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are you an old soul?
    #5780710 - 06/22/06 02:45 PM (18 years, 7 days ago)

Most people who see themselves as old souls - know they will not be returning to third dimension or a physical body. They see themselves in realms of balance and higher light. They do not seek the lessons of emotions - having had their fill of issues and games.

Old souls are souls that have reached higher frequency of light and understand beyond the realms of third dimension. they are enlightened, not judgmental, and past ego.

They are the searchers - the questors - who realize they are experiencing multidimensionally and want to know more. They sense an impending universal change.

Remember that the final quest is the alchemy of consciousness - the mind spiraling through time and space into awareness.

A soul who is ready to evolve into higher frequency of light and understanding of the nature of reality - will understand and seek their soul purpose - their hidden mission - that which is revealed at the end of this cycle of time.

If you are reading these words, your soul has guided you here. You are an old soul. - i got this from a website


so are you and old soul? i defenetely see myself as an old soul becuase.....i just know it. i can feel it inside me and it shows in my charater, how i live my life, what i do etc. i also think very philosophically everyday alot. im a very contemplative person about this univerese, the earth, society, myself, people around me etc. and im also always trying to learn more and gain more knowledge and wisdom everyday i wake up. life is such a priveledge to me and i enjoy life so much. i could go on and on about this, but i see the shroomery as a place with a very high concentration of people with old souls and im wondering if any of you are aware of your gift(s)?


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Re: are you an old soul? [Re: hoopershroomer]
    #5780719 - 06/22/06 02:48 PM (18 years, 7 days ago)

old and young at the same time

my old soul was deleted, so the aliens resuurected my spirit and sent me here, to the source of the problem.

many people have survived physical death, but few have survived soul assassination. Now I got a whole new game, with 11 more lives to live! Shazaam!

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Re: are you an old soul? [Re: DoctorJ]
    #5780754 - 06/22/06 03:00 PM (18 years, 7 days ago)

Nice post Hooper.  I know am an old soul just as you. :thumbup:  :smile:


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Re: are you an old soul? [Re: SoY]
    #5780772 - 06/22/06 03:08 PM (18 years, 7 days ago)

Hey Doc, how and why would a soul be assasinated?


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Re: are you an old soul? [Re: SoY]
    #5780777 - 06/22/06 03:10 PM (18 years, 7 days ago)

how is dangerous knowledge, so I won't dispense it.

why should be obvious. Sometimes, people want you out of the plan. Permenantly.

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Re: are you an old soul? [Re: DoctorJ]
    #5780786 - 06/22/06 03:13 PM (18 years, 7 days ago)

Okay good idea on the how part. Who would have the power to do such a thing?


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Re: are you an old soul? [Re: SoY]
    #5780795 - 06/22/06 03:14 PM (18 years, 7 days ago)

I am not interested in deleting anyone's soul, but rather guarding against it.


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Re: are you an old soul? [Re: SoY]
    #5780856 - 06/22/06 03:28 PM (18 years, 7 days ago)

Soul assassination I think is impossible, for complete obliteration of your soul you would have to lose its energy, by the law of conservation of energy, your energy would be transformed into the universe,

by all practical purposes though we may seize to be conscious when we die, meaning that we still exist in some form or another but it won't matter because we're not conscious of it, but really the universe has a consciousness of itself so...

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Re: are you an old soul? [Re: hoopershroomer]
    #5780881 - 06/22/06 03:38 PM (18 years, 7 days ago)

Age is relative..

Define old!? :p

"What is new to the sight, .. must 'have been' seen!"
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Re: are you an old soul? [Re: Gomp]
    #5780919 - 06/22/06 03:53 PM (18 years, 7 days ago)

some people are old at 30
and some never grow up

that makes abt as much sense
as comparing soles...

http://www.isep.org/alumni/2004/west/shoes.jpg


define old!

Edited by Schwammel (06/22/06 03:55 PM)

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Re: are you an old soul? [Re: Schwammel]
    #5781146 - 06/22/06 05:19 PM (18 years, 7 days ago)

what i mean by an old soul is a person who has a soul that has been with many different people through out human existance. for example, my soul may have had the priveledge to guide 10 people or more in the journey of life, from all different time periods. Therefor each time the soul enters a person(birth) and eventually exits the person(death), the soul will gain more wisdom and knowledge about the universe, the earth, and life in general each time the soul transfers to a different person. basically the soul becomes more wise( or old) each time it enters a newborn person.
hope that made sense


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Re: are you an old soul? [Re: hoopershroomer]
    #5781285 - 06/22/06 06:07 PM (18 years, 7 days ago)

"if one advances confidently in the direction of his dreams, and endeavors to live life which he has imagined, he will surpass invisible boundaries and meet sucess in unexpected time
-Henry David Thoreau "

so what happens with old soles? they just stick around until nobody remebers them?

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Re: are you an old soul? [Re: Schwammel]
    #5781375 - 06/22/06 06:31 PM (18 years, 7 days ago)

Quote:

Schwammel said:
some people are old at 30
and some never grow up

that makes abt as much sense
as comparing soles...




I see what you are saying, and agree. :wink:

Different levels of understanding, different perspectives... no "souls"... :grin:

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Re: are you an old soul? [Re: fireworks_god]
    #5781417 - 06/22/06 06:46 PM (18 years, 7 days ago)

i talk to my grandmother every day
i talk to my mother all the time

they've both been dead for years.

who am I talking too?

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Re: are you an old soul? [Re: Schwammel]
    #5781467 - 06/22/06 06:55 PM (18 years, 7 days ago)

If this is a test of my reading comprehension, you are talking to your grandmother and your mother. :lol:

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Re: are you an old soul? [Re: fireworks_god]
    #5781472 - 06/22/06 06:57 PM (18 years, 7 days ago)

I knew that...

thanks for the clarification

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Re: are you an old soul? [Re: hoopershroomer]
    #5781482 - 06/22/06 06:59 PM (18 years, 7 days ago)

Everything has always existed, and will forevermore.

There's infinity before and after.

We all are Eternal.

That's what I believe.


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Re: are you an old soul? [Re: Schwammel]
    #5781502 - 06/22/06 07:03 PM (18 years, 7 days ago)

I like your dog

i've had lots of dogs...

i have a brindle boxer mixed w/ a black doberman...

I didn't just get this dog, I breed him.

i love cats too... took me awhile,

they don't like me

but i like them

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Re: are you an old soul? [Re: hoopershroomer]
    #5781524 - 06/22/06 07:09 PM (18 years, 7 days ago)

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hoopershroomer said:
what i mean by an old soul is a person who has a soul that has been with many different people through out human existance. for example, my soul may have had the priveledge to guide 10 people or more in the journey of life, from all different time periods. Therefor each time the soul enters a person(birth) and eventually exits the person(death), the soul will gain more wisdom and knowledge about the universe, the earth, and life in general each time the soul transfers to a different person. basically the soul becomes more wise( or old) each time it enters a newborn person.
hope that made sense




Re-Incarnation?


