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BiG_StroOnZ


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Death by Mushrooms.
#5776953 - 06/21/06 03:37 PM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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Took this off of Bluelight.ru
http://www.bluelight.ru/vb/showthread.php?t=172630
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read in another thread about someone's friend ODing and dying from 22 grams of mushrooms. i just wanted to bring some attention to this because i feel that people on bluelight tend to vastly overstate the physical safetly of mushrooms and other psychedelics. i've read many posts saying that overdose is impossible. that you would need to eat over your body weight in mushrooms to have a chance of dying. to me it seems like there is real danger at far lower doses. similar with LSD. i've read many posts claiming you would need to ingest thousands of hits to risk death but if you take one hit to be 150 micrograms the LD50 comes out to only 80 hits (according to erowid). now i'm not trying to say that overdose is real danger from psychedelics (22 grams of shrooms and 80 of acid are much more than people typically consume) but i am wondering why people exagerate their safety so much. do any of you have friends who have suffered any health problems from high doses of psychedelics and if so could you share what happened?
Then it appears a friend of the kid whom died, actually also posts on Bluelight.ru.
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Just to add, it was my friend that died from eating 22 grams of shrooms. He did it on purpose to kill himself. (We know this because he wrote a note before hand and had it in his pocket)
He consumed nothing other than the 22 grams of shrooms that night and he didnt come out of it alive. He was 5'4" 102 lbs, 13 years old.
I know that it says on erowid that you must eat your own body weight in fresh shrooms to OD, but apparently this is not always the case.
I didn't get a chance to finish reading through the whole thread (it's about 5 pages) so I would definitley take a look at it and read through to find the exact verdict... that's if they came to a conclusion.
Edited by BiG_StroOnZ (06/21/06 03:40 PM)
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ackmess
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Re: Death by Mushrooms. [Re: BiG_StroOnZ]
#5776960 - 06/21/06 03:39 PM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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how the hell does a 13 year old know where to get or even have the money for 22 grams of shrooms? good lord.
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BiG_StroOnZ


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Re: Death by Mushrooms. [Re: ackmess]
#5776972 - 06/21/06 03:44 PM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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ackmess said: how the hell does a 13 year old know where to get or even have the money for 22 grams of shrooms? good lord.
It's different these days, more kids are more willing to try stuff because they have more exposure. I know plenty of people who tripped when they were freshmen... it sucks because they learn about the world too quick and lose interest in their current obligations.
Also, it clearly says it was taken because he WANTED to die, as it was a suicide. Maybe this amount just helped him learn the world, in turn it was his own sanity that killed him... but that could be taken literally, meaning he broke down his own psyche or he physically did something in which encouraged his death.
Edited by BiG_StroOnZ (06/21/06 03:45 PM)
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Weebl8bob
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Re: Death by Mushrooms. [Re: ackmess]
#5776978 - 06/21/06 03:45 PM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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Dude dont discuss here, the kids friend posted all the details in the original bluelight thread.. Discuss there
The one kid found a hookup for the 13 year old (it was his birthday) and he didnt know the 13 yr old was suicidal. The 13 yr old tried to OD off shroomz and succeeded..
My additional comments: While it is rare, in some cases, young children have been known to have consumed psilocybe cubensis and had liver problems result. It is assumed that the young livers are lacking a chemical that most full grown adults have. It has also been shown in laboratory testing that juvenile rats are more prone to OD than their adult counterparts due to Psilocin.
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Re: Death by Mushrooms. [Re: BiG_StroOnZ]
#5776979 - 06/21/06 03:45 PM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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You cant believe everything you hear. Since this is just some guy in another message board, you can't be 100 percent sure he's telling the truth. Or maybe there are other factors involved.
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Re: Death by Mushrooms. [Re: Phishe]
#5776984 - 06/21/06 03:47 PM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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On a more philosophical side, mabey the kid was given a choice on whether or not he wanted to live. Considering the dose he took i dont think that its improbable..
