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A 3 part question from a first time poster (Sort of long)
    #5780743 - 06/22/06 02:55 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

Hello folks, I'm a first time poster here, but a long time reader. I've done mushrooms once and plan on doing them again in the future but today I've come to you with a question that needs some background explanation.
There have been two times in my life that whilst under the influence I've undergone a very strange phenomenon. It's difficult to explain but here's my best shot:
The first time this happened I had smoked a couple bowls with 3 other friends, and then another bowl of a different bag of weed with just one other friend. Not thinking anything of it we went back to school feeling a perfectly normal high. (I used to go to school high very often after lunch, as all of my afternoon classes were somewhat of a joke. This however, was the first time I went to school high) At this point I had never done any other drugs besides weed and alcohol, except for bunk experiments with weak acid and salvia that didn’t really work all that well. Anyways, I sat down in my class which was working on C++. (Computer programming, everyone has their own computer to work on.) I start to feel really, really overwhelmingly high and put my head down in front of my computer. After this point things become sort of confusing, so I’ll have to put it into two perspectives, what I experienced, and what I did:

Shortly after I put my head down I become overwhelmed with nervous thoughts about getting caught. They raced quicker and quicker and quicker until eventually they became bundled up into the raw emotion of fear instead of a cognitive thought process. I saw nothing except for total blackness and was vaguely aware of the fact that I was moving my hands until finally the voice of one of my friends snapped me back into reality. I looked at them in total confusion as to what just happened, they asked if I was ok and then after mumbling some sort of reply I looked back at my computer screen. At this point I was having visual patterning so strongly that it started to engulf my vision to the point where I couldn’t really see the computer screen. I realized that if my teacher decided to ask me about my C++ program, I wouldn’t even be able to read the code, so I put my head back down and sort of just relaxed and did some deep breathing. A few minutes later I picked my head back up and could see perfectly. I still felt a very strong marijuana high for several more hours.

According to my friends after I put my head down, my arm started to shake and slid off the table, at which point I bolted up and sat up rigidly, looked straight up at the ceiling, and reached out with my hands as if I was trying to cling on to the edge of a cliff repeatedly for about 15 seconds until their voices finally caught my attention. Through some phenomenon nobody in the class noticed the entire ordeal except for my 3 friends.

The first time I did mushrooms I took a high dose (about 1/8th) and although I had basically no visuals I was very far off baseline and during the coming up I experienced an episode very similar to this one. Instead of fear however, my mind simply wandered until I forgot reality existed. Once again I went completely rigid and reached up for the sky making grabbing motions for around 15 seconds until my friends calling my name brought me back. The only thing I remember is a feeling of moving extremely fast before my vision returned instantly. It’s a very confusing and disturbing experience because when you come out of it you have no recollection of what you did, you’re still twisted out on drugs, and everyone is looking at you with confused, terrified looks on their face asking you what’s wrong. Luckily the rest of my trip went wonderfully and without any problems.

My questions are this:

Is it possible that weed alone could have made the first episode happen? I’ve smoked much more bud than this on many occasions and nothing close has ever happened. My friend who shared the one bowl with just me just felt high, and people told him he looked pale. My other two friends were perfectly fine all day.

Any idea what drug could have caused this? I find it very strange that almost the exact same thing happened to me on mushrooms, a drug that you could never possibly lace smoked weed with.

And finally, has something similar to this ever happened to anyone else? My friend said one time he had the feeling of moving very fast and seeing only total blackness but he never went rigid or flailed his arms around.
Thanks in advance for your time; I love your website and your forums and look forward to posting here again.


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Re: A 3 part question from a first time poster (Sort of long) [Re: Psilopsychedelic]
    #5780835 - 06/22/06 03:22 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

That has never happened to me. It sounds like either the weed was laced, or you had some sort of reaction.


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Re: A 3 part question from a first time poster (Sort of long) [Re: Psilopsychedelic]
    #5780848 - 06/22/06 03:25 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

The closest I've ever experienced was having sour milk after getting extremely, extremely baked. We smoked and then went to the store where I grabbed some vanilla milk, and immediately chugged it down. It wasn't til after I realized that the milk had turned sour (damn you munchies!)

Well, I was fine until I started getting a visceral reaction. Then, I started getting kaleidascope vision. Then my heart started pounding so fast that it hurt - good old fashioned anxiety attack. Luckily one of my friends snapped me out of it and got me to control my breathing. I ended up throwing up a few times, and my friend had to drive me home. But all in all I ended up ok. I really didn't remember much the next morning.