So, in other words. You are asking if this is the first "human incarnation"?

And/or just incarnating as a whole?

I recall being "gaseous" as 'us', then incarnating here on earth.

:crazy2: :thumbup:

Anyways, If You incarnated as a individual, say as a dog, would that make you an 'old' soul, being human?

Just wondering about the definition "you use" .. :wink::thumbup:


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Re: are you an old soul? [Re: Gomp]
    #5781560 - 06/22/06 07:16 PM (18 years, 7 days ago)

i'm a young soul

I paid my dues in heaven and hell

they let me go

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Re: are you an old soul? [Re: Schwammel]
    #5781644 - 06/22/06 07:33 PM (18 years, 7 days ago)

I don't know if I am or not an old soul, this idea has to fall hard on theory, anything that you come up with as proof at this point can be strongly argued, maybe the occurrance of DeJa Vu, dreams and other unexplainable occurances can give clues to the nature of the soul, if one truly exists

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Re: are you an old soul? [Re: capliberty]
    #5781724 - 06/22/06 07:52 PM (18 years, 7 days ago)

it exists and so do you,

old or new

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Re: are you an old soul? [Re: hoopershroomer]
    #5781968 - 06/22/06 09:20 PM (18 years, 7 days ago)

I can understand the concept of the old soul because I myself feel generally more attracted to higher planes of knowledge and less interested in earthly affairs, so I am pretty open to the whole idea.

However I find the terminology a bit misleading. I'd prefer to use the term "evolved" rather than "old" or "young". Age implies an eventual death. I believe the soul to be eternal and ageless. This is just my opinion.


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Re: are you an old soul? [Re: AlteredAgain]
    #5782865 - 06/23/06 02:46 AM (18 years, 7 days ago)

Sandra Day O'Connors eyes! they are sucking me in.....arggggghh.
Well I guess I am interested in higher things. I am able to empathise with anyone and I am not wrapped in my own emotion or concerned with impressing others. On the negative side I am often so wrapped up in what I am doing that I forget peoples birthdays and other things that makes people think I am selfish, can you be an old soul and really lazy and scatterbrained?

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Re: are you an old soul? [Re: AlteredAgain]
    #5782869 - 06/23/06 02:51 AM (18 years, 7 days ago)

I am the very first soul.

I am the beginning.

I am the very last soul.

I am the end.

I am eternity.

I am Eons at play with balls.

I am the culmination.

I am the continuum

I am the aggregation.

I am abandoned, bare, barren, blank, clear, dead, deflated, depleted, desert, deserted, desolate, despoiled, destitute, devoid, dry, evacuated, exhausted, forsaken, godforsaken, hollow, lacking, stark, unfilled, unfurnished, uninhabited, unoccupied, vacant, vacated, vacuous, void, wanting, waste, aimless, banal, barren, cheap, dead, deadpan, devoid, dishonest, dumb, expressionless, fatuous, flat, frivolous, futile, hollow, idle, ignorant, inane, ineffective, ineffectual, inexpressive, insincere, insipid, jejune, meaningless, nugatory, otiose, paltry, petty, purposeless, senseless, silly, trivial, unintelligent, unreal, unsatisfactory, unsubstantial, vacuous, vain, valueless, vapid, worthless, gossip, hot air, palaver, propaganda, rhetoric, rumor, tall talk, brainless, dizzy, featherbrained, flighty, frivolous, giddy, harebrained, ignorant, illiterate, inane, know-nothing, silly, skittish, stupid, uneducated, unschooled, untaught, vacant, vacuous, alone, cast aside, cast away, cast off, deserted, discarded, dissipated, dropped, eliminated, empty, forgotten, forsaken, friendless, given up, jilted, left, left alone, left behind, neglected, outcast, passed up, pigeonholed, rejected, relinquished, shunned, side-tracked, sidelined, stranded, unoccupied, arid, barren, blank, bleak, clear, desert, desolate, empty, lacking, mean, open, poor, scanty, scarce, stark, unfurnished, vacant, vacuous, void, wanting, arid, depleted, desert, desolate, dry, effete, empty, fallow, fruitless, impotent, impoverished, infecund, infertile, parched, sterile, unbearing, uncultivable, unfertile, unfruitful, unproductive, bare, barren, clean, empty, fresh, new, pale, plain, spotless, unfilled, unmarked, untouched, unused, vacant, vacuous, virgin, void, white, apocryphal, beguiling, bogus, casuistic, concocted, cooked-up, counterfactual, deceitful, deceiving, delusive, dishonest, distorted, erroneous, ersatz, fake, fallacious, fanciful, faulty, fictitious, fishy, fraudulent, illusive, imaginary, improper, inaccurate, incorrect, inexact, invalid, lying, mendacious, misleading, misrepresentative, mistaken, phony, sham, sophistical, specious, spurious, trumped up, unfounded, unreal, unsound, untrue, untruthful, apostate, base, beguiling, canting, corrupt, crooked, deceitful, deceiving, deceptive, deluding, delusive, devious, dishonorable, disloyal, double-dealing, duplicitous, faithless, false-hearted, forsworn, foul, hypocritical, knavish, lying, malevolent, malicious, mean, misleading, mythomaniac, perfidious, perjured, rascally, recreant, renegade, roguish, scoundrelly, traitorous, treacherous, treasonable, two-faced, underhanded, unfaithful, unscrupulous, untrustworthy, venal, villainous, wicked, adulterated, alloyed, artificial, assumed, bastard, bent, bogus, brummagem, bum, colored, contrived, copied, counterfeit, crock, deceptive, disguised, ersatz, fabricated, factitious, feigned, fishy, forged, frame, gyp, hollow, imitation, made-up, make-believe, manufactured, meretricious, mock, ostensible, phony, pretended, pseudo, queer, seeming, shady, sham, simulated, snide, so-called, spurious, substitute, synthetic, unreal, wrong, disguise, display, front, guise, image, mask, mere façade, public image, sham, veneer, window dressing, base, crooked, dishonest, dishonorable, disloyal, faithless, false-hearted, knavish, malevolent, malicious, perfidious, roguish, traitorous, treacherous, underhanded, unfaithful, unscrupulous, imitation, insincerity, mannerism, pose, pretense, pretension, pretentiousness, put-on, sham, show, showing off, simulation.

I am none of the above.

I am not all.

I am not otherwise.

I am the cold-hearted orb.

I am a lie.

There is no truth.

I never lie.

I run the night.

The truth shall set me free.


