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OfflinePortAngeles
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the TRUTH to REALITY
    #5780723 - 06/22/06 02:49 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

this is a paper i whipped up for one of my college classes in about a half hour. I'm looking for some feedback etc.


Society as a whole has structured itself in a way where we are ruled by a single entity. This entity makes all the rules, deciding right from wrong. But what gives people the right to govern others based on the ethics we extracted from an ancient religion? People say church and state are separate, drawing nothing from one another, and yet the people in today’s society are ruled by ideals presented to us by people thousands of years deceased. How can we as sophisticated individuals be led b these people from the grave? Who is to say there is any founding for these beliefs and therefore these laws we are forced to live by day by day?

Our founding for these ideals and principals lies in the viewing of the world around us. People years ago perceived the world around them and upon making these observations decided what was wrong with it and set out to create a set of guidelines to follow that would essentially help fix these perceived problems. But who can say anything of the world around us when one persons world differs from that of the next. Who can say there is any ultimate truth or meaning in the world, let alone any single truth, or any one point? Who can say what color something is? Is there really and one substantial truth at all that doesn’t change in time? If one person can conceive of any one thing something which cannot be seen by any other, who would be right? So who can say what is right or wrong to any one individual? In all reality there is no one world that we all live in. Everyone lives in there own world, there own reality. Who can say what I see around me in my world? No one but myself. So then shouldn’t it be me making the observations on my world around me and me who decides what is wrong and in turn what is right?

Every single human, animal, etc. that has the ability to perceive the world around should be the judge of that world and what is in fact going on. Two people can watch the same event unfold and see two very different things because everyone’s perception of the world differs one to the other, thus almost everyone should have different morals, principals, values, and ideas that pertain to them and their reality. Who is to say if a killer did wrong by killing? You would have to in fact be this person to be able to understand his reality and what drove him to do it. In fact there has to be something making him do it otherwise he wouldn’t have, there has to be some driving force, otherwise why would he even get out of bet let alone kill someone? People do nothing without meaning. Every move made has reason behind it, even acts coined ‘unreasonable.’ All it means to be unreasonable is that other people see not the reason behind it, thus proving that people should not be the judge of others. Even if no one can see the motive for another’s actions, it doesn’t mean there was none. To act is to assign meaning and value to the action. To act first one must decide and that decision is based on ones observations of their world around them. No one else can see their world, observe what it is, be powered by that observation to make a decision/come to a conclusion, and in coming to a conclusion generate a meaning/motive on which they can then again observe and in turn decide to act upon, etc.

I once met a man who believed he had the power to raise the dead and that he would have access to this power in 6 months time when he reached the age of 50. He rambled on about the armies he would create, (he being the devil) and of how he would never die or suffer again. He then turned around to tell his son that one day he (the son) would be mayor and how he had to pave the streets with gold, stud the sidewalks with gems, of how he had to clear out the prisons and kill the prisoners, etc. He had a plan you see, and he wanted to make sure his son knew it just incase he died before he reached the age of 50. This same man called himself David saying he was the one written about in the Bible. I of course congratulated him on this feet upon which he reveled to me that he was in fact Jesus Christ himself. And he was David. And he was the Devil.

My point is this, this man spoke nothing to me but the truth, or at least his truth, the truth of his own reality. This man was so sincere and trustworthy because what he said he actually believed. This does not mean that I believe one word coming out of his mouth to pertain to my reality. I knew I would see none of the miracles he boasted of. In fact I called him insane, if only in my own mind, although he spoke the absolute truth.

What it comes to is this, everyone perceives everything differently. Time isn’t even an absolute. What seems like hours for me can seem like mere minutes to another. So then how can one person impose his truths upon others? There are no absolutes; everything changes from one point to the next. How can a man send another man to death based on his actions, and their own morals? But if you look even deeper you can see it. This idea of a non-reality is a two edged blade, it cuts both ways. If to the prosecutor some ones actions go against his ethics than in his own mind he can judge him accordingly by the rules of his reality. What it all comes down to is power in the end. Whoever has the power to impose their reality onto those around them wins, because those people will in turn end up imposing there reality on others based on the rules of there world. Reality in itself is based on the individual or group of individuals who have the power to force it upon others. In the end, there is no truth and there is no true reality but ones own and what truths their reality allows to exist within and coincide without their own.



As you can see i operate out of a Exostencial world view. Who coulda guessed huh? Well i see this as all garbage so ne posotive feedback would be nice.


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Re: the TRUTH to REALITY [Re: PortAngeles]
    #5780738 - 06/22/06 02:54 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

shit i hit the back button so now theres like 3 of these, can a mod deleate the other ones?


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Re: the TRUTH to REALITY [Re: PortAngeles]
    #5780768 - 06/22/06 03:06 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

This has to be one of the intelligent posts ive seen on this forum. Very well thought out. Relativism has always struck me as rather general, and doesnt account for responsibility of actions.

Relative and absolute conditions are like two sides of the same coin. The relative condition does have its own basic physical laws that govern our world. Physics tell us this. Modern physics also points very strongly toword a worldview based upon cause and effect.

