|
SoY
I am the LizardKing
Registered: 06/01/06
Posts: 774
Loc: Everywhere
|
|
To me the theory of an old soul fits in with the oneness. I have an "old soul" but am still part of everything else. To me having an old soul just means that you are better able to consciously cope with the whole idea of the oneness, the soul, and the holographic reality. You are more self-aware and somewhat evolved past the point which others who just don't get it are at. Don't deny it. We all know people who just aren't as spiritually evolved as we are. They live for earthly pleasures, are selfish, and have extreme difficulty seeing things from someone else's point of view. Keep those thoughts a brewin' Hooper!
-------------------- "The choiceless truth of who you are is revealed to be permanently here permeating everything. Not a thing and not separate from anything."--Gaganji "Yesterday is but today's memory and tomorrow is today's dream." "My karma ran over my dogma!"
|
Schwammel
Auk
Registered: 12/10/05
Posts: 845
Last seen: 17 years, 5 months
|
Re: are you an old soul? [Re: SoY]
#5786396 - 06/24/06 11:42 AM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
|
|
well your an old soul and i'm a new soul
but what about no soul???
|
Icelander
The Minstrel in the Gallery
Registered: 03/15/05
Posts: 95,368
Loc: underbelly
|
Re: are you an old soul? [Re: SoY]
#5786410 - 06/24/06 11:47 AM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
|
|
Please offer one concrete piece of evidence that you have an old soul besides your own lofty opinion of your spiritual advancement.
-------------------- "Don't believe everything you think". -Anom. " All that lives was born to die"-Anom. With much wisdom comes much sorrow, The more knowledge, the more grief. Ecclesiastes circa 350 BC
|
michael_lifshitz
Student
Registered: 12/27/05
Posts: 436
Loc: here
Last seen: 16 years, 2 months
|
Re: are you an old soul? [Re: Icelander]
#5786466 - 06/24/06 12:16 PM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
|
|
I dont understand how you can claim having an old soul. That is a strange thing to assume. I am not saying it is driven by a large ego, though I am defintiely not saying it's not , but it just seems like a strange conclusion to come to.
Edited by michael_lifshitz (06/24/06 12:17 PM)
|
Veritas
Registered: 04/15/05
Posts: 11,089
|
|
Quote:
hoopershroomer said: i know how this world works and i have complete capability to cope with the everyday reality challenges this world faces me with.
damnit, I am not conceded, im not self indulging, i dont think higher of myself because of my old soul, i dont think im better then other people. ... i dont want people taking this the wrong way and soem of you are and it frustruates me to see that.
"Everyday challenges" such as people misunderstanding you, challenging your self-concept, or questioning your stated beliefs?
Why should it matter if others are incapable of or unwilling to see you as you believe yourself to be? By your description, they are just "new souls," and we cannot expect them to display the deep insight and understanding of which old souls are capable.
If you respond to mild challenges and jokes on a discussion forum with defensiveness and frustration, perhaps you are not quite as enlightened as you claim to be.
What is the "profound purpose" you are intended for? If you intend to work as a healer or teacher, you will likely be misunderstood and challenged many, many times by those who doubt the veracity of what you say. Are you ready for that?
|
Schwammel
Auk
Registered: 12/10/05
Posts: 845
Last seen: 17 years, 5 months
|
Re: are you an old soul? [Re: Veritas]
#5786660 - 06/24/06 01:53 PM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
|
|
I personally don't care waht kinda soul you got.
just as long as its a good soul... and yes i beleive in evil people w/ no soul. The type that glorifies "That's right. I've killed women and children. I've killed just about everything that walked ..."""
just to appease an audience and make a few dollars. So you gotta ask yourself...
|
SoY
I am the LizardKing
Registered: 06/01/06
Posts: 774
Loc: Everywhere
|
Re: are you an old soul? [Re: Schwammel]
#5787648 - 06/24/06 09:21 PM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
|
|
Icelander said:Quote:
Please offer one concrete piece of evidence that you have an old soul besides your own lofty opinion of your spiritual advancement.