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Re: are you an old soul? [Re: Asante]
    #5782883 - 06/23/06 03:01 AM (18 years, 7 days ago)

Quote:

Wiccan_Seeker said:
Everything has always existed, and will forevermore.





i totally agree, i don't beleive or even see the concept of newer or advanced souls, beings anymore, just seems like a concept to say one is better than another. we have always been and always will be.


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Re: are you an old soul? [Re: spudamore]
    #5783004 - 06/23/06 04:49 AM (18 years, 7 days ago)

Yeah but that doesn't mean each soul has success in gaining more wisdom.  Some souls might ride the short bus if you know what I mean.  Some souls might take longer to gain the wisdom that other souls already found.  2 souls walk into a bar...that doesn't mean they're leaving with the same blood alcohol level.  Replace the bar with life and the beer with wisdom and...well...you get my point.  :stoned:

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Re: are you an old soul? [Re: Newbie]
    #5783006 - 06/23/06 04:55 AM (18 years, 7 days ago)

does that have anything to do with the age of a soul?


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Re: are you an old soul? [Re: spudamore]
    #5783014 - 06/23/06 05:07 AM (18 years, 7 days ago)

Good point. I dunno...Matter can't be created or destroyed, but souls aren't matter so maybe some souls were formed before others? Soul evolution lol.

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Re: are you an old soul? [Re: Newbie]
    #5783108 - 06/23/06 06:45 AM (18 years, 7 days ago)

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Yeah but that doesn't mean each soul has success in gaining more wisdom.




You think of death like a reboot, while I think of it as transfer of your soul.exe onto new hardware.

If you look at it like that, wisdom being accumulated during lives but erased between lives, then the "age" of a soul would mean nothing, and capacity for wisdom lies in the experiences of that life and lessons learned from it.

I believe soul.exe is a tiny program that just contains Identity, it's just a "me", and the rest are properties of the hardware it's installed into.

That doesnt nullify karma, but with no chance to predict or otherwise foresee to which side the cosmic balance will sway, for practical purposes it might as well not exist.


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Re: are you an old soul? [Re: Asante]
    #5783114 - 06/23/06 06:56 AM (18 years, 6 days ago)

Yeah but how can a sould just be "me"? How would you know where your soul has been before? There are some people in this world that dont' even see beyond themselves...why don't their souls see that they had a past life or remember it at all? I haven't felt any of my past lives yet, and if a soul is a "me", then why does it feel like this? Why do I feel like this is the only time I'm existing? What are the constants withing a soul? Memories? Emotions? All of those can be experience with a brain. What separates a brain from a soul?

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Re: are you an old soul? [Re: hoopershroomer]
    #5783197 - 06/23/06 08:23 AM (18 years, 6 days ago)

it's pretty vague.

an old soul is a gimmick for you to feel better about yourself. so somehow if your soul is older, you think different? sorry I find that to be pure rubbish, why create more labels and seperation in the name of spirituality?

what is this quest for consciousness? don't we already have it? Or is it not that we do or don't have but how we use consciousness.

life is a privilege for you, but what about others? do old souls sit and think, or do they act as well. good to see the inside and outside and in between the edges, dare I say we should also learn how to rearrange them?


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Annnnnnd I had a light saber and my friend was there and I said "you look like an indian" and he said "you look like satan" and he found a stick and a rock and he named the rock ooga booga and he named the stick Stick and we both thought that was pretty funny. We got eaten alive by mosquitos but didn't notice til the next day. I stepped on some glass while wading in the swamp and cut my foot open, didn't bother me til the next day either....yeah it was a good time, ended the night by buying some liquor for minors and drinking nips and going to he diner and eating chicken fingers, and then I went home and went to bed.

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Re: are you an old soul? [Re: kaiowas]
    #5783689 - 06/23/06 12:36 PM (18 years, 6 days ago)

In human society, you have this equivalent, but this is overshadowed by the natural handicaps that the very young must struggle with. The tiny babe, helpless to feed or move or bath itself, is clearly unimpressive to humans, regardless of the wisdom inherent in the incarnating spirit. The toddler, struggling to communicate in single word phrases, is treated as a potential only. The youngster, eager to learn but often bungling in their attempts to create even the simplest contraption, are held in esteem only by loving parents and relatives. The teenager, who may be accomplished and speak great wisdom, is overlooked as they are assumed to be rebels and speaking only to assert themselves in their desire for independence and self importance. Thus the idea that a relative youngster could have wisdom beyond their elders is incomprehensible to humans. How often, from the mouths of babes, come great insight? How often do the mutterings of mature humans in their prime show that their thinking is cluttered with dependency longings, irrational resentments, self-promotion, and an inability to be creative or resourceful? Age means nothing!

A soul is unaware of its status, but tends to recognize other strong souls during an incarnation. The human form is a great mask, in the main, except to the educated. Old souls almost instantly recognize each other. This is not a body language issue, as the human can be unaware of the age of their soul, other than that they find they are focusing on issues differently than others around them. An old soul often finds they are strongly at issue to Service-to-Self agendas, or take action suddenly to situations where others about them are debating and unsure. An old soul often has a skill set that surprises the parents, expressing early in the life of the young human whose knowledge and skill are coming from a source other than the education being given by the parents. Thus, there are clues, but the old soul in a young body feels, most often, strange and apart until meeting others of his kind.

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and kaio, it is nota gimmick to make me feel better about myself. you say that like you know it when its just your opinion. and yes in a way an old soul does think differently then, say, other people with younger souls. u should know what i mean. i mean do you ever just look at people and interpret and analyze them? try to figure out what they are thinking depending on how the conduct themselves and there character? you can defenetily tell that some people simply just dont "get it". im just saying those people that dont get it have souls that dont have as much experience with life

old souls sit think, AND act.
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Re: are you an old soul? [Re: hoopershroomer]
    #5785448 - 06/23/06 11:27 PM (18 years, 6 days ago)

people sit an analyse others regardless of age, race, or creed. I used to 'get it' I used to believe in all of this stuff, and I have to say that in the end, it just sounds more like a way for one to seperate yourself from others.  by saying your soul is older, you are a step 'above them'  ie your use of words of 'get it'

do you ahve the faintest idea of what a soul is? you could tell me what a soul is, but you only know based on what others have told you. it's like saying you know about the creator of the universe based on information from the internet. 

and yes it's an opinion, this is philosophy, that's all it is!  what you say isn't true either.  that's why I mentioned rearranging edges.  this way you are interacting rather than just labeling.

call me a skeptic :grin:


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Re: are you an old soul? [Re: kaiowas]
    #5785520 - 06/24/06 12:05 AM (18 years, 6 days ago)

It is always interesting when "ZetaTalk®" springs forth here....