In your situation it sounds like the bud may have been laced with something, but with what I have no idea :frown:


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Re: A 3 part question from a first time poster (Sort of long) [Re: wiggles]
    #5780864 - 06/22/06 03:29 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

At the time there was no doubt in my mind that the bud was laced, I just find it very odd that I had the same sort of reaction to an entirely different drug. Ty for the input.


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Re: A 3 part question from a first time poster (Sort of long) [Re: Psilopsychedelic]
    #5780875 - 06/22/06 03:34 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

Well, if you try mush again, make sure your friends are aware of what tends to happen to you. Then I say just relax, and enjoy what happens. You never know when breakthroughs may hit, and having similar experiences makes me think that maybe your mind has its heart set on you opening a certain door. I'd say roll with it, and see what happens. Just make sure you have your friends around in case your body decides to keep itself occupied while your mind is away :smile:

PS: Don't do drugs and go to school. You need to get a good education :-P


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Re: A 3 part question from a first time poster (Sort of long) [Re: Psilopsychedelic]
    #5780895 - 06/22/06 03:46 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

Haha, the title of this post sounds like somebody calling into a radio station.

Ok, pot and mushrooms are both psychedelics and can definitely cause some similar feelings or things in people. Could have been that extra bowl was some nuggets, do you normally smoke high grade pot? If not, then that is probably what did it. Then there is the idea that you get higher in different environments, such as going to school high for the first time.

I think it was probably entirely normal and your weed wasn't in any way laced. What it seems happened is you got too high and then the mushrooms got you too high as well. Maybe not too high, but in some way that you are apparently concerned about.

It is not very strange at all, you should probably do more reading on marijuana, mushrooms, and other psychedelics. This is all there in many writings already on this web site. Take some time to educate yourself before you put these substances into your body.


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Re: A 3 part question from a first time poster (Sort of long) [Re: mecreateme]
    #5780980 - 06/22/06 04:21 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

The weed wasn't any higher grade than we were used to getting, and I've smoked larger quantity of much higher quality bud. I understand what you're getting at by feeling higher in different environments. As far as them both being psychedelic, I tend to be very prone to hallucination. When I'm high,I see fractal, colored patterns everwhere, but nothing has every brought me to close to that feeling again. As far as reasearch, I've literally spent 150+ hours reading every FAQ, article,forum, and trip report I can find with the least bit of intelligence. Upon finding erowid I literally devoured the information on that website on drugs I'd never even think of trying. I probably read about mushrooms every night for almost 6 months before trying them. I only posted this because I've never heard of anything similar to this in any of the trip reports, FAQ's, or anything else I've read.


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Re: A 3 part question from a first time poster (Sort of long) [Re: Psilopsychedelic]
    #5781108 - 06/22/06 05:05 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

Could be something psychological. You may look for information in that direction. I know that back when I was younger and was doing lots of acid I would sometime smoke weed and have anxiety attacks that felt similar to the onset of a trip. I sometimes felt as if my friends had laced the pot as a joke and were out to get me. I became very paranoid and almost started a fight because I thought they were plotting against me. Maybe thats what you suffer from. Some sort of a drug induced anxiety attack or something of that nature.

I have never heard of anything really like your situation before. I do have a friend that is pretty sensitive to psychs and he would sometimes climb trees to get away from dinosaurs. Hes also seems to always see puffins while tripping. Like on the lawn across the street. But I can't remember him ever going into a trance like state, where he blacked out and couldn't remember what just happend.


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Re: A 3 part question from a first time poster (Sort of long) [Re: Psilopsychedelic]
    #5781686 - 06/22/06 07:44 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

I've had similar experiences on 2 occasions and would agree with Wiggles and TrippinTeddy that having an anxiety attack greatly intensified the psychedelic effects.

I had been smoking weed both times this happened and on both occasions I had received very bad news just prior to smoking. Both times I was trying to calm myself down after nearly panicking at the news I received, I was in a state of fear. The last time was in 2004. Not ten minutes after hanging up the phone and breathing deep to settle myself I decided to smoke 1 or 2 bong hits to calm down, no more. I loaded the bong from a 1/4oz I had been smoking from all week. One rip and I was demolished, and more scared. I felt like I was being sucked into a vortex in the room near me that I could faintly see, I was seated but felt that I would fall forward on my face into the vortex. The muscles in my forearms would involuntarily twitch and I almost passed out. My fear was amplified and I tried to stand but couldn't. I sat plastered on the couch for roughly 5 minutes (I think) before I had the ability to move again. The weed was not laced for certain and the quality of it was good but nothing extraordinary. It was the state of my mind that was the factor both times, what ever chemical process that occurs in the brain during a moment of high stress somehow amplifies the psychedelic affect of the drug. I think it is a non-harmful experience but one I prefer not have again. When I'm really agitated or worried I leave psychedelics alone now.


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