First off, one cannot produce concrete evidence simply because of the nature of the topic at hand. That should be obvious to you. I could ask you to come up with concrete evidence that you even have a soul, but that would be just as pointless as your request to me. I may not have an "old soul" but I definately am more spiritually advanced than some people. So are you because of the simple fact that you have the ability and desire to contemplate such matters. Would you say that Buddha or Jesus are less spiritually advanced than a racist murderer who doesn't believe we have souls? It should be obvious by the actions and encounters with the people of this earth that some have not evolved spiritually yet.
-------------------- "The choiceless truth of who you are is revealed to be permanently here permeating everything. Not a thing and not separate from anything."--Gaganji "Yesterday is but today's memory and tomorrow is today's dream." "My karma ran over my dogma!"
|
Schwammel
Auk
Registered: 12/10/05
Posts: 845
Last seen: 17 years, 5 months
|
Re: are you an old soul? [Re: SoY]
#5787672 - 06/24/06 09:28 PM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
|
|
""" Would you say that Buddha or Jesus are less spiritually advanced than a racist murderer who doesn't believe we have souls? It should be obvious"""
if its obvvious why are we having this discussion?
|
SoY
I am the LizardKing
Registered: 06/01/06
Posts: 774
Loc: Everywhere
|
Re: are you an old soul? [Re: Schwammel]
#5787713 - 06/24/06 09:42 PM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
|
|
Anyone with some time should check out the video that tallgreen posted in the Time Dilation thread....
-------------------- "The choiceless truth of who you are is revealed to be permanently here permeating everything. Not a thing and not separate from anything."--Gaganji "Yesterday is but today's memory and tomorrow is today's dream." "My karma ran over my dogma!"
|
Icelander
The Minstrel in the Gallery
Registered: 03/15/05
Posts: 95,368
Loc: underbelly
|
Re: are you an old soul? [Re: SoY]
#5787932 - 06/24/06 10:41 PM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
|
|
Quote:
SoY said: Icelander said:Quote:
Please offer one concrete piece of evidence that you have an old soul besides your own lofty opinion of your spiritual advancement.
First off, one cannot produce concrete evidence simply because of the nature of the topic at hand. That should be obvious to you. I could ask you to come up with concrete evidence that you even have a soul, but that would be just as pointless as your request to me. I may not have an "old soul" but I definately am more spiritually advanced than some people. So are you because of the simple fact that you have the ability and desire to contemplate such matters. Would you say that Buddha or Jesus are less spiritually advanced than a racist murderer who doesn't believe we have souls? It should be obvious by the actions and encounters with the people of this earth that some have not evolved spiritually yet.
Well then why should I take your word for the fact that you are an "old soul". You just sound arrogant to me and so does this whole thread. By the way I don't believe in a soul. I never knew jesus or buddha so there's no way I can know about them or if they existed as portrayed. Maybe you should take this to the Mysticism forum where you can just make your claims without challenge.
-------------------- "Don't believe everything you think". -Anom. " All that lives was born to die"-Anom. With much wisdom comes much sorrow, The more knowledge, the more grief. Ecclesiastes circa 350 BC
|
Schwammel
Auk
Registered: 12/10/05
Posts: 845
Last seen: 17 years, 5 months
|
Re: are you an old soul? [Re: Icelander]
#5787980 - 06/24/06 10:57 PM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
|
|
really old souls don't beleive in anything
|
Schwammel
Auk
Registered: 12/10/05
Posts: 845
Last seen: 17 years, 5 months
|
Re: are you an old soul? [Re: Schwammel]
#5788063 - 06/24/06 11:21 PM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
|
|
I beleive in everything,
I'm a young soul
|
SoY
I am the LizardKing
Registered: 06/01/06
Posts: 774
Loc: Everywhere
|
Re: are you an old soul? [Re: Schwammel]
#5788072 - 06/24/06 11:25 PM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
|
|
Would you say that you are less spiritually advanced than the racist murderer?
