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Lion
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Vocalizing on salvia
#5780491 - 06/22/06 01:26 PM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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I have a few questions regarding vocalizing after smoking Salvia divinorum. I smoke salvia daily as an aid in meditation. I'm sure experienced salvia users here are aware of the mechanical, pulsing, jittery quality that sound and movement can take on at the height of the experience. My question to you is this: has anyone experienced bouts of loud glossolalia or other uncontrollable vocalization while under the influence of salvia? This is particularly addressed to those who "break through" into salvia-space. Are you able to control all of your vocalizations? Are you able to retain a calm center (in terms of your physical presense, i.e. remaining still and silent) while your world is imploding and metamorphosing around you?
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Re: Vocalizing on salvia [Re: Lion]
#5780633 - 06/22/06 02:21 PM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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i became the wall i was leaning against... and all i could say was help... i felt like i was a non living wall and it was scary as hell. i then layed on the stairs and saw my body in the shape of the stairs... it was one of the scariest things of my life, because at the time, i forgot that i smoked salvia... but i dont regret doin it, and id like to try again.
at the time, i couldnt say a thing except for help... i didnt think anyone could hear me, i thought i would become the wall forever... when i look back it was one of the funniest hallucinations of my life. sorry if this doesnt have much to do with the topic... i just wanted to get it off my back
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Re: Vocalizing on salvia [Re: danlennon3]
#5781014 - 06/22/06 04:32 PM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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Thanks dan, your description of your experience has everything to do with this topic. 
Do you remember at all the nature of the "help" vocalization? Did the word sound normal to you, mechanical, alien? Did you see an image of that word? I totally understand that you probably don't remember. I'm just trying to get a grasp here on a theme that salvia has revealed to me.
Also, I wonder what it would be like to be a wall. Probably not too bad once you get used to it.
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Re: Vocalizing on salvia [Re: Lion]
#5781128 - 06/22/06 05:14 PM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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I rarely talked on Salvia when introducing it to or using it with friends. But when solo, I remember talking; usually it was non-sensical and rarely would have been considered english. Words that were in english usually had no connection to each other. Also, lots of mumbling.
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Re: Vocalizing on salvia [Re: Lion]
#5781891 - 06/22/06 08:45 PM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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first and only time i did salvia i was in way over my head. i did 17x and i took 3 huuuuuuuuge hits, and before i knew it i was jerked violently into another reality. actually, i should say that there was about 2.5 - 3 minutes after my third hit until i was actually tripping. don't know where that time went, i must have been tripping too hard because i have no memory of it.
but my life was split into a kaleidoscope, but not in visual terms, but more like my life was split into infinite realities. i don't want to just go ahead and say i broke through, but i don't know what else this could have been. i was out there. i was staring at my girlfriends face and i had no idea what she was, what sight was, whether i was even anything. she was just a feminine life force after a while. and thats after i got a grip on things. i had no idea i was tripping.
i was in my dorm room sitting on an air mattress, sitting upright, and for a while i thought i was laying with my face on the floor of my parents' house and that i had gotten hurt and taken to the hospital and now it was over. when i came to, i my entire leg was soaked.
but, fortunately, i had not pissed my pants. i had kicked the gravity bong in my trance.
anyway, about sound: when i started to even conprehend sound, it was very metallic and droning. but what i remember most is saying "wait....wait i think i get it now.....wait.......wait..... wait...."
once i realized i was on salvia, i look at her (both our first time) and say "wait.... you're going to do this? no! you can't! don't come here!" it was pretty dramatic, barely knowing whats happening and yelling across a separation of realities.
but my voice was going up and down like a detuned radio. she later told me i was talking normally when i said that.
so whatever that's worth, i perceived my own voice as drastically rising and falling in pitch
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Re: Vocalizing on salvia [Re: mmarc]
#5782022 - 06/22/06 09:34 PM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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I remember...Za-Za-Boo-Boo. something from a solo trip. Whenever I do salvia I always get this very strong feeling that I'm not going to be back to the reality I once knew, because everything was torn from me so fast. mmarc, that's funny about you telling your girlfriend that. When I'd be doing it with other people, I'd look at them and start telling them "You need to come here! You need to be here with me! Come into the world!" One time a friend of mine and I smoked some 10x within 3 minutes of each other. My friend was coming down and I was in my peak and we were speaking in complete gibberish. And I have a video of me on salvia, my voice was going up and down like a radio. And in my head I thought I was talking normal. I was just trying to figure out how to work those damn headphones haha
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Re: Vocalizing on salvia [Re: shroomanic]
#5782359 - 06/22/06 11:08 PM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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haha it sounds like me and you have opposite salvia trips. my voice is normal but seems to change, your voice changes and seems to stay normal, you tell people across the great divide to come while i was warning them to stay away.
but the thing is, i dont doubt that i did a little too much for my first time. i felt like i was in a vice. i actually neglected to mention in my post that i hated it while it was happening and for the short time right after it, but i am curious again.
id like to try a smaller dose
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Re: Vocalizing on salvia [Re: mmarc]
#5782526 - 06/22/06 11:59 PM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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Though i didnt necessarily breakthrough, i was borderline tripping (in the sense that i felt very out of the world and "melty") I kept on trying to say stuff to the people around me and was very frustrated that i couldnt explain or say the right words.