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Re: are you an old soul? [Re: hoopershroomer]
    #5786001 - 06/24/06 04:38 AM (18 years, 6 days ago)

Though I can imagine what it would entail, if I were to convince myself that my supposed propensity for contemplation, and other such things was a result of my being an "old soul", my ultimate position on it is very clear. That it is, like a previous poster stated to some degree, simply applying empty concepts of self-importance to a very obvious oneness.

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Re: are you an old soul? [Re: hoopershroomer]
    #5786121 - 06/24/06 08:48 AM (18 years, 5 days ago)

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Most people who see themselves as old souls - know they will not be returning to third dimension or a physical body. They see themselves in realms of balance and higher light. They do not seek the lessons of emotions - having had their fill of issues and games.

Old souls are souls that have reached higher frequency of light and understand beyond the realms of third dimension. they are enlightened, not judgmental, and past ego.

They are the searchers - the questors - who realize they are experiencing multidimensionally and want to know more. They sense an impending universal change.

Remember that the final quest is the alchemy of consciousness - the mind spiraling through time and space into awareness.

A soul who is ready to evolve into higher frequency of light and understanding of the nature of reality - will understand and seek their soul purpose - their hidden mission - that which is revealed at the end of this cycle of time.

If you are reading these words, your soul has guided you here. You are an old soul. - i got this from a website


so are you and old soul? i defenetely see myself as an old soul becuase.....i just know it. i can feel it inside me and it shows in my charater, how i live my life, what i do etc. i also think very philosophically everyday alot. im a very contemplative person about this univerese, the earth, society, myself, people around me etc. and im also always trying to learn more and gain more knowledge and wisdom everyday i wake up. life is such a priveledge to me and i enjoy life so much. i could go on and on about this, but i see the shroomery as a place with a very high concentration of people with old souls and im wondering if any of you are aware of your gift(s)?




This seems like pure conjecture and self indulgent nonsense. It's IMO founded on nothing more than either ego aggrandizement or the inability to cope with the realities of living in the world.


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Re: are you an old soul? [Re: Icelander]
    #5786207 - 06/24/06 10:11 AM (18 years, 5 days ago)

damnit, I am not conceded, im not self indulging, i dont think higher of myself because of my old soul, i dont think im better then other people. this post was not to make anyone feel lower of what they are. i just wanted to know if there were people aware of their gifts and i just wanted to know if anyone knew what i was talking about. i know how this world works and i have complete capability to cope with the everyday reality challenges this world faces me with. i dont want people taking this the wrong way and soem of you are and it frustruates me to see that. im no different then any of you, i just feel i have an enlightened soul and a profound purpose on this earth because of that, nothing else


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Re: are you an old soul? [Re: hoopershroomer]
    #5786244 - 06/24/06 10:29 AM (18 years, 5 days ago)

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Re: are you an old soul? [Re: hoopershroomer]
    #5786343 - 06/24/06 11:21 AM (18 years, 5 days ago)

im no different then any of you, i just feel i have an enlightened soul and a profound purpose on this earth because of that, nothing else

:rotfl:

And I feel that you are full of nonsense.


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Re: are you an old soul? [Re: QuantumMeltdown]
    #5786351 - 06/24/06 11:24 AM (18 years, 5 days ago)

To me the theory of an old soul fits in with the oneness.  I have an "old soul" but am still part of everything else.  To me having an old soul just means that you are better able to consciously cope with the whole idea of the oneness, the soul, and the holographic reality.  You are more self-aware and somewhat evolved past the point which others who just don't get it are at.  Don't deny it.  We all know people who just aren't as spiritually evolved as we are.  They live for earthly pleasures, are selfish, and have extreme difficulty seeing things from someone else's point of view.  Keep those thoughts a brewin' Hooper! :thumbup:


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Re: are you an old soul? [Re: SoY]
    #5786396 - 06/24/06 11:42 AM (18 years, 5 days ago)

well your an old soul and i'm a new soul

but what about no soul???

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Re: are you an old soul? [Re: SoY]
    #5786410 - 06/24/06 11:47 AM (18 years, 5 days ago)

Please offer one concrete piece of evidence that you have an old soul besides your own lofty opinion of your spiritual advancement. :mushroom2:


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Re: are you an old soul? [Re: Icelander]
    #5786466 - 06/24/06 12:16 PM (18 years, 5 days ago)

I dont understand how you can claim having an old soul. That is a strange thing to assume. I am not saying it is driven by a large ego, though I am defintiely not saying it's not :smile:, but it just seems like a strange conclusion to come to.

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Re: are you an old soul? [Re: hoopershroomer]
    #5786577 - 06/24/06 01:12 PM (18 years, 5 days ago)

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i know how this world works and i have complete capability to cope with the everyday reality challenges this world faces me with.

damnit, I am not conceded, im not self indulging, i dont think higher of myself because of my old soul, i dont think im better then other people.
...
i dont want people taking this the wrong way and soem of you are and it frustruates me to see that.




"Everyday challenges" such as people misunderstanding you, challenging your self-concept, or questioning your stated beliefs?

Why should it matter if others are incapable of or unwilling to see you as you believe yourself to be? By your description, they are just "new souls," and we cannot expect them to display the deep insight and understanding of which old souls are capable.

If you respond to mild challenges and jokes on a discussion forum with defensiveness and frustration, perhaps you are not quite as enlightened as you claim to be.

What is the "profound purpose" you are intended for? If you intend to work as a healer or teacher, you will likely be misunderstood and challenged many, many times by those who doubt the veracity of what you say. Are you ready for that?

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Re: are you an old soul? [Re: Veritas]
    #5786660 - 06/24/06 01:53 PM (18 years, 5 days ago)

I personally don't care waht kinda soul you got.

just as long as its a good soul... and yes i beleive in evil
people w/ no soul. The type that glorifies "That's right. I've killed women and children. I've killed just about everything that walked ..."""

just to appease an audience and make a few dollars. So you gotta ask yourself...

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Re: are you an old soul? [Re: Schwammel]
    #5787648 - 06/24/06 09:21 PM (18 years, 5 days ago)

Icelander said:
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Please offer one concrete piece of evidence that you have an old soul besides your own lofty opinion of your spiritual advancement.




First off, one cannot produce concrete evidence simply because of the nature of the topic at hand. That should be obvious to you. I could ask you to come up with concrete evidence that you even have a soul, but that would be just as pointless as your request to me. I may not have an "old soul" but I definately am more spiritually advanced than some people. So are you because of the simple fact that you have the ability and desire to contemplate such matters. Would you say that Buddha or Jesus are less spiritually advanced than a racist murderer who doesn't believe we have souls? It should be obvious by the actions and encounters with the people of this earth that some have not evolved spiritually yet.


