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Feelers
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Edibility/Psychoactivity of Hygrocybe conica (the witch's hat)
#5778905 - 06/22/06 12:19 AM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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After a report from horseonsandhill about eating these and reporting a definate sensation, a quick check to see how poisonous they were actually created more questions than it answered.

It would seem from www.mushroomexpert.com that the only poisonous report(and this one is a deadly report) from these mushrooms comes from 1917 preindustrial China. Not exactly the best place for an accurate ID. 
It seems there are people who have eaten these and reported them edible. Also it seems that they are psychoactive too. It looks like these had their reputation ruined by the China "ID" so long ago that noone really knows what the deal is.
It sounds to me like these are "edible", horseonsandhill didnt report any poisonous effects, only psychoactive ones.
MushroomJohn or anyone else have any thoughts? If they popped up I think I'd probably give them a trial run, (very low dose).
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Re: Edibility/Psychoactivity of Hygrocybe conica (the witch's hat) [Re: Feelers]
#5778977 - 06/22/06 12:37 AM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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That would be an interesting story if they are found out to be non-poisonous and even more interesting if they are psychoactive. Very neat looking mushroom.
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Re: Edibility/Psychoactivity of Hygrocybe conica (the witch's hat) [Re: Feelers]
#5779011 - 06/22/06 12:45 AM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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(It would seem from www.mushroomexpert.com that the only poisonous report(and this one is a deadly report) from these mushrooms comes from 1917 preindustrial China. Not exactly the best place for an accurate ID.) - I thought i read about some deaths that happened later in someones reply too, maybe im mistaken. However i could be wrong. Basically, Feelers until i found out that this is the debated poisonous mushroom " Hygrocybe Conica" otherwise called; witch caps... I THOUGHT THIS WAS A MAGIC MUSHROOM, a new species maybe, unfound, unchartered!!!!!-hence my ignorance in posting what i thought would be a completely new strain....... id love it to be TESTED for similarities to Active Magics.... Surely there must be a way of doing this, even if it is via a scientist/mycologist in a laboratory.. someone must be keen to no more. Like me! Could be a breakthrough, i can honestly say that it is psychoactive, i just can't say whether its the same chemicals inside it.. and whether it s safe to induce a larger dosage. the variations in strain could kill you alone i guess if people have died, so maybe you would want to come and get one of the exact ones i have tried for ingestion..... don't all magics have a relation in chemical structure to the serotonin in our brains... could it be a similar structure to the make up of all other magics, just an exception to the norm....>>?
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Re: Edibility/Psychoactivity of Hygrocybe conica (the witch's hat) [Re: ]
#5779039 - 06/22/06 12:51 AM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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I thought it is the coolest looking magic you could find others might think otherwise.... Amazing the variety of colours it produces... when touched the staining is amazing.....its not black... at first.. anyhow... more purple green going black... also these puppies need it super wet and super cold thats what they seem to like!!! I love this NEw Shroom!!! Gives my soul new inspiration.... aswell as HOPE!
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Re: Edibility/Psychoactivity of Hygrocybe conica (the witch's hat) [Re: ]
#5779054 - 06/22/06 12:55 AM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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I can't believe no posts of others ingestion yet, am i and my two friends quite possibly the only 3 to consume this mushroom , enjoy the effects and come out alive in recent times, as in the last 10 years or are people out there trying this thing... err can anyone help me.... WHATS UP DOC??? mj come help us..... please...
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Re: Edibility/Psychoactivity of Hygrocybe conica (the witch's hat) [Re: ]
#5779075 - 06/22/06 01:02 AM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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look at my picture,to me it looks active in shape and colour... to you, doesn't it look active as well!!!!!!!!!! As a mushroom enthusiast, i could sorta imagine what the effect would be like if consumption took place.. by imagining in my mind using speculation and polyangulation by some out-there sub-conscious guidance of the soul. Basically going by a feeling can sometimes be an amazing thing in itself....i consumed this cap in a tea, with pleasant results-
Edited by Horseonsandhill (06/22/06 01:05 AM)
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Re: Edibility/Psychoactivity of Hygrocybe conica (the witch's hat) [Re: ]
#5779081 - 06/22/06 01:04 AM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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I wonder, If these are active maybe the Bertrandia astatogala are also. I have found and picked both species and the bruising in Bertrandia astatogala is more intense than Hygrocybe conica...hmmm! Research should be done. inski.