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Re: Vocalizing on salvia [Re: Phishe]
#5782967 - 06/23/06 03:50 AM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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between not enough and way too much salvinorin (or other psychedelic for that matter) you can find some very interesting layered and merged experiences.
the vistas are familiar (from dreams?) the combinations of vision/sensation are precious enrichments.
we enter states of mind with layered mentation that can smooth combined things into new elegant shapes.
it smooths meanings into new inspirations, and some words are smoothed together into new words.
it all makes sense at the time while the associated layers co-exist, during synaesthesia, it is what it is. it hangs together well.
back in this flatter world, it is rare to find another being who's mental state is geared up to receive and resonate at an equivalent complexity of layered moments and smoothness of image assembly.
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redgreenvines said: between not enough and way too much salvinorin (or other psychedelic for that matter) you can find some very interesting layered and merged experiences.
the vistas are familiar (from dreams?) the combinations of vision/sensation are precious enrichments.
we enter states of mind with layered mentation that can smooth combined things into new elegant shapes.
it smooths meanings into new inspirations, and some words are smoothed together into new words.
it all makes sense at the time while the associated layers co-exist, during synaesthesia, it is what it is. it hangs together well.
back in this flatter world, it is rare to find another being who's mental state is geared up to receive and resonate at an equivalent complexity of layered moments and smoothness of image assembly.
Very intersting post.......well put.
I have tried to make drone-like sounds while on salvia and my experience seems to react to it. Not like music though. Its beyond words. Myself, being a musician find the effects of self induced "noises" to be very interesting. I could actually talk forever about this subject. The subject for me would certainly delve into the silent noise that you can project into the complex audio fabric by mimicking its sounds.
You may or may not be able to communicate with it in some way.
Ive got to go, but would love to hear others explain their experiences with this later.
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Re: Vocalizing on salvia [Re: stemmer]
#5783228 - 06/23/06 08:42 AM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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Last night I smoked some 20x with the intention of meditating.
My room became dark green and purple (colors I associate strongly with mushroom trips, but which here I associated with witchcraft of some kind). I strongly sensed a female aura, and another more subtle presence, trying to pull me out my window. It was a weak attempt to do so, I recall thinking, and I said aloud, "Is that it?"
A few minutes later, I casually told my window fan, "You can go with them if you'd like."
The front of a huge thunder storm was rolling into my town at around the time the initial blast was fading. I sat and stared at the sky with the distinct impression that an alien was waiting to emerge from the lightning-streaked cloud cover. I contemplated going into a large field across from my house with a bowl of 20x and attempting to communicate with the awesome and terrifying force whose aura I felt in the massive storm clouds.
This sensation passed, and I spent the rest of the night in a half-sleeping, quasi-meditative shamanic reverie. Very good stuff.
redgreenvines, I agree with what you're saying. I think salvia gets a bad rap in the psychedelic community. I for one have found all of its effects, from the threshold to full-on entry into Salvia-space, to be totally worthwhile.
One of my favorite activities on salvia is yogic stretching. I find that after a particularly intense experience, in the long and strange afterglow, I am totally in tune with the rhythms of my body, and am able to concentrate on deep breathing. When I emerge I do so with a heightened sense of the aura of objects -- I often see what I perceived to be time-creases and unfolding patterns where a 'sober' person might see dull inanimation.
I wouldn't mind this thread turning into a philosophical discussion of the nature of Salvia divinorum's revelations. Surely we can all agree that, especially for new users, salvia is often unpleasant at its height and utterly incomprehensible at its conclusion. I was baffled by what my first trip -- drinking an ungodly amount of bitter, vile tea made of ~1/4 oz. dried leaves -- 'meant'; the only lesson I took away from it was, "Don't ever take physical comfort for granted", because the trip itself was so physically and mentally uncomfortable.
Anyway, I hope that any salvia users who happen upon this thread will condescend to regail us with tails of their herbal journeys.
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Re: Vocalizing on salvia [Re: Lion]
#5783651 - 06/23/06 12:15 PM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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When I was in salvia-space I talked many things. Like "I'm not ready" repeated few times.
On non-verbal levels. Salvia starts so fast that you can't even tell what happens. Your mind desperately seeks ANYTHING that you can identify as yourself. I naturally try to reassure myself with feeling ground. The problem is that I have no body that could feel the ground or this body is distorted or morphed. If I maintain vision I start looking for something that I could recognize to feel safer. Anyone saw Space Odyssey 2001 by Arthur C. Clark? At the end there is this scene in which main character flies in a fantastic tunnel. The face of this character (forgot name, sorry) is just like mine - scarred but astonished. Then advices starts. "Lie calm, relax". Then I feel an unique sensation of falling into salvia-space. This is very intense. Like waterfall. At this point my body is able to lie down my bowl without setting fire. I don't know how, though Man... Can even ayahuasca compete with Salvia?
