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phungi
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Try Salvia??
#5780936 - 06/22/06 04:00 PM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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high all. First of all I would like to say that I/we don't use entheogens lightly, or just for a party.
With that in mind, I was considering using some salvia divinorum for spiritual and visionary purposes.
I am fishing for advise and counsel. From seekers more experienced than me. Thanx....Phungi.
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Re: Try Salvia?? [Re: phungi]
#5781033 - 06/22/06 04:38 PM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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I wouldnt recommend it. Unless you have researched (I'm sure you have)at www.erowid.org. It is pretty intense. It blows shrooms out of the water. It is more comparable to a HIGH dose on orange sunshine lsd pills (not for beginners). If you descide to try it I wouldnt go over 5x extract. At 20x+ I was seeing the room melt.
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Re: Try Salvia?? [Re: phungi]
#5781042 - 06/22/06 04:41 PM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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If you're looking to do soul searching, let me suggest you cultivate some salvia. You can get s. divinorum on ebay for pretty cheap, and if you help take care of the good lady, she will be much kinder to you in return.
Other than that, I reccomend you get a good spotter who is able to hold you down if need be. I've experienced a full mind/body disconnect, and if I hadn't had a 300lb hulk to keep me pinned I probobly would've ended up running out into traffic.
Finally, don't fight anything that comes into your head. Be a passive observer and learn. Unlike most other hallucinogens salvia doesn't tend to make you feel happy, and some of the things you might see will scare the living piss out of you. But it will teach you many, many things.
Good journeys, and be safe.
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Re: Try Salvia?? [Re: wiggles]
#5781175 - 06/22/06 05:26 PM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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Well let me tell you about my first experience with salvia. My friends and I seem to be similar as yourself. We use ethos for an experience purpose. Anyways back to my first time with salvia.
My first time I did 15x extract. I did not fully realize just how strong this plant is. I went into it expecting to feel a strong trip but, I didn't realize just how strong it was going to be.
Our first mistake was we did it with the lights on. Salvia makes your eyes very sensitive to light. The light seems to suck everything towards it. Also we had music playing. Not sure how others feel about music while using salvia but for me it almost adds anxiety no matter how chill it is.
Well here is what we did. We loaded a large bowl with the dried extract. Probably too much extract. We smoked from a water bong with ice in it and used a torch lighter to burn it.
Ok so I take the bong and completly burn as much of the bowl as possible in one rip. Then I held the hit as long as humanly possible. The very second... I mean the second I exhaled I was ripped from reality. I stood straight up (was sitting indian style) and looked over at my friends. They were both standing on either side of a light on the wall. When I looked at them all I could see was rainbow colors everywhere and thier heads and body were being sucked into the light. Next thing I know I feel as if the light behind me is sucking me into it. I feel as if I have to get away and in my head i hear singing that sounds like a woman or children saying ding, dong here it comes, you will not make it out alive. I found out later that my friends had put on the doors no one here gets out alive while i was tripping. Not a good idea.
Let me tell you I have tripped many times over a few hundred times and nothing has totally ripped me from this world like salvia. I did come to enjoy it once i was able to better control it and kind knew what to expect (you never know whats coming when you smoke salvia at high levels).
So if you do decide to do it becareful make sure you have sober sitters and I would reccomend doing in darkness or low lighting in silence. Maybe start out at lower doses.
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I'd just like to share that I recently smoked some of this mysterious extract herb and unfortunately didnt get as hard tripped as I've read others have, actually, Im still feeling the effects as we speak, but it was no mind blowing experience...I'd prefer to say it was more like "mind bending"....as if I could walk up the sides of walls, though never have I been instantanously high like that before (no needles).
Perhaps the 10x extract wasnt made properly, or that Im a tolerant toad. I'd hate to read people over exagerating the effects and go kill the fun of it in everyone's opinion, if you know what Im talking about (legislation)..Word seems to have already spread about this and in my opinion, its very tolerable , not dangerous...though, when my uncle slammed a toke of it, he was hanging backwards off his chair mumbling incoherant words and trying to laugh. It was actually quite funny...Very different feeling, very unique. I got mostley a heavy gravitational feed and sorta slowed me down some made it difficult to focus on specific things...I dont see myself getting heavy into it though. I dont like this dizzyness much and there was no trancient visual awarness, though I might have to read up on the cultural aspects of this a bit more, perhaps im missing somthing.
Good Luck anywayz
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Re: Try Salvia?? [Re: WIZOLZ]
#5781591 - 06/22/06 07:23 PM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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Hey everybody, thanx for the great replies.  I think that I will carefully consider how to proceed. I already told the chick at the head shop to order me some of the 10x stuff, and was planning to use it for a Full Moon ritual on July 11th (of course). My wife will be with me and she won't smoke any this time. When the salvia wears off we will both take our Sacramental Shrooms for the continuation of the ritual.
The dude at another head shop that I went to had bags of 40x salvia for $40 but I passed on it cause of what I've read on erowid. 10x should be strong enough for my purposes. Thanx agian for the responses. 
Phungi
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Re: Try Salvia?? [Re: phungi]
#5781601 - 06/22/06 07:26 PM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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wow 40x... I couldn't imagin what that would be like. 10x is a pretty good starting place. Not too strong but strong enough for you to get the idea of how powerfull it really is. I think when you get 15x and higher it gets very intense. Atleast in my experiences it has been
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Re: Try Salvia?? [Re: phungi]
#5781660 - 06/22/06 07:37 PM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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yea wiggles, I can see how growing her would be much more spiritual than just buying/smoking, I will look into it, I do like to garden;), but I don't think that I could produce any usable material before July 11th...lol.
