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trentallica
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newbies first pins . . . . PICS
#5780889 - 06/22/06 03:43 PM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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its been a rough road, but on my 3rd attempt i now have some pins. i have found and corrected many mistakes, and i now have a much better game plan for my next casing which ill be starting the jars for in a few days . my casing is 9" X 11" cased with 50/50+ last night i counted 161 pins. ive stopped counting, but i have noticed that the number of new pins have slowed down.
amazonian 2nd day of pinning

same on 3rd day
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Re: newbies first pins . . . . PICS [Re: trentallica]
#5780913 - 06/22/06 03:51 PM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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Congratulations!
I think I talked with you a couple of weeks ago on a thread that was shut down. I'm glad to see that you pulled it off. My cakes have been in the grow chamber for about 5 days and the only thing I'm gettin' is bruising and myc piss. I'm all out of ideas. If I don't get pins in the next two weeks I'm throwin' out the cakes and starting over.
But enough about me:
What all did you change, Trentallica?
Have you tried rice cakes before with little or no success?
You said this is your third attempt. Did you get any fruits with your previous two attempts.
I'm around the same area as you, and any sort of tips you could give me for growing in a state with no air or humidity would be more than appreciated.
Congrats again!
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Re: newbies first pins . . . . PICS [Re: faceyneck]
#5780935 - 06/22/06 03:59 PM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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nice job trent. In the future you should put something between your case and the alluminum foil or use something totally different, it has been proven that the myc eats those pans so it just can not be good in the long run. GJ and GL with your future studies
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trentallica
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Re: newbies first pins . . . . PICS [Re: kilroy]
#5780949 - 06/22/06 04:06 PM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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i did not know that about the foil. im moving to platic mono tubs next time. as a matter of fact i just cased one mono tub last night.
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trentallica
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Re: newbies first pins . . . . PICS [Re: trentallica]
#5780986 - 06/22/06 04:23 PM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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faceyneck: on day 9 of this casing as well as day 10 of my cakes( the cakes were started one day before the casing) i readjusted my fresh air system. i have some medical device set up on the same timer as my humidifier and i think it was just too mush for my fruiting chamber (FC). i still use the same device, but i just turn it on by hand a few times a day. that same day i re-dunked the cakes and the casing in the frig for 24 hours. then put back in FC. 5 days latter i had pins on my casing but the cakes are still a bust. my first attempt failed due to improper temps and humidity conditions. my 2nd are those cakes i mentioned. my 3rd is the casing in the pics. for my 4th attempt i have been turned on to the mono tub tek. if that works pics will follow. as for all my other mistakes go most of those can fall under the category of just trying to take on too much too soon. i had to step back look at what i was doing and refocus my efforts. i still want to do all the other more complicated stuff, but for right now im just concentrating on what i need to.
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Re: newbies first pins . . . . PICS [Re: trentallica]
#5781034 - 06/22/06 04:39 PM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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trentallica said: faceyneck: on day 9 of this casing as well as day 10 of my cakes( the cakes were started one day before the casing) i readjusted my fresh air system. i have some medical device set up on the same timer as my humidifier and i think it was just too mush for my fruiting chamber (FC). i still use the same device, but i just turn it on by hand a few times a day. that same day i re-dunked the cakes and the casing in the frig for 24 hours. then put back in FC. 5 days latter i had pins on my casing but the cakes are still a bust. my first attempt failed due to improper temps and humidity conditions. my 2nd are those cakes i mentioned. my 3rd is the casing in the pics. for my 4th attempt i have been turned on to the mono tub tek. if that works pics will follow. as for all my other mistakes go most of those can fall under the category of just trying to take on too much too soon. i had to step back look at what i was doing and refocus my efforts. i still want to do all the other more complicated stuff, but for right now im just concentrating on what i need to.
Okay, so the cakes didn't work for you at all, but the casing did?
How do you dunk a casing?
Also, you said that you adjusted you FAE setup to just doing it manually a few times a day. Does that mean that you ended up cutting back the amount of fresh air exchange (FAE), or did you increase it?
As for my setup: I have a plastic storage container with 3" of Perlite and an ultrasonic humidifier that I had been turning on every time I fanned the FC, but I think that it was causing the bruising. Do you think I should start all over, dunk and cold shock some of the cakes to see what happens, increase or decrease my FAE or what?
Thanks a LOT for your input. Its great to talk to somebody stuck in the same shitty environment as me, although I think Colorado Springs has hotter women than where I reside .