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Re: Edibility/Psychoactivity of Hygrocybe conica (the witch's hat) [Re: inski]
#5779101 - 06/22/06 01:12 AM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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Hiya Inski...Are Bertrandia astatogala the striped mushroom i saw that is very similar to the hygrocybe in shape, espiecially i noted it to be the same shape in all stages of growth....from your pictures i could see the blatent similarities between your find and mine... almost comicle similarities... im sure that we can find out .... eventually, whether this is a valuable mushroom....sacred and loving just like all the others......
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Re: Edibility/Psychoactivity of Hygrocybe conica (the witch's hat) [Re: ]
#5779115 - 06/22/06 01:17 AM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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I think it Deserves to be called a Witch cap or hat....it is very fitting, isnt it. Purely because of its extreme similarities to that of the pointedness of a witches caps. Also in relation to that comment i found that when i cam e across these amazingly colorful mushrooms they captivated me instantly, like you'd expect a mythical witch too if they existed .... anyone else feel that way on stumbling upon the WITCHES CAP....
Edited by Horseonsandhill (06/22/06 04:23 AM)
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Re: Edibility/Psychoactivity of Hygrocybe conica (the witch's hat) [Re: ]
#5779125 - 06/22/06 01:23 AM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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Re: Edibility/Psychoactivity of Hygrocybe conica (the witch's hat) [Re: ]
#5779134 - 06/22/06 01:28 AM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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Maybe i misunderstood, but you consumed this mushroom ofter getting a 'feeling' it was active?... You are a brave person..
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Re: Edibility/Psychoactivity of Hygrocybe conica (the witch's hat) [Re: slaterbot]
#5779139 - 06/22/06 01:30 AM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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HAHA HEll YEs I am quite into my GUT FEELINGS... ... Bloody lucky... could of died...
Edited by Horseonsandhill (06/22/06 01:32 AM)
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Re: Edibility/Psychoactivity of Hygrocybe conica (the witch's hat) [Re: ]
#5779152 - 06/22/06 01:35 AM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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More so i thought it Looked to good to be true... But then what is goodness and what is truth.... I Went looking for a different strain of mushie actually one mentioned to be found in the sandhills of taranaki... and i found them... just not the ones from taras... had my inner instincts with me and made a split second decision they were good to consume, my mind works like this.... i wouldnt go eating a bright red mushroom now would i....
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Re: Edibility/Psychoactivity of Hygrocybe conica (the witch's hat) [Re: ]
#5779178 - 06/22/06 01:45 AM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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however the subject of the matter is that little people, or no one, has been bothered to investigate the effects of this mushroom on the human mind.....in recent history, can anyone confirm any other ingestion reports of this fantastic specimen apart from the chef who felt a buzz... but didn't obviously know the first thing about magics.... wouldn't he, surely.... of documented his amazing find... maybe he had no desire to document his finds..... some people are like that....hrrrrmmm i fully considering another ingestion, however i find other mushies to be so much more appealing right now with all the poisonous calls.... Wicked Times 4 hygrocybe conica... I'm sure its quietly chuckling away at us... LAUGHING
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Re: Edibility/Psychoactivity of Hygrocybe conica (the witch's hat) [Re: ]
#5779405 - 06/22/06 02:56 AM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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Bertrandia astatogala is the colourfull mushroom in my post called "Help with id of very colourfull Coprinus species" (Not a Coprinus species) previously named Hygrocybe astatogala! Can anyone tell me why the name was changed? inski.
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Re: Edibility/Psychoactivity of Hygrocybe conica (the witch's hat) [Re: inski]
#5779694 - 06/22/06 06:35 AM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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This details the regions that the mushroom grows: http://nzfungi.landcareresearch.co.nz/html/data_descriptions.asp?ID=33-WNN-95&NAMEPKey=858 "Notes: The lectotype of this striking species, originally collected in Madagascar, was studied (Horak 1968: 118) and compared with the N.Z. material. No apparent differences were found. According to our present knowledge B. astatogala Heim occurs in the tropical-subtropical belt of Africa (Cameroon, Congo, Madagascar) and SE-Asia (Philippines, New Zealand)."