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Re: are you an old soul? [Re: SoY]
    #5787672 - 06/24/06 09:28 PM (18 years, 5 days ago)

""" Would you say that Buddha or Jesus are less spiritually advanced than a racist murderer who doesn't believe we have souls? It should be obvious"""

if its obvvious why are we having this discussion?

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Re: are you an old soul? [Re: Schwammel]
    #5787713 - 06/24/06 09:42 PM (18 years, 5 days ago)

Anyone with some time should check out the video that tallgreen posted in the Time Dilation thread....


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Re: are you an old soul? [Re: SoY]
    #5787932 - 06/24/06 10:41 PM (18 years, 5 days ago)

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Icelander said:
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Please offer one concrete piece of evidence that you have an old soul besides your own lofty opinion of your spiritual advancement.




First off, one cannot produce concrete evidence simply because of the nature of the topic at hand.  That should be obvious to you.  I could ask you to come up with concrete evidence that you even have a soul, but that would be just as pointless as your request to me.  I may not have an "old soul" but I definately am more spiritually advanced than some people.  So are you because of the simple fact that you have the ability and desire to contemplate such matters.  Would you say that Buddha or Jesus are less spiritually advanced than a racist murderer who doesn't believe we have souls?  It should be obvious by the actions and encounters with the people of this earth that some have not evolved spiritually yet.




Well then why should I take your word for the fact that you are an "old soul". You just sound arrogant to me and so does this whole thread. By the way I don't believe in a soul. I never knew jesus or buddha so there's no way I can know about them or if they existed as portrayed. Maybe you should take this to the Mysticism forum where you  can just make your claims without challenge.  :mushroom2:


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Re: are you an old soul? [Re: Icelander]
    #5787980 - 06/24/06 10:57 PM (18 years, 5 days ago)

really old souls don't beleive in anything

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Re: are you an old soul? [Re: Schwammel]
    #5788063 - 06/24/06 11:21 PM (18 years, 5 days ago)

I beleive in everything,

I'm a young soul

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Re: are you an old soul? [Re: Schwammel]
    #5788072 - 06/24/06 11:25 PM (18 years, 5 days ago)

Would you say that you are less spiritually advanced than the racist murderer? :smirk:


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Re: are you an old soul? [Re: SoY]
    #5788100 - 06/24/06 11:36 PM (18 years, 5 days ago)

it all depends on the plane...
lets say Hitler died and just before he died
he gave in..

he goes to hitler heaven waiting to be a fish...

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Re: are you an old soul? [Re: Schwammel]
    #5788105 - 06/24/06 11:38 PM (18 years, 5 days ago)

if he didn't give in

only god and some of the posters know

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Re: are you an old soul? [Re: Veritas]
    #5788309 - 06/25/06 12:36 AM (18 years, 5 days ago)

"Why should it matter if others are incapable of or unwilling to see you as you believe yourself to be?"

that is true it shouldnt matter, thats my mistake to respond. but i am still a young person, yet i know i am very wise for my age, i still have alot to learn about everything. my family, teachers, other role models tell me how gifted i am everyday as an overall human being, and how i conduct myself in the classroom, on the court, and how i spend my time everyday. i contemplate about infinit aspects of life everyday, striving to learn something new about myself, and gaining more wisdom about life in general, and im trying to be the best I can be. i realize there is alot more to life, and alot more out there in this world than im able to percieve in the some what isolated location i'm at currently. im constantly thinking about life, about basketball, about whats going on 2000 thousand miles from me, about my family, about how to better myself, about how to bear my everyday accidents with dignity and grace making the best of my circumstances. sometimes i can look at other people(whom i know) and see it in their eyes that they dont have the drive like i do, the courage, the will, the dedication and ambition like i do. i can see that they have a younger soul than i do, and i feel priviledged by god that i have the unique set gifts that i possess. i dont know, its very hard to explain.


And everyday i wake up, im thankful. i know that something(one) has given me yet another day to do what i please with my time while living my life, and i try to make the best of it, and experience as much as i can. i sometimes visualize myself in the future, in very good conditions, and....i just truly feel that god has a mission for me. i know there are people that know what im talking about, and know how i feel. then again i can see it from anothers point of view and see how it could look like over ego.

idk, i am an old soul, i know it and feel it and thats all that matters to me. some of you know what im talking about and others dont, nothing more i can say

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Re: are you an old soul? [Re: hoopershroomer]
    #5788709 - 06/25/06 06:24 AM (18 years, 5 days ago)

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i dont want people taking this the wrong way and soem of you are and it frustruates me to see that.




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i know how this world works and i have complete capability to cope with the everyday reality challenges this world faces me with.




Which is why you grow frustrated when other individuals interpret ideas in a manner differently than what you intended? If you truly knew how this world "works", that would probably be one of the first lessons you would have realized. Growing frustrated is not demonstrating your "complete capability to cope". :smirk:

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im no different then any of you, i just feel i have an enlightened soul and a profound purpose on this earth because of that, nothing else




Don't worry about it, everyone gets delusions of grandeur from time to time. Honestly, I'd suspect that, if you hadn't read some lofty notion of their being old souls in the first place, on some website such as ZetaTalk, then you would have never gotten the "feeling".

Ultimately, the idea of being an old soul intrigued you, specificially because it made you feel better about yourself, granted you a sense of identity and fufillment that was possibly lacking beforehand, so you "felt" it.

Honestly, feelings do not substantiate any aspect of reality, and you will not be able to demonstrate the existance of a "soul", nor determine its age. It is simply a feeling, and the mind can generate whatever feeling it wishes and associate it with whatever crazy idea it wants.

I personally consider myself to have gained an increased understanding of the nature of reality, and am fairly intelligent, but yet I have never made myself feel as though I have some ancient soul that is more enlightened than others.

It doesn't make a lot of sense to say, "I'm no different than you", just that I have an older soul and actually have a profound purpose on here because of this difference. Hhhm... a difference is a difference, and you are pronouncing a distinct difference. If this feeling of yours is already promoting oversight and subtle hypocrisy, then it, quite honestly, isn't doing you any good but feeling your head with a sense of baseless self-importance.

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Re: are you an old soul? [Re: SoY]
    #5788716 - 06/25/06 06:35 AM (18 years, 5 days ago)

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First off, one cannot produce concrete evidence simply because of the nature of the topic at hand.  That should be obvious to you.




Exactly, the nature of the topic at hand directly pertains to notions and feelings that can be generated without any basis, its just a feeling, a sense that anyone can create for themselves.

The nature of the topic at hand is such that one simply cannot proclaim the feeling as representing any sort of truth of the matter. Perhaps that should be obvious to you...