-------------------- "The choiceless truth of who you are is revealed to be permanently here permeating everything. Not a thing and not separate from anything."--Gaganji "Yesterday is but today's memory and tomorrow is today's dream." "My karma ran over my dogma!"
|
Schwammel
Auk
Registered: 12/10/05
Posts: 845
Last seen: 17 years, 5 months
|
Re: are you an old soul? [Re: SoY]
#5788100 - 06/24/06 11:36 PM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
|
|
it all depends on the plane... lets say Hitler died and just before he died he gave in..
he goes to hitler heaven waiting to be a fish...
|
Schwammel
Auk
Registered: 12/10/05
Posts: 845
Last seen: 17 years, 5 months
|
Re: are you an old soul? [Re: Schwammel]
#5788105 - 06/24/06 11:38 PM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
|
|
if he didn't give in
only god and some of the posters know
|
hoopershroomer
Bonafide Oneironaut
Registered: 03/30/06
Posts: 1,704
Loc: WA
Last seen: 8 years, 4 months
|
Re: are you an old soul? [Re: Veritas]
#5788309 - 06/25/06 12:36 AM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
|
|
"Why should it matter if others are incapable of or unwilling to see you as you believe yourself to be?"
that is true it shouldnt matter, thats my mistake to respond. but i am still a young person, yet i know i am very wise for my age, i still have alot to learn about everything. my family, teachers, other role models tell me how gifted i am everyday as an overall human being, and how i conduct myself in the classroom, on the court, and how i spend my time everyday. i contemplate about infinit aspects of life everyday, striving to learn something new about myself, and gaining more wisdom about life in general, and im trying to be the best I can be. i realize there is alot more to life, and alot more out there in this world than im able to percieve in the some what isolated location i'm at currently. im constantly thinking about life, about basketball, about whats going on 2000 thousand miles from me, about my family, about how to better myself, about how to bear my everyday accidents with dignity and grace making the best of my circumstances. sometimes i can look at other people(whom i know) and see it in their eyes that they dont have the drive like i do, the courage, the will, the dedication and ambition like i do. i can see that they have a younger soul than i do, and i feel priviledged by god that i have the unique set gifts that i possess. i dont know, its very hard to explain.
And everyday i wake up, im thankful. i know that something(one) has given me yet another day to do what i please with my time while living my life, and i try to make the best of it, and experience as much as i can. i sometimes visualize myself in the future, in very good conditions, and....i just truly feel that god has a mission for me. i know there are people that know what im talking about, and know how i feel. then again i can see it from anothers point of view and see how it could look like over ego.
idk, i am an old soul, i know it and feel it and thats all that matters to me. some of you know what im talking about and others dont, nothing more i can say
peace to all
-------------------- "Life lived in the absence of the psychedelic experience that primordial shamanism is based on is life trivialized, life denied, life enslaved to the ego." "You teach the world how to treat you, by showing the world how you treat yourself." A well developed sense of humor is far superior to any religion" "Everything you could want and could be, you already have and are." &
|
fireworks_god
Sexy.Butt.McDanger
Registered: 03/12/02
Posts: 24,855
Loc: Pandurn
Last seen: 1 year, 2 months
|
|
Quote:
hoopershroomer said: i dont want people taking this the wrong way and soem of you are and it frustruates me to see that.
Quote:
i know how this world works and i have complete capability to cope with the everyday reality challenges this world faces me with.
Which is why you grow frustrated when other individuals interpret ideas in a manner differently than what you intended? If you truly knew how this world "works", that would probably be one of the first lessons you would have realized. Growing frustrated is not demonstrating your "complete capability to cope".
Quote:
im no different then any of you, i just feel i have an enlightened soul and a profound purpose on this earth because of that, nothing else
Don't worry about it, everyone gets delusions of grandeur from time to time. Honestly, I'd suspect that, if you hadn't read some lofty notion of their being old souls in the first place, on some website such as ZetaTalk, then you would have never gotten the "feeling".
Ultimately, the idea of being an old soul intrigued you, specificially because it made you feel better about yourself, granted you a sense of identity and fufillment that was possibly lacking beforehand, so you "felt" it.
Honestly, feelings do not substantiate any aspect of reality, and you will not be able to demonstrate the existance of a "soul", nor determine its age. It is simply a feeling, and the mind can generate whatever feeling it wishes and associate it with whatever crazy idea it wants.