Looks like this site has a check-list of traits (phenotypes) for specific orders, family, and genus that then indicate with a key, which species or lower taxonomic category display the trait. http://nzfungi.landcareresearch.co.nz/html/data_keys.asp?ID=33-WNN-95&NAMEPKey=858
Names Details for: Bertrandia astatogala http://nzfungi.landcareresearch.co.nz/html/data_names.asp?TID=858&ID=33-WNN-95&NAMEPKey=29687
Names Details for: Hygrocybe astatogala http://nzfungi.landcareresearch.co.nz/html/data_names.asp?TID=858&ID=33-WNN-95&NAMEPKey=17525
Hygrocybe and Bertrandia are both described as "wax gills".
....Wow, I so did not answer your question. I'm sorry. But I'm sure if you spend some time to understand these charts that the reason for re-classification may become more evident.... maybe not. Hehe
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Re: Edibility/Psychoactivity of Hygrocybe conica (the witch's hat) [Re: ]
#5780769 - 06/22/06 03:07 PM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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Yeah me and a friend of mine picked over 50 of these little suckers and then gobbled them all up. They have a very good taste to them although to tell you the truth i don't think there active seeing as how i dident get much from it. Then again i'd been drinking and smoking all day so what do i know? I did feel really good, but then again i felt really good while i was picking also which leeds me to beleave some resin and a couple beers was the culprit.., Then again now that i thnk of it my mushrooms might have been different ones? Mine looked EXACTLY the same but they were more of a bright RED than a bright orange. The older mushrooms seemed to lose there color and turn a brown/black color, but the younger ones were Bright Red with Orange/Yellow/Red stems... Could there be two mushrooms out there that look like this? Otherwise i doubt there poisonous, and they probly arent that active if at all.
Edited by PortAngeles (06/22/06 03:09 PM)
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Re: Edibility/Psychoactivity of Hygrocybe conica (the witch's hat) [Re: PortAngeles]
#5781846 - 06/22/06 08:30 PM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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Sounds like a distinctly different variety... but possibly similar.... i noticed that after they were boiled in a tea a bout a year ago they turned a crazy colour of black and white, as in dalmatian colour... now. Other Species such as SUbs..l do not go anything like this... Crazy stuff...
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Re: Edibility/Psychoactivity of Hygrocybe conica (the witch's hat) [Re: ]
#5781870 - 06/22/06 08:37 PM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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Over 50...... you mad dog...... man you must of felt something , maybe they were completely inactive......
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Re: Edibility/Psychoactivity of Hygrocybe conica (the witch's hat) [Re: ]
#5781877 - 06/22/06 08:40 PM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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The crazy colouring conica go after boiling the mushroom. It leaves me to beleive that they are not so safe for ingestion.... however maybe they are if you don't ingest a certainly large amount... Stranger how interesting, where, did you find these... they dont sound active.... you would of tripped out.....
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Re: Edibility/Psychoactivity of Hygrocybe conica (the witch's hat) [Re: ]
#5781887 - 06/22/06 08:42 PM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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however you might not of been able to distinguish the difference in feelings..... due to your imapaired state of mind at the time...... i would expect to feel alot on 50 of the conica i found...If not go crazy, 4ever.... so i dunno if you found the same one or not>???
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Re: Edibility/Psychoactivity of Hygrocybe conica (the witch's hat) [Re: ]
#5781898 - 06/22/06 08:47 PM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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plus they are debatebly deadly and so i think 50 of these... could possibly give you quite a sore stomach ... if not some intense vomiting.Although in my experiences i didnt feel any illness to speak off. theya are quite a slimey mushroom.. .and hard to get down... ahhhhhhhhh.... where is MJ, we need some help, surely he has ingested this mushroom... Or not>?
