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PortAngeles
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the TRUTH to REALITY
#5780714 - 06/22/06 02:47 PM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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this is a paper i whipped up for one of my college classes in about a half hour. I'm looking for some feedback etc.
Society as a whole has structured itself in a way where we are ruled by a single entity. This entity makes all the rules, deciding right from wrong. But what gives people the right to govern others based on the ethics we extracted from an ancient religion? People say church and state are separate, drawing nothing from one another, and yet the people in today’s society are ruled by ideals presented to us by people thousands of years deceased. How can we as sophisticated individuals be led b these people from the grave? Who is to say there is any founding for these beliefs and therefore these laws we are forced to live by day by day? Our founding for these ideals and principals lies in the viewing of the world around us. People years ago perceived the world around them and upon making these observations decided what was wrong with it and set out to create a set of guidelines to follow that would essentially help fix these perceived problems. But who can say anything of the world around us when
one persons world differs from that of the next. Who can say there is any ultimate truth or meaning in the world, let alone any single truth, or any one point? Who can say what color something is? Is there really and one substantial truth at all that doesn’t change in time? If one person can conceive of any one thing something which cannot be seen by any other, who would be right? So who can say what is right or wrong to any one individual? In all reality there is no one world that we all live in. Everyone lives in there own world, there own reality. Who can say what I see around me in my world? No one but myself. So then shouldn’t it be me making the observations on my world around me and me who decides what is wrong and in turn what is right?
Every single human, animal, etc. that has the ability to perceive the world around should be the judge of that world and what is in fact going on. Two people can watch the same event unfold and see two very different things because everyone’s perception of the world differs one to the other, thus almost everyone should have different morals, principals, values, and ideas that pertain to them and their reality. Who is to say if a killer did
wrong by killing? You would have to in fact be this person to be able to understand his reality and what drove him to do it. In fact there has to be something making him do it otherwise he wouldn’t have, there has to be some driving force, otherwise why would he even get out of bet let alone kill someone? People do nothing without meaning. Every move made has reason behind it, even acts coined ‘unreasonable.’ All it means to be unreasonable is that other people see not the reason behind it, thus proving that people should not be the judge of others. Even if no one can see the motive for another’s actions, it doesn’t mean there was none. To act is to assign meaning and value to the action. To act first one must decide and that decision is based on ones observations of their world around them. No one else can see their world, observe what it is, be powered by that observation to make a decision/come to a conclusion, and in coming to a conclusion generate a meaning/motive on which they can then again observe and in turn decide to act upon, etc.
I once met a man who believed he had the power to raise the dead and that he would have access to this power in 6 months time when he reached the age of 50. He rambled on about the armies he would create, (he being the devil) and of how he would never die or suffer again. He then turned around to tell his son that one day he (the son) would be mayor and how he had to pave the streets with gold, stud the sidewalks with gems, of how he had to clear out the prisons and kill the prisoners, etc. He had a plan you see, and he wanted to make sure his son knew it just incase he died before he reached the age of 50. This same man called himself David saying he was the one written about in the Bible. I of course congratulated him on this feet upon which he reveled to me that he was in fact Jesus Christ himself. And he was David. And he was the Devil.
My point is this, this man spoke nothing to me but the truth, or at least his truth, the truth of his own reality. This man was so sincere and trustworthy because what he said he actually believed. This does not mean that I believe one word coming out of his mouth to pertain to my reality. I knew I would see none of the miracles he boasted of. In fact I called him insane, if only in my own mind, although he spoke the absolute truth.
What it comes to is this, everyone perceives everything differently. Time isn’t even an absolute. What seems like hours for me can seem like mere minutes to another. So then how can one person impose his truths upon others? There are no absolutes; everything changes from one point to the next. How can a man send another man to death based on his actions, and their own morals? But if you look even deeper you can see it. This idea of a non-reality is a two edged blade, it cuts both ways. If to the prosecutor some ones actions go against his ethics than in his own mind he can judge him accordingly by the rules of his reality. What it all comes down to is power in the end. Whoever has the power to impose their reality onto those around them wins, because those people will in turn end up imposing there reality on others based on the rules of there world. Reality in itself is based on the individual or group of individuals who have the power to force it upon others. In the end, there is no truth and there is no true reality but ones own and what truths their reality allows to exist within and coincide without their own.
