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Death by Mushrooms.
    #5776953 - 06/21/06 03:37 PM (18 years, 10 days ago)

Took this off of Bluelight.ru

http://www.bluelight.ru/vb/showthread.php?t=172630

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read in another thread about someone's friend ODing and dying from 22 grams of mushrooms. i just wanted to bring some attention to this because i feel that people on bluelight tend to vastly overstate the physical safetly of mushrooms and other psychedelics. i've read many posts saying that overdose is impossible. that you would need to eat over your body weight in mushrooms to have a chance of dying. to me it seems like there is real danger at far lower doses. similar with LSD. i've read many posts claiming you would need to ingest thousands of hits to risk death but if you take one hit to be 150 micrograms the LD50 comes out to only 80 hits (according to erowid). now i'm not trying to say that overdose is real danger from psychedelics (22 grams of shrooms and 80 of acid are much more than people typically consume) but i am wondering why people exagerate their safety so much. do any of you have friends who have suffered any health problems from high doses of psychedelics and if so could you share what happened?





Then it appears a friend of the kid whom died, actually also posts on Bluelight.ru.


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Just to add, it was my friend that died from eating 22 grams of shrooms. He did it on purpose to kill himself. (We know this because he wrote a note before hand and had it in his pocket)

He consumed nothing other than the 22 grams of shrooms that night and he didnt come out of it alive. He was 5'4" 102 lbs, 13 years old.

I know that it says on erowid that you must eat your own body weight in fresh shrooms to OD, but apparently this is not always the case.




I didn't get a chance to finish reading through the whole thread (it's about 5 pages) so I would definitley take a look at it and read through to find the exact verdict... that's if they came to a conclusion.

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Edited by BiG_StroOnZ (06/21/06 03:40 PM)

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Re: Death by Mushrooms. [Re: BiG_StroOnZ]
    #5776960 - 06/21/06 03:39 PM (18 years, 10 days ago)

how the hell does a 13 year old know where to get or even have the money for 22 grams of shrooms? good lord.

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Re: Death by Mushrooms. [Re: ackmess]
    #5776972 - 06/21/06 03:44 PM (18 years, 10 days ago)

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ackmess said:
how the hell does a 13 year old know where to get or even have the money for 22 grams of shrooms? good lord.




It's different these days, more kids are more willing to try stuff because they have more exposure. I know plenty of people who tripped when they were freshmen... it sucks because they learn about the world too quick and lose interest in their current obligations.

Also, it clearly says it was taken because he WANTED to die, as it was a suicide. Maybe this amount just helped him learn the world, in turn it was his own sanity that killed him... but that could be taken literally, meaning he broke down his own psyche or he physically did something in which encouraged his death.

Edited by BiG_StroOnZ (06/21/06 03:45 PM)

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Re: Death by Mushrooms. [Re: ackmess]
    #5776978 - 06/21/06 03:45 PM (18 years, 10 days ago)

Dude dont discuss here, the kids friend posted all the details in the original bluelight thread.. Discuss there

The one kid found a hookup for the 13 year old (it was his birthday) and he didnt know the 13 yr old was suicidal. The 13 yr old tried to OD off shroomz and succeeded..

My additional comments: While it is rare, in some cases, young children have been known to have consumed psilocybe cubensis and had liver problems result. It is assumed that the young livers are lacking a chemical that most full grown adults have. It has also been shown in laboratory testing that juvenile rats are more prone to OD than their adult counterparts due to Psilocin.


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Re: Death by Mushrooms. [Re: BiG_StroOnZ]
    #5776979 - 06/21/06 03:45 PM (18 years, 10 days ago)

You cant believe everything you hear. Since this is just some guy in another message board, you can't be 100 percent sure he's telling the truth. Or maybe there are other factors involved.

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Re: Death by Mushrooms. [Re: Phishe]
    #5776984 - 06/21/06 03:47 PM (18 years, 10 days ago)

On a more philosophical side, mabey the kid was given a choice on whether or not he wanted to live. Considering the dose he took i dont think that its improbable..


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Re: Death by Mushrooms. [Re: Weebl8bob]
    #5777018 - 06/21/06 04:00 PM (18 years, 10 days ago)

Yeah people exaggerate their safty on what could possible happen to them, I was argueing the case with this one dude about LSD, he said people could take a 1000 hits and eventually come out alright, much of the toxicity reports or information comes from Erowid, if Erowid says its alright then people are going argue up and down on the fact that Erowid said so. I told the dude and this poster about my friend going to nut house because he took to much acid, they just kept persisting in thinking that it was due to something else, or he was probably freaked out, people just don't get it really, just cause they read something, there so confodent,

22grams is still suprising that happened, but I could see it doing it,

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Re: Death by Mushrooms. [Re: capliberty] * 1
    #5777066 - 06/21/06 04:24 PM (18 years, 10 days ago)

Am I insensitive because I think that everything about that thread is a lie? I want an autopsy report and a list of other chemicals in his body which I bet contain massive amounts of anti-depressants.

