitter either.
on the good side, well I wait your report.
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It may be a while before I go on my jouney. But when I do I will come on the board and report.
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