Cause and effect (karma) exist relative to an individuals intentions, actions and feeling of satisfaction. These three activities condition the mind into certain ways of being. If one is generally peaceful and has a postivie outlook on life, and acts according to basic ethics, then consequently he will experience more contenment in his mind and geenrate postive seeds of karmic potentialities for the future.

While the absolute condition can be thought of as the space or awarness that allows for the manifetstaion of phenomena. It is the essence of all phenomena, the anti-material consderation, The formless aspect from which all manifetstations arise.


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Re: the TRUTH to REALITY [Re: PortAngeles]
    #5780799 - 06/22/06 03:15 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

I think that our true nature is animistic first and for most, we kill, we strive to survive and we try to obtain power and bring up offspring, but the common denominator will always rule, the power is not only to the strong but to the mass consensus, I don't really think anybody cares about your beliefs as long as it doesn't create conflict from the mass consensus, No one cares if you kill unless its their family members, No cares if you steel unless its from their company, No one cares if you act up and go crazy as long as your not doing it around them, I think no one really cares what your beliefs are as long as they don't conflict with other peoples beliefs, So I guess in a civilized society you have to aleast have the belief to respect the majority in order to survive, but hey some people don't care about surviving so they break the law of mass consensus,

most people believe that punishment is necessary for the crime to not be committed twice, sometimes these punishments aren't aimed at correction but explosion for our constant paranoia of them committing the same crime again, whether the case of being at fault arises has no bearing because your deemed not fit mentally regardless, your classified as a unnecessary risk to society, and blah blah blah


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Re: the TRUTH to REALITY [Re: PortAngeles]
    #5782731 - 06/23/06 01:15 AM (17 years, 7 months ago)

Yes, very well written !
I wish, every power hungry leader would act by the old principle of 'doing only, what you wish someone would do to you', because everyone who once experienced shit, will only want to live in peace and happiness after that, imho. I see no need for the struggle for power, by the costs of others.
I say, let them, who impose that model upon us feel, what that means, if they will be out of their 'order' of power.
There might be some necessary force of human power, to handle social stability, but I bet, it would also go without its very negative effects upon others.
Therefor justice must be sane.

The main evil in our days is that even justice is corrupted by the tools of power, what is money in our days.
That makes, what we all perceive: The reality is formed by the rich ones and is imposed upon us.

That is NOT the intention of democracy ! Every human counts as 'one' and not as 'how much money he has'.

I tell you, the real war for us democrats is the war on CORRUPTION ! Fight it, wherever it appears and be immune to its rising lust and hunger.
I know, almost everyone is corrupt, so be aware of the non-monetarian values to protect yourself.


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Re: the TRUTH to REALITY [Re: BlueCoyote]
    #5782750 - 06/23/06 01:34 AM (17 years, 7 months ago)

We're no better.

There isn't a line somewhere, where intelligent, smart and compassionate people stand in line to save the world.

Democrats are stupid.


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Re: the TRUTH to REALITY [Re: slaphappy]
    #5782920 - 06/23/06 03:24 AM (17 years, 7 months ago)

Let's not get political here, I only meant the method of majority reality forming by numbers of people, what is called democracy in principle (which includes the awareness and 'tolerance' of the 'harmless' and 'different' minority) :wink:

edit: politic, stems from polis = the population, people...
In arab countries, politic (different word of course) means 'leader', 'strong hand' or 'Shepard'...
You see the difference ?


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Though lovers be lost love shall not  And death shall have no dominion
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"Our scientific power has outrun our spiritual power. We have guided missiles and misguided men."Martin Luther King, Jr.
'Acceptance is the absolute key - at that moment you gain freedom and you gain power and you gain courage'


Edited by BlueCoyote (06/23/06 03:32 AM)


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Re: the TRUTH to REALITY [Re: BlueCoyote]
    #5783470 - 06/23/06 10:57 AM (17 years, 7 months ago)

Yeah i think i kinda flunked english this quorter. i just got back my paper on christianity and its begginings (the power struggle with rome, etc.) and i got a D-.. I think the teacher doesent like me.. And this was SUPPOSED to be an argumentative essay, heh, dident really support both sides seing as how there realy werent both sides to this 'argument', oh well..


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Re: the TRUTH to REALITY [Re: PortAngeles]
    #5785563 - 06/24/06 12:27 AM (17 years, 7 months ago)

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PortAngeles said:
Yeah i think i kinda flunked english this quorter. ...and its begginings... was SUPPOSED to be...dident really support both sides seing as how there realy werent ...





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I think the teacher doesent like me




Oh, I'm sure the teacher likes you just fine, considering you are studying English at a college level...

If anyone wants an example of why America is in the state in which it is?




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Re: the TRUTH to REALITY [Re: fireworks_god]
    #5787599 - 06/24/06 09:05 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

Why are you having to write about the beginnings of christianity at all in an english class, anyways? Shouldn't you be studying literature?


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Re: the TRUTH to REALITY [Re: Panoramix]
    #5788698 - 06/25/06 06:12 AM (17 years, 7 months ago)

Or how to spell? :grin:

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For I've never known completeness
Like being here
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:yinyang: :levitate: :earth: :levitate: :yinyang:


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