How would one concentrate the potency of plant material that he cultivated himself? Any-body know?
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phungi
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Quote:
TrippinTeddy said: wow 40x... I couldn't imagin what that would be like. 10x is a pretty good starting place. Not too strong but strong enough for you to get the idea of how powerfull it really is. I think when you get 15x and higher it gets very intense. Atleast in my experiences it has been
Thats why I passed on the 40x shit. I don't want my first time to give me heart failure 
On the other hand, maybe a guy could just take a really, really, tiny, tiny toke of the 40x and not go insane.
Anyone on here ever smoked 40x or close to it?
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Re: Try Salvia?? [Re: phungi]
#5781738 - 06/22/06 07:54 PM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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shit i have tried like 5 times with 5x and no luck! im going to try 40x!
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Just use waaay less of the 40x, and burn it hot!! Keep inhaling after you think you got it all. Think .02-.04 gram doses. I usaully use 20x, and have tried 40x. I have a gram of 80x just because. Peace and safe journey to all
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deadheadjpc2000 said: Just use waaay less of the 40x, and burn it hot!! Keep inhaling after you think you got it all. Think .02-.04 gram doses. I usaully use 20x, and have tried 40x. I have a gram of 80x just because. Peace and safe journey to all
I didn't even know there was an 80x. Man somone getting a hold of that and not know what they are doing could be devistating. 80x!!!!! Have you tried it? Oh and do tell of 40x im very curious of that level my highest was a 25x and it was pretty nuts. Again.. we smoke large bowls probably way larger than normal
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phungi
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Yea deadhead, I wanna hear about the 40x trip!!! And If you have smoked any of the 80x please do tell. My wife is reading some of this shit and telling me NO! Not to do it! Hmmmm......have to listen to my goddess. What do you guys think? I'm a rational man 
entheogens and shamanism intrigue me and I like to push the envelope, my wife not as much. Although she loves the shrooms, for religious use only.
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Re: Try Salvia?? [Re: phungi]
#5781859 - 06/22/06 08:33 PM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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i have heard of like 180x or maybe it was just 120 but yea i read that somewhere on this site
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I'm sure that salvia chooses those who should experience those... and disappoint (or frightens) who shouldn't. For me she was far more powerful than mushrooms or anything else I've tried. When you are tripping VERY hard on psychedelics everything melts, including your identity. On salvia - it's far beyond that point. It's where visions kick in! Good luck!
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Re: Try Salvia?? [Re: Kras]
#5781917 - 06/22/06 08:56 PM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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stupid illegalizing movement...
what do think is happening?...
"Well, officer, This drive was starting to bore me, so I decided to take a few hits of salvia. I really DID NOT THINK it would be sooo powerful...well i guess all those kids my car molested while i was being a terrorist and treasant were real huh? wow, what a trip!"
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Re: Try Salvia?? [Re: AA2277]
#5782027 - 06/22/06 09:35 PM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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has anyone mixed slavia with weed?
i've done 5x and straight leaves before without any psychedelic effects, just a weed-like stoning. i heard a story from a guy who did one hit of 10x and everything turned into static (like on television) and he spent his entire trip making rectangles in the air with his fingers.
i think i want to try salvia with weed and shrooms. make it an ultimate experience.
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Re: Try Salvia?? [Re: phungi]
#5782059 - 06/22/06 09:45 PM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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phungi said: My wife is reading some of this shit and telling me NO! Not to do it! Hmmmm......have to listen to my goddess. What do you guys think? I'm a rational man 
entheogens and shamanism intrigue me and I like to push the envelope, my wife not as much. Although she loves the shrooms, for religious use only.
Yes it does seem frightening but, ultimately I'm glad that I did experience salvia. I really don't know if you want to do it before a mushroom trip though. You may not want to eat the mushrooms after you experience it. The good thing about salvia is if you don't enjoy it or are frightened, it will all be over in 5-15 minutes. So there isn't much risk at trying it.
If you want the experenice then I say go for it. I don't think you will want to do it on a night that you want to be deep and meaningful unless you do it at the end of the night. Maybe start the night with your mushrooms and if you feel moved to meet lady salvia then do it.
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phungi
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Thanx Teddy, that sound like good advise.
Our Full Moon rituals are always meaningful, and a good time for samcramental shrooms. I will probably take your advise and experience the Lady Salvia on another occasion....if my wife allows it.
Still waiting to hear about that 40x salvia trip....or the 80x!!!!!
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Re: Try Salvia?? [Re: phungi]
#5782937 - 06/23/06 03:33 AM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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I am not sure how to put this: while ritual and spiritual set-ups are fine to tame the beast. the salvia opportunity is different, the sudden shift can leave you resonating - it moves to a rhythm that is out of all life all at once.
i.e. magic circles and pentagrams limit nothing - all of life rushes through like a busy railway station. all powered by association and abstraction.
proceed gently. no expectations. keep beginning to relax. that works for pretty much whatever ensues.
the higher powered extracts 20x and up, usually lead to mistakes in dosage since each person's succeptibility may be different, and to complicate matters there is nearly no good way to measure hits (natural variance of the salvinorin content).
too much is just like getting stuck in one mental mode for 5 minutes or so. some report screaming for 5 minutes - with no recollection, some report wandering mindlessly seeking assistance. the moderate dosages are interesting.
good luck finding a good measure.
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