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Re: the TRUTH to REALITY [Re: PortAngeles]
#5780766 - 06/22/06 03:05 PM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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This has to be one of the intelligent posts ive seen on this forum. Very well thought out. Relativism has always struck me as rather general, and doesnt account for responsibility of actions.
Relative and absolute conditions are like two sides of the same coin. The relative condition does have its own basic physical laws that govern our world. Physics tell us this. Modern physics also points very strongly toword a worldview based upon cause and effect.
Cause and effect (karma) exist relative to an individuals intentions, actions and feeling of satisfaction. These three activities condition the mind into certain ways of being. If one is generally peaceful and has a postivie outlook on life, and acts according to basic ethics, then consequently he will experience more contenment in his mind and geenrate postive seeds of karmic potentialities for the future.
While the absolute condition is the essence of all phenomena, the anti-material consderation, The formless aspect from which all manifetstations arise.
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PortAngeles
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Re: the TRUTH to REALITY [Re: Sinbad]
#5780825 - 06/22/06 03:19 PM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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Good insight
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LunarEclipse
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Re: the TRUTH to REALITY [Re: PortAngeles]
#5781288 - 06/22/06 06:08 PM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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Relativity is absolute. To the Robin that worm is tasty, to the worm that Robin is a Fucking Bitch who ate him/her. Aren't some worms hermorphrodites?
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Reality is inherintly subjective. There can be no consensus because nothing is truly communicable, even physical laws cannot be verified because you can't know someone else's mind (the egocentric predicament) and so there is no way to judge anyone ever without insurmountable personal bias. Good stuff, that. Have you looked into the Sophists, PortAngeles? Just leave out the bit at the end where Gorgius decides that might makes right. Sure, it's the same conclusion you came to; "Whoever has the power to impose their reality onto those around them wins, because those people will in turn end up imposing there reality on others based on the rules of there world." but I sense you dislike where that has led us whereas Gorgius says it like it's a good thing, as I recall.
I believe that some worms are hermaphrodites. If you cut a hermaphrodite worm in half, both halves lived and they proceeded to have sex with one another, how crazy-inbred would those baby worms be, eh? But I expect a worm can get away with being crazy-inbred without it having serious adverse consequences in regards to their lifestyle.
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Re: the TRUTH to REALITY [Re: Panoramix]
#5783211 - 06/23/06 08:31 AM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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Sure, worms have a whole underground economy. They don't normally worry about what is going on "topside". I would say Can You Dig It? but it's not like me to use puns...
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Re: the TRUTH to REALITY [Re: PortAngeles]
#5783231 - 06/23/06 08:43 AM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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decent for 30 minutes, congrats! I'd polish up some grammar (use of commas etc). what was the essay question? its important to know that cause all of us can ramble some gibberish your way and it wouldn't help 
what works for me might not work for you...that is true enough
Yes everyone lives in their own world..but does this mean then there should be no rules to abide by? where do rules come from? is it morality, or is it common sense?
it is easy to use the argument about reality that you put across to be lazy, to not try to produce change, to not have your own opinion, or even talk about your own opinion towards others. I'm not saying your ideas will beget these listed above, but can you see how others could use it as such?
we are fickle beings at best, and what we do affects other people, does this mean we should have laws then? these are powerful concepts we are dealing with here, and with ideas like these we must look at as many scenarios and ways of thinking that we possibly can. if utopia existed, then everyone would help everyone, and know why they would, but it isn't, and so we have rules...that's reality. what do you think about it?
-------------------- Annnnnnd I had a light saber and my friend was there and I said "you look like an indian" and he said "you look like satan" and he found a stick and a rock and he named the rock ooga booga and he named the stick Stick and we both thought that was pretty funny. We got eaten alive by mosquitos but didn't notice til the next day. I stepped on some glass while wading in the swamp and cut my foot open, didn't bother me til the next day either....yeah it was a good time, ended the night by buying some liquor for minors and drinking nips and going to he diner and eating chicken fingers, and then I went home and went to bed.
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