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OfflineEWalter69
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Peruvian Torch Dosage
    #5779063 - 06/22/06 12:57 AM (17 years, 7 months ago)

I recently obtained a cut of fresh Peruvian Torch cactus. I did a lot of google searching and the general consensus seemed to be that fresh Peruvian is about .12% mescaline. I also read in several places that 150mg is a good "threshold" dose of mescaline. To test it out, I ate 5.9 ounces of the fresh material (which works out to 200 mg mescaline if my math is correct) but felt no effects. Have I been misinformed? Is it normal to get no effects at this dosage? I wasn't expecting enything intense, just some mild effects to "test the water". Can anyone suggest a better dosage or tell me what they think might be the problem?


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Re: Peruvian Torch Dosage [Re: EWalter69]
    #5779083 - 06/22/06 01:05 AM (17 years, 7 months ago)

If your cacti is even 3 inches thick it only takes 2 feet to trip in a way ranging from pretty nice and relaxing, to insane and unwanted.

Know your cacti before you take a big dose. You likely have some shitty young cacti.

I dont know how many ounces of inner green material makes up one foot. SO I cant really help you.

My method is to eat the green innerds except the core. While doing so I boil the skins and a small part of the core. That has obvious trippy effects when using only one foot or less.
2 feet of good pedro can potentially kick your ass.


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Re: Peruvian Torch Dosage [Re: stemmer]
    #5779576 - 06/22/06 05:06 AM (17 years, 7 months ago)

yeah im with the stemdog on this one. i have a great cactus of the san pedro variety and i ate 14 inches and had a level 3 to low level 4 trip off it... i didnt even think it would work!


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Re: Peruvian Torch Dosage [Re: LedHead]
    #5779667 - 06/22/06 06:11 AM (17 years, 7 months ago)

I took about 30g-50g of perupowder once and it went pretty insane, and 30g was what I thought I ate but im not sure so I say 30g-50g. Its great thought when things dont start going out of control...very sedative.

the quality of each cacti differs greatly and its pretty easy to find out if yours is weak once you eat it. I found out my product was very good quality and had the most intense mescaline trip I ever had. I love mescaline  :heart:.


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Re: Peruvian Torch Dosage [Re: Muppet69_420]
    #5779972 - 06/22/06 09:50 AM (17 years, 7 months ago)

SWIM says that 5.9 oz of fresh was not enough, that was approx 9-10 grams dried which is at least a quarter of what you need. There is a lot of bunk torch out there, very inconsistent in strength.


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Re: Peruvian Torch Dosage [Re: johnhenry]
    #5780185 - 06/22/06 11:20 AM (17 years, 7 months ago)

What's a good dosage for a level one or two trip?


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Re: Peruvian Torch Dosage [Re: EWalter69]
    #5780295 - 06/22/06 11:51 AM (17 years, 7 months ago)

Swim says you will most like need at least a pound of fresh torch(at least 1ft long, 2-3inch in diameter) to have any fun. Here again it all depends on potency of said torch. If using dry flesh 30-40grams minimum unless very good quality. Swims experience is that san pedro is much more reliable as far as potency than torch.


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Re: Peruvian Torch Dosage [Re: johnhenry]
    #5780397 - 06/22/06 12:28 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

from what I've heard p. torch can offer around .7% to 1.5% mescaline and mescaline like alkaloids. peyote seems to average around 2% or less, and pedro is a bit less or on par with p. torch.


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Re: Peruvian Torch Dosage [Re: HeadTripVertigo]
    #5780644 - 06/22/06 02:24 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

For Thrichocerus pachanoi, 1,000 grams and up of fresh cactus is what makes SWIM trip. But not all cactus will deliver that. Seems like a cactus will produce enough for a good dose each year.


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Re: Peruvian Torch Dosage [Re: Mourningdove]
    #5782456 - 06/22/06 11:40 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

All I know is that 2 oz dry is enough for a very experienced psyconaut.. I usually prefer a dose along the lines of 1oz with some good ol' Mary jne


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Re: Peruvian Torch Dosage [Re: Weebl8bob]
    #5782581 - 06/23/06 12:18 AM (17 years, 7 months ago)

Well, I have about 1200 grams of cactus left. What would be a good dosage for a first timer? Would eating the whole thing be too much?


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Re: Peruvian Torch Dosage [Re: EWalter69]
    #5784204 - 06/23/06 03:38 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

Go for it. You will definitely find out if it is any good. Prep 1st, set and setting, in case you find youself on a good ride. Peace


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Re: Peruvian Torch Dosage [Re: johnhenry]
    #5784265 - 06/23/06 04:02 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

I recently purchased a 12" cutting of Pedro (for a friend) and a 12" cutting of P. Torch for myself. The Pedro was actually 14" and my Peruvian, when measured, was a lousy 11". I think it was a young one and that's all there was since I didn't get off at all. It was 1.9 lbs. fresh before cutting it up and 1.6 lbs. afterwards.

I would agree though that San Pedro is much more consistent as far as potency goes. I tripped pretty nice off a mature foot of that. Just cut it up, blended it and chugged it. It's difficult but with a few doritos after every chug you can do it in a half hour to an hour.


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Re: Peruvian Torch Dosage [Re: truffleupagus]
    #5786905 - 06/24/06 04:15 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

has anyone tried this method of preparation? Would it work?


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Re: Peruvian Torch Dosage [Re: EWalter69]
    #5786919 - 06/24/06 04:24 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

That sounds like a pretty damn good method to me.

Id probably use it the next time I ate some pedro. If done right you shouldnt loose much mescaline.

I have actually just skined them and blended the greens/ then drank the snot with some added lemon juice. Then boiled the skins(which produces little snot if anything). I have never ingested any significant amount of core unless I added it to the "skin soup" just for the hell of it..

His method is interesting because he uses the whole cacti, not just the greens and skins.


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Re: Peruvian Torch Dosage [Re: stemmer]
    #5786943 - 06/24/06 04:35 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

Adding an acid like Lemon Juice while doing the blending and boiling of the cacti would be beneficial I would think.


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Re: Peruvian Torch Dosage [Re: Jaeger]
    #5786971 - 06/24/06 04:45 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

I did it for the taste, not the effect. It helps the snot taste alot better. ANd when you use only the greens and the skins, you wont end up with too much snot anyways. The core is of little value.


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Re: Peruvian Torch Dosage [Re: stemmer]
    #5787057 - 06/24/06 05:27 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

Not only will it make it taste better, but it will help to ensure that the mesc is in its acidic form where it is water soluable.
Also, all parts of the cacti do in fact to have mesc (the core to a lesser degree, but it is still there). Even the cores, so if possible it is best to grind up the whole thing.


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Re: Peruvian Torch Dosage [Re: Jaeger]
    #5787071 - 06/24/06 05:35 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

I have one San Pedro I've been growing for about a year now, and I know that the original cuttings I grew it from were too young to get anything out of them. I also have a Peruvian Torch that I just got in today, a 6" cutting from a "mature" cactus. I was wondering if anyone could tell me how long it will take for either cactus to be old enough to harvest; assuming I don't want to destroy either one completely.


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