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Re: newbies first pins . . . . PICS [Re: faceyneck]
#5781388 - 06/22/06 06:37 PM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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faceyneck:
i dunk by placing the cakes in a bowl with lid ( ok my lid was foil). then i feel that with a 2% solution of 3% ho2o. make sure cake is covered by water. for the casing what i did was poke holes on bottom of container then place that container in another container just like it, or just as long as it fits inside the other container that is filled with the ho2o solution ( i used aluminum baking pans). cover and sit for 18 to 36 hours.
i decreased my FAE which in turn caused me to also decrees how mush humidity i was using and still maintain 95 to 99% RH for pinning. ill decrees it again when they are in fruiting mood. I'm not sure when that will be, but I'm sure i remember reading somewhere that pinning last from 3 to 5 days. when i see something that looks like change or the 5 days are up ill drop the RH to 80 to 85% as per my memory of teks i have read.
as for your set up goes I'm really not the guy to ask. I'm like one step ahead of you and i dont think we are using the same kind of FC. mine is a 36" X 22" X 24" box with two tubes going into it. one hooked up to my ultrasonic humidifier with timer ( always being readjusted but mostly once per 11/2 to 3 hours). the other hooked up to a blower of sorts for my FAE. it also use to be on a timer but i stopped that. maybe when i get another timer ill try it again. i have a clear front door for light. i hope to be giving that up for some mono tubs soon. i dont think anyone would recommend less FAE for you, and i dont see how fanning would cause bruising, but i could be wrong. are you picking then up ? you should think about getting a hygrometer to keep track of humidity. most also come with a temp reading so that is cool. you cant just go to the home and garden section and get one though. it had to be able to function in 80 to 100% relative humidity ( RH). most work at something like 20 to 70%. if you cant find an RH range in the description dont get it. if it is made for a humidor( thats what they store cigars in) it wont work for you. if it says its for a sauna then bingo get it. they come in dile or electronic. plan on at lest 20 to $30, or find one on ebay.
you are having trouble getting cakes to pin, so am i. my cakes are 19 days old and i have nothing, so in that regard I'm in the same boat as you. you mentioned perlite. i dont know from experience but i have read that they should not rest directly on the perlite. they should be on a plastic lid or something. if you want to try re-dunking my thoughts are what have you got to lose? i re-dunked and got pinning. if you have several cakes try some and see what happens. have you started any more jars yet? if you are getting itchy about starting fresh have your back up ready. maybe start a new plastic storage container and leave that one alone for a little bit. think about casing thats seems to be working for me better then the cakes.
you asked earlier if i tried BRF jars. yes i did. i found that wild bird seed to be much easier and faster especially if you use a liquid culture.
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Re: newbies first pins . . . . PICS [Re: trentallica]
#5781982 - 06/22/06 09:22 PM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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trentallica said: faceyneck: i dont think anyone would recommend less FAE for you, and i dont see how fanning would cause bruising, but i could be wrong. are you picking then up ?.
No, I'm not picking them up. I don't think the fanning is bruising the cakes, I think moisture from the ultrasonic humidifier is bruising them. The MMGG recommended that the humidifier go through several "filters" in the form of two liter bottles, to catch the larger water droplets that might damage the mycelium. I just plugged my humidifier straight in to the FC.
What did you do?
Does your humidifier go through several "filters" or no?
Also, you said that WBS seems to be working better. Does that mean that you have yet to get cakes to fruit, but your casing is doing well, or you had previously gotten BRF cakes to fruit, but not the WBS?
As far as scale goes: I have the same dimensions in my FC, but not very many cakes. The idea was to upgrade to casings after I at least pulled off BRF cakes once, and having a large FC would allow for easy expansion. At the beginning, I didn't use perlite, and just used the Ultrasonic with two fish bubblers, but the cheap ass timer I bought would malfunction every few days, or anytime I had an event that lasted longer than 7 minutes. If you have recommendations for where to get a reliable event timer, I'd appreciate it. I suppose I can just look on ebay though, for the timer and for an accurate hygrometer (mine supposedly only goes up to 95%, but it is ALWAYS at 95%).
Also, if you're still willing to talk at length about this stuff, would you rather I send you private messages, or continue this thread, or what?