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Re: Death by Mushrooms. [Re: thehandtruck]
    #5777084 - 06/21/06 04:28 PM (18 years, 10 days ago)

dude thats a horrible way to die, physically and especially MENTALLY

trip yourself to death?

i dunno what would be better, dead or being alive but so fucked up for the rest of your life

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Re: Death by Mushrooms. [Re: Atheist]
    #5777148 - 06/21/06 04:45 PM (18 years, 10 days ago)

I guess its sad, i wish i had fucking 22 grams of mushrooms, fucking kids with their drugs and rock music, what is society coming too!


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Re: Death by Mushrooms. [Re: johnypotsmoker]
    #5777213 - 06/21/06 05:08 PM (18 years, 10 days ago)

I don't care if a kid his age smokes a little pot every once in a while (I did) but getting into the heavier things like shrooms and LSD need to wait IMO. I didn't try anything above pot and alcohol untill I was 17 and I still havn't taken THAT much, its pretty sad that he did that.

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Re: Death by Mushrooms. [Re: ictoasnrnsigwt]
    #5777330 - 06/21/06 05:57 PM (18 years, 10 days ago)

I call bullshit or shenanigans or whatever

everybody has a friend that OD'ed on shrooms or acid or jumped out of a window because they thought they could fly.

imagine how much 22g of dried mushrooms is, could a kid eat that?

imagine what ones stomach feels like on 1/8th, could a kid keep 22g down?

imagine where a 13yr old kids gets 22g of dried mushrooms, could 1 poisonous shroom have gotten in the bag?

It seems pretty obvious this is bullshit. Psilos would be about the last chemicals that a coroner would test for, if that's even possible.

BULLSHIT

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Re: Death by Mushrooms. [Re: Nashbar]
    #5777335 - 06/21/06 05:59 PM (18 years, 10 days ago)

yeah he'd throw them up too right?

before they killed him theyd be in the toilet

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Re: Death by Mushrooms. [Re: ictoasnrnsigwt]
    #5777343 - 06/21/06 06:00 PM (18 years, 10 days ago)

Yeah I am suprised the kid got into shrooms at that age I mean,
I started smoking at like 13 evey once in a while, then at 14 I was stoned 24/7 then when I turned 15 I got into mushrooms and would trip like 3 times every other month, and then I got into acid while I was turning 16, But I feel now that I know too much about what the world really is like and how people really are, other than just there outside apperance, but hey I still do dumb shit and go to partys so I dont feel like i grew up to fast :wink:


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Re: Death by Mushrooms. [Re: MauiGanjaMonster]
    #5777349 - 06/21/06 06:02 PM (18 years, 10 days ago)

Good point Nashbar


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Re: Death by Mushrooms. [Re: MauiGanjaMonster]
    #5777352 - 06/21/06 06:03 PM (18 years, 10 days ago)

I don't know exactly the toxicity level of hallucinogens, but I don't imagine that one could really reach that level (a kid's body is different though, so I dunno). It had to have been a psychological decision to die and not an OD. Of course, I could be blinded by the truth.

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Re: Death by Mushrooms. [Re: BiG_StroOnZ]
    #5777356 - 06/21/06 06:03 PM (18 years, 10 days ago)

If the guy died from eating 22 grams of psilocybin mushrooms and nothing else, this is the first time I have ever heard of that. Based on LD50 (the dose at which 50% of the individuals die) studies done with rabbits and mice, the math works out to where it is physically impossible to eat enough mushrooms at once to produce lethal effects.

Obviously, if an individual has an underlying medical disorder, this could affect things. But if the person in fact died from eating 22 grams psiloc(yb)in mushrooms, this is the first time that has ever been documented -- unless I am unaware of something.

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Re: Death by Mushrooms. [Re: Land_Crab]
    #5777478 - 06/21/06 06:36 PM (18 years, 10 days ago)

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Land_Crab said:
If the guy died from eating 22 grams of psilocybin mushrooms and nothing else, this is the first time I have ever heard of that.  Based on LD50 (the dose at which 50% of the individuals die) studies done with rabbits and mice, the math works out to where it is physically impossible to eat enough mushrooms at once to produce lethal effects.




Perhaps half of the individuals die at that specific dose, but that, in no way, means that individuals do not or cannot die by consuming a smaller dose.

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Re: Death by Mushrooms. [Re: fireworks_god]
    #5777535 - 06/21/06 06:48 PM (18 years, 10 days ago)

isnt it possible that he was takwning imoa's or whatever they are called? cause dont they make the shrooms more potent? also dont quote me on this but i also believe that antipsycotics and stuff are imoa's. hope someone can correct my point cause i cant be assed looking it up, but i hope you know what i am talkiung about.


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Re: Death by Mushrooms. [Re: fireworks_god]
    #5777541 - 06/21/06 06:49 PM (18 years, 10 days ago)

I think i remember somewhere that while taking an MAOI (several common anti depressants) while taking some hallucinagenic drugs can lead to serotonin syndrome and can be dangerous, and can lead to hypertensive crisis and can be deadly. that possibly could have been the cause of death i tend to err on the side of bullshit till i see a toxicology screen, and liver enzyme test to prove that it was shroomies only

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