You want to discuss something that cannot be demonstrated? All right, dude, I feel like I am God! Much more than an old soul, I'm so advanced that I'm actually God! I know it is true, and wish to discuss it with others, but it should be obvious that I cannnot produce evidence of this, but I'm going to assert it as truth to others anyways. :lol:

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I may not have an "old soul" but I definately am more spiritually advanced than some people.




Please, concepts of spirituality that are not egocentric in nature will plainly express that everyone is at different levels of the same path to higher awareness. You have no manner by which to judge "spiritual advancement", and the fact that you proclaim spiritual advancement beyond others demonstrates that you, quite honestly, are probably not very aware of the nature of reality.

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It should be obvious by the actions and encounters with the people of this earth that some have not evolved spiritually yet.




:lol: It is only obvious to those who have a sense of accomplishment in "spiritual evolution", those who wish to judge others in such a manner. Anyone who thinks through such a lens has much to learn on the path of "spiritual evolution". :wink:

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Re: are you an old soul? [Re: SoY]
    #5788720 - 06/25/06 06:40 AM (18 years, 5 days ago)

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To me having an old soul just means that you are better able to consciously cope with the whole idea of the oneness...




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You are more self-aware and somewhat evolved past the point which others who just don't get it are at.  Don't deny it.  We all know people who just aren't as spiritually evolved as we are.  They live for earthly pleasures, are selfish, and have extreme difficulty seeing things from someone else's point of view. 




So someone with an old soul is someone who consciously understands the oneness while proclaiming bullshit about being more evolved than others, issuing divisive statements that seperate and distinguish those selfish assholes who have difficulty seeing things from other's points of view? I truly wonder who is more selfish, especially those who simply cannot see, understand, and have compassion for their point of view...

Honestly, anyone who truly understood wouldn't fill their heads with selfish notions of superiority, and would truly work at understanding why others are at where they are at, and would interact with reality in a manner that would benefit the advancement of understanding in others, instead of patting themselves on the back for being such an accomplished soul. Once again, I wonder who is actually selfish...

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Re: are you an old soul? [Re: hoopershroomer]
    #5788750 - 06/25/06 07:10 AM (18 years, 4 days ago)

Perhaps you have to reword your statement from spiritual to more philosophical terms. Some here have an allergic reaction as soon some words like 'soul' or 'god' arise, their jalousies get closed :wink:


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Re: are you an old soul? [Re: BlueCoyote]
    #5788805 - 06/25/06 08:03 AM (18 years, 4 days ago)

I think that he would get the same response to a post which read:

"Are you more philosophically advanced than other people?  I believe that I possess more wisdom and rationality than most people.  I cannot demonstrate this in any way, I just feel it."

See?  No religious terms necessary.  If you hop on a debate forum and post a claim to spiritual OR philosophical superiority, you can expect to be questioned.

hoopershroomer:  I think that it is excellent that you are interested in developing your inner life, understanding the spirit, and connecting the dots of this curious puzzle.  What is not so excellent is deciding that these pursuits make you spiritually superior to others who are pursuing different paths.

The most important part of a spiritual path (IMO) is the way it deepens and broadens YOUR life experience.  If others do not choose to undertake that journey, or they follow a path which is divergent from yours, it does not necessarily follow that their souls are new/inexperienced/inferior.

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Re: are you an old soul? [Re: Veritas]
    #5788815 - 06/25/06 08:11 AM (18 years, 4 days ago)

But philosophical terms are better to 'debate', as they can be better argued and differentiated, I think.
He would have to make his point of view much clearer in arguable terms.


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Re: are you an old soul? [Re: BlueCoyote]
    #5788822 - 06/25/06 08:15 AM (18 years, 4 days ago)

Claims of superiority are subject to questioning, whether they contain religious terms or philosophical terms.  Certainly it is difficult to define "soul," much less "old" and "new" subsets of the word, but it is also difficult to define or demonstrate "wisdom" or "rationality," because someone else can always disagree that you are wise or rational.

Again, anyone who does not want their beliefs questioned has another forum in which they will be vigorously protected from challenge. :wink:

Interesting, that this same subject was discussed in MR&P this week, in the "spiritually equal" thread.

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Re: are you an old soul? [Re: Veritas]
    #5788829 - 06/25/06 08:20 AM (18 years, 4 days ago)

age of souls?
debate?
time?
sounds like cross cultural contamination.
souls are a topic that is out of the time constraint altogether, debate about it sounds totally trite in the context of timelessness, and time itself, well that is another thread, or is it?


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Re: are you an old soul? [Re: Veritas]
    #5788904 - 06/25/06 08:57 AM (18 years, 4 days ago)

You are right, veritas.
It is simply, that I would like to see it drawn down to arguable or philosophical arguments :smile:


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Re: are you an old soul? [Re: BlueCoyote]
    #5788996 - 06/25/06 09:45 AM (18 years, 4 days ago)

Hmm...how would one discuss this issue in philosophical/arguable terms?

We can define the qualities which are being classified as evidence of multiple reincarnations: interest in spirituality and philosophy, concern with personal growth, precocious wisdom, developed intellect, ethical/moral behavior, concern for others, etc...

Once these qualities are defined, we still need to take someone's opinion of themself as evidence of spiritual or philosophical superiority. We can examine the limited demonstration of behavior on this board, and try to contrast/compare to their stated opinion of their capacity, but this is not a broad enough "sample" upon which to conduct accurate research.

We could say: "these are the attributes of a spiritually superior person," and use this model as a measuring stick for our own behavior/qualities, thus engaging in applied philosophy.

Still, what is the purpose of defining oneself as superior or inferior, as compared to others? Is it a motivator to improve (if we are big spiritual losers), or permission to slack off (as we are sooooo far ahead already)?

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Re: are you an old soul? [Re: Veritas]
    #5789019 - 06/25/06 09:57 AM (18 years, 4 days ago)

Yes, self declaring this, like with all positive attributes still remains kind of foolish. I see now what you mean. :thumbup:

That's why an old saying goes: A shaman never rates himself as that. He is rated.