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Re: Vocalizing on salvia [Re: Kras]
#5783671 - 06/23/06 12:24 PM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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Kras said: When I was in salvia-space I talked many things. Like "I'm not ready" repeated few times.
On non-verbal levels. Salvia starts so fast that you can't even tell what happens. Your mind desperately seeks ANYTHING that you can identify as yourself. I naturally try to reassure myself with feeling ground. The problem is that I have no body that could feel the ground or this body is distorted or morphed. If I maintain vision I start looking for something that I could recognize to feel safer. Anyone saw Space Odyssey 2001 by Arthur C. Clark? At the end there is this scene in which main character flies in a fantastic tunnel. The face of this character (forgot name, sorry) is just like mine - scarred but astonished. Then advices starts. "Lie calm, relax". Then I feel an unique sensation of falling into salvia-space. This is very intense. Like waterfall. At this point my body is able to lie down my bowl without setting fire. I don't know how, though Man... Can even ayahuasca compete with Salvia?
I can relate to the experience you describe.
I think ayahuasca tends not to be as jarring a shift into another dimension -- particularly if you are being guided by an experienced shaman. My intuition is that it is more similar to a psilocybin experience than a salvinorin. I think the only thing that could compete with the intensity of a full-on salvia trip would be smoked or intravenously-taken DMT, neither of which I have had the privilege of trying as yet. I suppose any major psychedelic could yield trans-dimensional experience in high enough quanitities, but the length and sheer intensity of the experience would probably render it even less accessible/integrable than a short salvia or DMT experience.
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Re: Vocalizing on salvia [Re: Lion]
#5784019 - 06/23/06 02:28 PM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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bug said: Do you remember at all the nature of the "help" vocalization? Did the word sound normal to you, mechanical, alien? Did you see an image of that word? I totally understand that you probably don't remember. I'm just trying to get a grasp here on a theme that salvia has revealed to me.
Also, I wonder what it would be like to be a wall. Probably not too bad once you get used to it.
first off i didnt remember repeating help until i came down and my friends told me... it wasnt too alien sounding, just a whimpers of help. at the time, being a wall was very frightening, i felt so lifeless. my body turned to cement and i remember feeling like a tin man.i had my arms up against the wall with a lighter in one hand and a bowl in the other.i dropped the lighter and managed to hand the bowl to someone.OH YEA, at the time i was also on a low dose of lsd.
im glad i went through it... it was a true test of the mind and i did great. i love losing my mind on hallucinogens . I cant wait to try it again... this time i will be much more prepared. i would like to lean on a tree on lay on the grass this time. i would love to morph into a tree on the ground
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Re: Vocalizing on salvia [Re: Lion]
#5784115 - 06/23/06 03:05 PM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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bug said:
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Kras said: When I was in salvia-space I talked many things. Like "I'm not ready" repeated few times.
On non-verbal levels. Salvia starts so fast that you can't even tell what happens. Your mind desperately seeks ANYTHING that you can identify as yourself. I naturally try to reassure myself with feeling ground. The problem is that I have no body that could feel the ground or this body is distorted or morphed. If I maintain vision I start looking for something that I could recognize to feel safer. Anyone saw Space Odyssey 2001 by Arthur C. Clark? At the end there is this scene in which main character flies in a fantastic tunnel. The face of this character (forgot name, sorry) is just like mine - scarred but astonished. Then advices starts. "Lie calm, relax". Then I feel an unique sensation of falling into salvia-space. This is very intense. Like waterfall. At this point my body is able to lie down my bowl without setting fire. I don't know how, though Man... Can even ayahuasca compete with Salvia?
I can relate to the experience you describe.
I think ayahuasca tends not to be as jarring a shift into another dimension -- particularly if you are being guided by an experienced shaman. My intuition is that it is more similar to a psilocybin experience than a salvinorin. I think the only thing that could compete with the intensity of a full-on salvia trip would be smoked or intravenously-taken DMT, neither of which I have had the privilege of trying as yet. I suppose any major psychedelic could yield trans-dimensional experience in high enough quanitities, but the length and sheer intensity of the experience would probably render it even less accessible/integrable than a short salvia or DMT experience.
Psilocin is 4HO-DMT (or something similar)
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Re: Vocalizing on salvia [Re: EquilibriuM]
#5784268 - 06/23/06 04:04 PM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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When people talk to me while i am on Salvia, they sound like aliens. I don't like people talking to me while i'm on Salvia. :\
I have spoken a few times while on it, it is very hard to communicate. The words that i make with my mouth make sense, but the sound that my ears hear are nonsensical, if that makes sense. 
I have also felt led to say things, almost like other people were controlling my mouth.
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