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Re: Edibility/Psychoactivity of Hygrocybe conica (the witch's hat) [Re: ]
#5781946 - 06/22/06 09:08 PM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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Hey Horse, why are there 5 of your posts in a row?? I've noticed this trend of yours throughout the threads, yet the number of posts listed under your name doesn't seem to rise, what is going on??
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Re: Edibility/Psychoactivity of Hygrocybe conica (the witch's hat) [Re: CureCat]
#5781960 - 06/22/06 09:14 PM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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HE started the thread and this is his XX post.
mj
Then numbers stay the same for even you if yuou make three in a row on the same thread.
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Re: Edibility/Psychoactivity of Hygrocybe conica (the witch's hat) [Re: mjshroomer]
#5782396 - 06/22/06 11:19 PM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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If you went back to your first post you ever made........its still going to show the up to date number of posts youve made.....as it will the up to date avatar(not the avatar you had when you made your first post)....will always show your up to date location, etc......only thing that wont change is date registered.....
Speaking of avatars.....you should watch that (oh...I see that you are).....cause those snails have very sharp eyes and will turn on you in an instant quik as lightning.....dont let that slow pace fool ya......its all a facade !
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Re: Edibility/Psychoactivity of Hygrocybe conica (the witch's hat) [Re: shroominDole]
#5782541 - 06/23/06 12:04 AM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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Ooooh oh, yeah i remember now, i totally forgot about that consistency of avatar and post #.
Hehehe, I like snails. 
I've already had to do my homework on snail sight, as I got in a disagreement with a friend and claimed that snails had poor eye sight hehehe.... The long appendages atop the snails body(head?), are tentacles, they are used to feel and move around and protect the snails eyes from damage, as the snail has poor eye sight. The smaller pokey things protruding from under the tentacles are the eyes.
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Re: Edibility/Psychoactivity of Hygrocybe conica (the witch's hat) [Re: ]
#5782764 - 06/23/06 01:46 AM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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Found them in native bush in Auckland. Only reason I thought they could be active was because you are so convinced that Hygrocybe conica is and these were called Hygrocybe astatogala. Like I said before I have picked both species and they both exhibit the same coloured bruising although Bertrandia astatogala bruises quicker and more intensely. I don't eat mushrooms unless I know they are edible. inski
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Re: Edibility/Psychoactivity of Hygrocybe conica (the witch's hat) [Re: CureCat]
#5782777 - 06/23/06 01:53 AM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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Thanks for that info Curecat, excellent  Havn't read it all yet but will tomorrow! inski.
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Re: Edibility/Psychoactivity of Hygrocybe conica (the witch's hat) [Re: inski]
#5783043 - 06/23/06 05:53 AM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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Sorry for the Extreme posting action my friends... don't mean to be annoying. Just not very used to using the computer.. from now on ill try not to post 5 posts in a row.... Had a bit of a sneaky sub affair tonight. Very Tasty! about 1 and a half hours in actually, Good Vibes... Hygrocybe conica aye?I guess the activeness of the species is debatable and that it may not be active at all... Maybe i Have a Sensitive mind....and that is all. However isn't the dalmatian effect after cooking strange? If it isn't poisonous and it isn't active, why does it change that weird colour? hmmm lets all just stick to what we know is good aye... though i still believe laboratory research needs to be done to conclude anything here...
Edited by Horseonsandhill (06/23/06 06:02 AM)
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Re: Edibility/Psychoactivity of Hygrocybe conica (the witch's hat) [Re: Feelers]
#13849296 - 01/25/11 05:28 PM (13 years, 6 days ago) |
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Feelers said: After a report from horseonsandhill about eating these and reporting a definate sensation, a quick check to see how poisonous they were actually created more questions than it answered.

It would seem from www.mushroomexpert.com that the only poisonous report(and this one is a deadly report) from these mushrooms comes from 1917 preindustrial China. Not exactly the best place for an accurate ID. 
It seems there are people who have eaten these and reported them edible. Also it seems that they are psychoactive too. It looks like these had their reputation ruined by the China "ID" so long ago that noone really knows what the deal is.
It sounds to me like these are "edible", horseonsandhill didnt report any poisonous effects, only psychoactive ones.