I personally consider myself to have gained an increased understanding of the nature of reality, and am fairly intelligent, but yet I have never made myself feel as though I have some ancient soul that is more enlightened than others.
It doesn't make a lot of sense to say, "I'm no different than you", just that I have an older soul and actually have a profound purpose on here because of this difference. Hhhm... a difference is a difference, and you are pronouncing a distinct difference. If this feeling of yours is already promoting oversight and subtle hypocrisy, then it, quite honestly, isn't doing you any good but feeling your head with a sense of baseless self-importance.
Peace.
-------------------- If I should die this very moment I wouldn't fear For I've never known completeness Like being here Wrapped in the warmth of you Loving every breath of you
|
fireworks_god
Sexy.Butt.McDanger
Registered: 03/12/02
Posts: 24,855
Loc: Pandurn
Last seen: 1 year, 2 months
|
Re: are you an old soul? [Re: SoY]
#5788716 - 06/25/06 06:35 AM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
|
|
Quote:
SoY said: First off, one cannot produce concrete evidence simply because of the nature of the topic at hand. That should be obvious to you.
Exactly, the nature of the topic at hand directly pertains to notions and feelings that can be generated without any basis, its just a feeling, a sense that anyone can create for themselves.
The nature of the topic at hand is such that one simply cannot proclaim the feeling as representing any sort of truth of the matter. Perhaps that should be obvious to you...
You want to discuss something that cannot be demonstrated? All right, dude, I feel like I am God! Much more than an old soul, I'm so advanced that I'm actually God! I know it is true, and wish to discuss it with others, but it should be obvious that I cannnot produce evidence of this, but I'm going to assert it as truth to others anyways.
Quote:
I may not have an "old soul" but I definately am more spiritually advanced than some people.
Please, concepts of spirituality that are not egocentric in nature will plainly express that everyone is at different levels of the same path to higher awareness. You have no manner by which to judge "spiritual advancement", and the fact that you proclaim spiritual advancement beyond others demonstrates that you, quite honestly, are probably not very aware of the nature of reality.
Quote:
It should be obvious by the actions and encounters with the people of this earth that some have not evolved spiritually yet.
It is only obvious to those who have a sense of accomplishment in "spiritual evolution", those who wish to judge others in such a manner. Anyone who thinks through such a lens has much to learn on the path of "spiritual evolution".
Peace.
-------------------- If I should die this very moment I wouldn't fear For I've never known completeness Like being here Wrapped in the warmth of you Loving every breath of you
|
fireworks_god
Sexy.Butt.McDanger
Registered: 03/12/02
Posts: 24,855
Loc: Pandurn
Last seen: 1 year, 2 months
|
Re: are you an old soul? [Re: SoY]
#5788720 - 06/25/06 06:40 AM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
|
|
Quote:
SoY said: To me having an old soul just means that you are better able to consciously cope with the whole idea of the oneness...
Quote:
You are more self-aware and somewhat evolved past the point which others who just don't get it are at. Don't deny it. We all know people who just aren't as spiritually evolved as we are. They live for earthly pleasures, are selfish, and have extreme difficulty seeing things from someone else's point of view.
So someone with an old soul is someone who consciously understands the oneness while proclaiming bullshit about being more evolved than others, issuing divisive statements that seperate and distinguish those selfish assholes who have difficulty seeing things from other's points of view? I truly wonder who is more selfish, especially those who simply cannot see, understand, and have compassion for their point of view...
Honestly, anyone who truly understood wouldn't fill their heads with selfish notions of superiority, and would truly work at understanding why others are at where they are at, and would interact with reality in a manner that would benefit the advancement of understanding in others, instead of patting themselves on the back for being such an accomplished soul. Once again, I wonder who is actually selfish...
Peace.
-------------------- If I should die this very moment I wouldn't fear For I've never known completeness Like being here Wrapped in the warmth of you Loving every breath of you
|
BlueCoyote
Beyond
Registered: 05/07/04
Posts: 6,697
Loc: Between
Last seen: 3 years, 2 months
|
|
Perhaps you have to reword your statement from spiritual to more philosophical terms. Some here have an allergic reaction as soon some words like 'soul' or 'god' arise, their jalousies get closed
|
|