That may be true for all 'superiorities', otherwise it may be valuated as simple pride ego games :grin:

Buuuut, it would not be bad to make such a rating scale, or to select some 'idols' in our days for that purpose :wink:


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Re: are you an old soul? [Re: BlueCoyote]
    #5789081 - 06/25/06 10:36 AM (18 years, 4 days ago)

enlightennment of all kinds does kind of smack of elitisim quite harshly! But all types of mystical experiences do vary.
Everyones experience cannot be the same . it is virtually impossible.
IF NOTHING Happened for a reason , Nothing would ever exist, but yet there is something.... And we do exist... And some people exist differently than others.... THats just the way it is... have you  thought of the idea that god might actually have a devine plan for all of us in a great unbeknown quest to bridge the gap between where we are now, and where we could be as 1. enjoying life together. choosing subject few to come to come to a realization of this amazing world we are given by creation, and to help everyone enjoy everything our bodies and soul have to offer us..... ... :cool: For the ultimate mastertask of helping everyone to accept and interpret things truely as they are and should be for everyone..  Im Sure it will take EONS

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Re: are you an old soul? [Re: Veritas]
    #5789117 - 06/25/06 10:58 AM (18 years, 4 days ago)

sorry, have to add:
umpf, better no idols...hehe (as BC remembers his ancient statement about personal debates)

Idol is a much too strong word, sorry. Better I would and will use the word human 'example', that fits much better, as it brings down the theory into practice :lol:


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Re: are you an old soul? [Re: BlueCoyote]
    #5789147 - 06/25/06 11:13 AM (18 years, 4 days ago)

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Please, concepts of spirituality that are not egocentric in nature will plainly express that everyone is at different levels of the same path to higher awareness.




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Re: are you an old soul? [Re: SoY]
    #5789165 - 06/25/06 11:24 AM (18 years, 4 days ago)

I have not agreed with you. Different points on the same path, and you are not capable of discerning where anyone else is on that path. To make a statement that one is more spiritually advanced than another demonstrates that one is full of their own shit.

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Re: are you an old soul? [Re: fireworks_god]
    #5789170 - 06/25/06 11:28 AM (18 years, 4 days ago)

If they are at different points of the same path, then obviously some are more aware and some are less aware, otherwise they would be at the same point....


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Re: are you an old soul? [Re: SoY]
    #5789195 - 06/25/06 11:37 AM (18 years, 4 days ago)

That is assuming that one really knows what the path is and what the purpose of other peoples experience is. That's a really big reach for someone who isn't fully awake to the full purpose of Tao.


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Re: are you an old soul? [Re: SoY]
    #5789199 - 06/25/06 11:38 AM (18 years, 4 days ago)

It is very tempting to indulge in the more aware/less aware game.  I have done it myself, and enjoyed the pleasant sense of being part of the "eyes open" club.

But when I take a step back from my own self-satisfaction, it seems clear that I know very little about the spiritual qualities of others.

The seemingly angry young man on the bus will hurry to offer his seat to an older woman using a cane to walk onto the bus.

That cranky clerk at the Post Office will open up and smile when asked about the beautiful calendar on her station wall.

A tense stranger will relax and begin to chat about her puppy when I laugh about the dog hair on my black slacks.

People I might otherwise judge and dismiss can surprise me with a glimpse of their soul, a peek at their spirit, after just a brief moment of non-judgmental attention and warmth.

When we are locked within our personas, believing that we are superior or inferior to others, we miss the opportunity to connect and enjoy one another.  It is natural to do this, but it is far from preferable.

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Re: are you an old soul? [Re: SoY]
    #5789228 - 06/25/06 11:52 AM (18 years, 4 days ago)

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If they are at different points of the same path, then obviously some are more aware and some are less aware, otherwise they would be at the same point....




All of us are more aware and less aware, of different things.... We are on the same path, but that path is different for everyone. Judgement demonstrates a sense of superiority, which, honestly, isn't very enlightened. :shrug:

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Re: are you an old soul? [Re: fireworks_god]
    #5790658 - 06/25/06 09:36 PM (18 years, 4 days ago)

Judgement demonstrates a sense of difference, not neccessarily superiority. One could be further along the path to enlightenment, but that doesn't make them superior to anyone else. This is what I mean when I say "spiritually advanced".

For example, I would say that a zen buddhist monk is more spiritually advanced than a person who goes through life doing evil acts to others. Yes, the monk and the person doing evil are each more and less aware of different things, but overall the monk is more spiritually advanced because of the way he interacts with others.

Someone who is filled with love and compassion for others because they realize that in fact we are one is more spiritually advanced than someone who hates or does evil to others. If you cannot see this than I am afraid that you are lost.

The evildoers can always become as advanced as anyone else, but often times they go through life asleep....


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Re: are you an old soul? [Re: fireworks_god]
    #5791332 - 06/26/06 01:26 AM (18 years, 4 days ago)

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hoopershroomer said:
i dont want people taking this the wrong way and soem of you are and it frustruates me to see that.




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i know how this world works and i have complete capability to cope with the everyday reality challenges this world faces me with.




Which is why you grow frustrated when other individuals interpret ideas in a manner differently than what you intended? If you truly knew how this world "works", that would probably be one of the first lessons you would have realized. Growing frustrated is not demonstrating your "complete capability to cope". :smirk:

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im no different then any of you, i just feel i have an enlightened soul and a profound purpose on this earth because of that, nothing else




Don't worry about it, everyone gets delusions of grandeur from time to time. Honestly, I'd suspect that, if you hadn't read some lofty notion of their being old souls in the first place, on some website such as ZetaTalk, then you would have never gotten the "feeling".

Ultimately, the idea of being an old soul intrigued you, specificially because it made you feel better about yourself, granted you a sense of identity and fufillment that was possibly lacking beforehand, so you "felt" it.

Honestly, feelings do not substantiate any aspect of reality, and you will not be able to demonstrate the existance of a "soul", nor determine its age. It is simply a feeling, and the mind can generate whatever feeling it wishes and associate it with whatever crazy idea it wants.

I personally consider myself to have gained an increased understanding of the nature of reality, and am fairly intelligent, but yet I have never made myself feel as though I have some ancient soul that is more enlightened than others.

It doesn't make a lot of sense to say, "I'm no different than you", just that I have an older soul and actually have a profound purpose on here because of this difference. Hhhm... a difference is a difference, and you are pronouncing a distinct difference. If this feeling of yours is already promoting oversight and subtle hypocrisy, then it, quite honestly, isn't doing you any good but feeling your head with a sense of baseless self-importance.