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Re: newbies first pins . . . . PICS [Re: faceyneck]
#5782292 - 06/22/06 10:47 PM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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no i do not filter. i also read that tek your talking about. if i remember the purpose of the pop bottles was to cut down the amount of mist because even on lowest setting they tend to put out a heavy fog. i have a 5/8" plastic hose going straight from humidifier to FC.in my opinion if you feel the fog is too thick just drill a few holes on your hose and let some fog escape before it reaches the FC. i did how ever have a problem with condensation falling out of my hose and splashing everywhere. at first i tried to predict where the splash was going to land, but that was feudal. to solve my problem i put a bend in the hose so that the end was pointed up then drilled a small hole in the bottom of the bend. this way when the condensation trail started falling down my hose it would land in the bend and not make it out the end. with out the hole the bend will fill up with water and block your fog. now with the hold in place you know exactly where the water is going to fall.

im sorry. by better i meant that i get better myc growth and colonization time. the pics i posted are the only pins i have ever grown in my life.
i got all my electronics on eBay, but one of the mods i talked to said that home dePOT has a really nice programmable timer for about 20 to $30. as for myself the timer i found has 15 min settings, so that is the shortest i can go.
this thread dose not bother me at all , but feel free to PM me if you like. if you do PM me though you must include some self nude pics
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trentallica
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Re: newbies first pins . . . . PICS [Re: faceyneck]
#5782310 - 06/22/06 10:52 PM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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just to clearify. my casing that has pins started out as BRF jars, and the non pinning cakes are WBS. that said i still like WBS as oposed to BRF, and i like casing as oposed to cakes.
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Re: newbies first pins . . . . PICS [Re: trentallica]
#5782418 - 06/22/06 11:28 PM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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The damnedest thing happened in between posts with you:
I went to fan my FC after I got home from school, and I had two pins on one of the cakes!
I'll post pictures as soon as possible.
Man, I was so excited I woke up my girlfriend who had like just gone to bed. She didn't share in my enthusiasm.
I, however, am finally feeling like everything isn't fucked with this project. So far, it is only two pins on one cake, but the whole surface of the mycelium is looking really bumpy around the two pins, but really small bumps, like the size of sand grains. I thought that the pins kind of grew out of the fluffy bumps on the sides of the cakes, but I was wrong (not surprising. I seem to be wrong about much of this stuff, even though I read this web site like holy scripture.)
Anyway, I'll take some pics tomorrow and post them on this thread.
How are your pins doing? Are you gonna post more pics?
Also, my two pins at the moment are off white on the "stems" and bright white on the "caps." Is this the same way your pins started out?
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trentallica
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Re: newbies first pins . . . . PICS [Re: faceyneck]
#5783606 - 06/23/06 11:57 AM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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what do you go to school for ?? i just graduated nursing school myself.
right fucking on about your pins man. i know exactly what you mean about the relief of seeing your pins. its like a validation that you did something right. that your not a fucking moron after all. that you can do this shit. when i saw my first pins for the first time my wife was asleep, and not near as into it as i was, so I'm right with you on that one.
different strains will have different looking pins. mine are Amazonian and have a dark reddish brown tips and off white stems. hopely by tonight you should have a few more pins, although we both know that 95% of the rest of today you will be watching your new pins, and looking for new ones. have you named them yet? the first three i saw are now named father, son , and holy spirit.
yes ill keep pics up to date, but you will have to look at my journal to see most of them. ill post pics on the form about two more times as the shrooms enter different stages, but watch my journal for more updates.
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Re: newbies first pins . . . . PICS [Re: trentallica]
#5785207 - 06/23/06 09:47 PM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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I am going to school for a major in philosophy and a minor in music, with primary focus on guitar. My philosophy department sucks, but fortunately I graduate at the end of this year, so I won't have to tolerate their pompous rantings anymore.
Yeah, I was super stoked to see those pins. They have changed quite a lot in color. I wish I took some pictures of them earlier, to compare and contrast, but here is a picture of the two biggest ones:

The pic is shitty because I had just gotten back from the gym when I took it, and I don't have any strength in my limbs at all.
I'll definitely look for your pics in your journal. Also, I hope that your WBS cakes take. I would recommend putting them in a FC with perlite. One of my cakes was put in there directly from the incubator and it has pins on it already, after only five days. I put the cakes directly on top of the perlite, and I think this is a good idea, but we'll have to see if I get mushy shrooms near the base of the cakes like all the perlite teks say.
I suppose that exhausts this thread, however, I think you're just a few posts short of getting a little flame icon next to it, so if you have other things to post or whatever, I'll look on this thread and reply as usual.
Thanks again for all your input. Its been really therapeutic to know that there is someone else in this dry-ass-air-deprived climate that is pulling off newbie-shrooms also.
Cheers, good luck on your cakes, and post other things on this thread if you can think of anything else...
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