MushroomJohn or anyone else have any thoughts? If they popped up I think I'd probably give them a trial run, (very low dose).
hi feelers, i found sum the other day mainly red tops stain jet black an the older ones are already turnd black as bro ,sum aliltle goldy brown not many on a football feild ive had them identifeid and its defanetly them an told not to eat them, but id already had a few waited 4/5 hours nothing had about 50 small ones boild for 1 hour , had half waited nothing so throu the rest out couse that was a shitload ?? but about 4/5 days later i was as runny as bro no stomach ace but runny for a few days so there crap an give u the shits lol
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Re: Edibility/Psychoactivity of Hygrocybe conica (the witch's hat) [Re: madzz]
#13851824 - 01/26/11 12:49 AM (13 years, 6 days ago) |
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madzz - thanks for this.
I was wondering about these myself...
Def don't want the shits !
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Re: Edibility/Psychoactivity of Hygrocybe conica (the witch's hat) [Re: madzz]
#13852228 - 01/26/11 04:46 AM (13 years, 6 days ago) |
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1) This thread is more than 4 1/2 years old. 2) You eat unidentified mushrooms?
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Re: Edibility/Psychoactivity of Hygrocybe conica (the witch's hat) [Re: German Kahuna]
#13852547 - 01/26/11 08:00 AM (13 years, 5 days ago) |
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I guess next time I expect to be irregular in 4 or 5 days I'll look around for 50 or so of these.
Otherwise, I'll just enjoy looking at them.
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Re: Edibility/Psychoactivity of Hygrocybe conica (the witch's hat) [Re: Anonymous]
#23403519 - 07/02/16 09:15 AM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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strange that you menshion dalmatia.thats exacly where i found them in abudance .maybe they should be called h. dalmatia. if i had testing chemicals i would test them for psilocin.
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Re: Edibility/Psychoactivity of Hygrocybe conica (the witch's hat) [Re: ivo]
#23403535 - 07/02/16 09:20 AM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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ivo said: if i had testing chemicals i would test them for psilocin.
You won't find any tryptamines in this species, or any other Hygrocybe sp. for that matter.
Apart from that, this thread is more thant 10 years old.
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Re: Edibility/Psychoactivity of Hygrocybe conica (the witch's hat) [Re: Anglerfish]
#23403646 - 07/02/16 10:10 AM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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thanks. does anyone know what they contain.
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Re: Edibility/Psychoactivity of Hygrocybe conica (the witch's hat) [Re: ivo]
#23403777 - 07/02/16 11:14 AM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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if anything
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Re: Edibility/Psychoactivity of Hygrocybe conica (the witch's hat) [Re: ivo]
#23404146 - 07/02/16 01:32 PM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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Nothing. They contain nothing at all.
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Re: Edibility/Psychoactivity of Hygrocybe conica (the witch's hat) [Re: ivo]
#27449259 - 08/30/21 10:05 AM (2 years, 4 months ago) |
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I just ate a handful of them. They just relaxed my body/ muscles, and kinda made me happy. No stomach pain at all.
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Re: Edibility/Psychoactivity of Hygrocybe conica (the witch's hat) [Re: Chiefu33]
#27449575 - 08/30/21 01:54 PM (2 years, 4 months ago) |
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Chiefu33 said: I just ate a handful of them. They just relaxed my body/ muscles, and kinda made me happy. No stomach pain at all.
Placebo 100% as they contain NO ACTIVE ALKALOIDS OR INDOLES.
You didn't get anything but placebo, don't necro post, and stop eating possibly toxic mushrooms.
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Re: Edibility/Psychoactivity of Hygrocybe conica (the witch's hat) [Re: MentalPariah]
#27449614 - 08/30/21 02:23 PM (2 years, 4 months ago) |
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Haha lol what?
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Re: Edibility/Psychoactivity of Hygrocybe conica (the witch's hat) [Re: Moria841] 1
#27449634 - 08/30/21 02:34 PM (2 years, 4 months ago) |
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How many times must a thread be necroed
Before it is forever dead
The answer my friend
Is decillion times for fuck sake
The answer is decillion times for fuck sake
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