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"Don't worry about it, everyone gets delusions of grandeur from time to time. Honestly, I'd suspect that, if you hadn't read some lofty notion of their being old souls in the first place, on some website such as ZetaTalk, then you would have never gotten the "feeling"."

sorry but your supection is wrong. if you noticed in the notion the quote" if you are reading these words, your soul has guided you hear, you are an old soul", that reinforces my thought of being an old soul. see, sometime ago, i had an extremely in-depth philosopical and spiritual conversation with my step-mom(my half-bro's mom) about life. she was surprised by the exponential knowledge and wisdom i had at my young age while talking with her, and during a spiritual point i was trying to make(i forgot exactly what i was trying to say) she said" it's because your an old soul. when she said that i had no clue what she meant by an old soul, and i asked her what it was and she explained it to me. ever since that i had an inspirational relavation about myself and my life that i really was an old soul, and god has something special for me which will be revealed at some point in my life. i was very intrigued by this experience.


then, about 2 or so months ago, i had met a hippie guy and his girl that was selling his rot/german shepard newborn puppies through my mom and little brother(which my lil bro had met outside while they were walking there dogs, mind you my brother loves to pet any dog he sees).  the white guy had dreadlocks and looked like a stoner, and he asked me if i wanted to smoke and i agreed, (btw this chronic was dank nyc diesel), and after we got high we started talking spiritually and philosophically(like im always inclined to bring up), and he also told me i was an old soul, he said "...because were old souls, and we know how to cope...". we clicked almost instantaneously, and that notion also stated in the zeta talk passage" Old souls almost instantly recognize each other. This is not a body language issue, as the human can be unaware of the age of their soul" also reinforced that situation. when he said that, that reminded me of when my step mom told me i was an old soul and this really fascinated me. when i told him my name also which is(i shouldnt be doing this but) Jah'di Zurishada Levi, he said "that's a powerful name, god has a mission for you" and this also inspired me a whole lot.

then just recently i decided to look up, old soul, on google and clicked on a few websites, and was amazed by its description of an old soul, which had alot of similarity and corrolated to the type of person i am. quotes within the passages like "Old souls almost instantly recognize each other. This is not a body language issue, as the human can be unaware of the age of their soul", remined me of the time the the hippie guy knew i was an old soul within in 15 minutes of meeting. all kinds of other things.

so that is when i got that idea. its real and you obviously do not understand what im getting at, but im just glad that people like soy know what im talkin about. if you cant except my point of view and how i say things, and you just want to try to degrade and express negative thoughts towards me then that your problem. do what you want but i know what im saying is real, now be gone





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Re: are you an old soul? [Re: hoopershroomer]
    #5791637 - 06/26/06 04:29 AM (18 years, 4 days ago)

While I do see that there are varying degrees of delusion in this world among all peoples, I see also spiritual materialism and a holier than thou attitude among those who would think themselves more enlightened. Giving yourself a name like 'old soul' seems to me to be just another ego game, it is merely a concept that seperates you from the populace. I have found once I stop building myself up in my head and just take people as I find them that all people are you, all people are good and worthy of your time. Do not feel like you are being attacked, but if you are an 'old soul' what then?

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Re: are you an old soul? [Re: Andy21]
    #5791947 - 06/26/06 09:55 AM (18 years, 3 days ago)

like dude, one time I went to this Buddhist monastery, and we all started meditating, and I was like the best meditator there, like I kicked everyone's ass at meditation, and they were all like: "You're the best meditator of all time," and then they gave me a prize!

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    #5791958 - 06/26/06 09:59 AM (18 years, 3 days ago)

No way! You won a Golden Idol award, too?


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Re: are you an old soul? [Re: Veritas]
    #5791968 - 06/26/06 10:01 AM (18 years, 3 days ago)

yes, but I alchemically transmuted it to lead, then I used the lead for bullets which I then sold to the chinese government so they could further opress their peoples.

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    #5791996 - 06/26/06 10:12 AM (18 years, 3 days ago)

And then your karma ran over your dogma.  :lol:

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Re: are you an old soul? [Re: hoopershroomer]
    #5793507 - 06/26/06 06:56 PM (18 years, 3 days ago)

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see, sometime ago, i had an extremely in-depth philosopical and spiritual conversation with my step-mom(my half-bro's mom) about life. she was surprised by the exponential knowledge and wisdom i had at my young age while talking with her, and during a spiritual point i was trying to make(i forgot exactly what i was trying to say) she said" it's because your an old soul. when she said that i had no clue what she meant by an old soul, and i asked her what it was and she explained it to me. ever since that i had an inspirational relavation about myself and my life that i really was an old soul, and god has something special for me which will be revealed at some point in my life. i was very intrigued by this experience.




Exactly, someone explained the notion to you and it felt true, because it satisfied your sense of identity. The feeling has absolutely nothing to do with whether or not a soul exists or whether or not it is "old", simply that it is a notion that satisfies someone's need for a super identity.

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(like im always inclined to bring up)




Good for you... I think someone might be able to print up an award. :wink:

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when i told him my name also which is(i shouldnt be doing this but) Jah'di Zurishada Levi, he said "that's a powerful name, god has a mission for you" and this also inspired me a whole lot.




I'm sure it did inspire you, and I'm sure it felt great having someone say something like that, but it does not in any way validate the notion of an "old soul" beyond some feeling. :shrug:`

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its real and you obviously do not understand what im getting at, but im just glad that people like soy know what im talkin about.




How do you know what I understand and what I do not? That which I choose to express, even if it questions and negates points of your own, does not represent my understanding. :sorry:

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if you cant except my point of view and how i say things, and you just want to try to degrade and express negative thoughts towards me then that your problem.




Yeah, that would be my problem, if that is what I was interested in doing. You are asserting that the notion of an "old soul" is real, and I'm all like, please, brother, that's just your abstract concept that you adopt because it makes you feel good about yourself.

Expressing alternate points of view is only a problem if others cannot handle it, and this is the forum that is intended for such behavior.

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do what you want but i know what im saying is real, now be gone




Yes, I will be gone! :tongue:

How dare I offend the presence of an old soul, surely I am not an old soul myself. I wonder if the criteria for instantly knowing someone else is an old soul is that they agree with everything one says? :lol:

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so that




So that? Sorry, I thought you might have issued a complete thought... :wink:

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Re: are you an old soul? [Re: DoctorJ]
    #5793636 - 06/26/06 07:39 PM (18 years, 3 days ago)

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like dude, one time I went to this Buddhist monastery, and we all started meditating, and I was like the best meditator there, like I kicked everyone's ass at meditation, and they were all like: "You're the best meditator of all time," and then they gave me a prize!

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This post alone makes it worth it to have taken you off of ignore. :lol:

Now stop acting crazy and you'll be all set. :wink:

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Re: are you an old soul? [Re: fireworks_god]
    #5794627 - 06/27/06 12:52 AM (18 years, 3 days ago)

People that are interested in "higher planes" and all those other new-age fancy linguistic predications - are not old souls.

They are children, simply because they still havent gotten the fucking point.

The fucking point.

The fucking-point.

The fuckingpoint.

Old souls are pornstars.


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Re: are you an old soul? [Re: slaphappy]
    #5795021 - 06/27/06 06:58 AM (18 years, 2 days ago)

Personally, from my perspective, spirituality involves bringing awareness within one's experience, which correlates with directly perceiving reality as it presents itself. This encompasses removing abstract thoughts that serve as obstructions of one's direct, divine experience of life itself.

Lofty notions of being an old soul, the truth of such supported only by feelings of those who are satisfied by considering themselves as such, are seperative of one and one's spirituality... its a detriment to one's ability to effectively navigate reality.

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