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Re: Death by Mushrooms. [Re: Weebl8bob]
#5777018 - 06/21/06 04:00 PM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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Yeah people exaggerate their safty on what could possible happen to them, I was argueing the case with this one dude about LSD, he said people could take a 1000 hits and eventually come out alright, much of the toxicity reports or information comes from Erowid, if Erowid says its alright then people are going argue up and down on the fact that Erowid said so. I told the dude and this poster about my friend going to nut house because he took to much acid, they just kept persisting in thinking that it was due to something else, or he was probably freaked out, people just don't get it really, just cause they read something, there so confodent,
22grams is still suprising that happened, but I could see it doing it,
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Re: Death by Mushrooms. [Re: capliberty] 1
#5777066 - 06/21/06 04:24 PM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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Am I insensitive because I think that everything about that thread is a lie? I want an autopsy report and a list of other chemicals in his body which I bet contain massive amounts of anti-depressants.
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Atheist
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dude thats a horrible way to die, physically and especially MENTALLY
trip yourself to death?
i dunno what would be better, dead or being alive but so fucked up for the rest of your life
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Re: Death by Mushrooms. [Re: Atheist]
#5777148 - 06/21/06 04:45 PM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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I guess its sad, i wish i had fucking 22 grams of mushrooms, fucking kids with their drugs and rock music, what is society coming too!
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I don't care if a kid his age smokes a little pot every once in a while (I did) but getting into the heavier things like shrooms and LSD need to wait IMO. I didn't try anything above pot and alcohol untill I was 17 and I still havn't taken THAT much, its pretty sad that he did that.
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I call bullshit or shenanigans or whatever
everybody has a friend that OD'ed on shrooms or acid or jumped out of a window because they thought they could fly.
imagine how much 22g of dried mushrooms is, could a kid eat that?
imagine what ones stomach feels like on 1/8th, could a kid keep 22g down?
imagine where a 13yr old kids gets 22g of dried mushrooms, could 1 poisonous shroom have gotten in the bag?
It seems pretty obvious this is bullshit. Psilos would be about the last chemicals that a coroner would test for, if that's even possible.
BULLSHIT
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Re: Death by Mushrooms. [Re: Nashbar]
#5777335 - 06/21/06 05:59 PM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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yeah he'd throw them up too right?
before they killed him theyd be in the toilet
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Yeah I am suprised the kid got into shrooms at that age I mean, I started smoking at like 13 evey once in a while, then at 14 I was stoned 24/7 then when I turned 15 I got into mushrooms and would trip like 3 times every other month, and then I got into acid while I was turning 16, But I feel now that I know too much about what the world really is like and how people really are, other than just there outside apperance, but hey I still do dumb shit and go to partys so I dont feel like i grew up to fast
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Good point Nashbar
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I don't know exactly the toxicity level of hallucinogens, but I don't imagine that one could really reach that level (a kid's body is different though, so I dunno). It had to have been a psychological decision to die and not an OD. Of course, I could be blinded by the truth.
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Re: Death by Mushrooms. [Re: BiG_StroOnZ]
#5777356 - 06/21/06 06:03 PM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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If the guy died from eating 22 grams of psilocybin mushrooms and nothing else, this is the first time I have ever heard of that. Based on LD50 (the dose at which 50% of the individuals die) studies done with rabbits and mice, the math works out to where it is physically impossible to eat enough mushrooms at once to produce lethal effects.
Obviously, if an individual has an underlying medical disorder, this could affect things. But if the person in fact died from eating 22 grams psiloc(yb)in mushrooms, this is the first time that has ever been documented -- unless I am unaware of something.
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Re: Death by Mushrooms. [Re: Land_Crab]
#5777478 - 06/21/06 06:36 PM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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Land_Crab said: If the guy died from eating 22 grams of psilocybin mushrooms and nothing else, this is the first time I have ever heard of that. Based on LD50 (the dose at which 50% of the individuals die) studies done with rabbits and mice, the math works out to where it is physically impossible to eat enough mushrooms at once to produce lethal effects.
Perhaps half of the individuals die at that specific dose, but that, in no way, means that individuals do not or cannot die by consuming a smaller dose.
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isnt it possible that he was takwning imoa's or whatever they are called? cause dont they make the shrooms more potent? also dont quote me on this but i also believe that antipsycotics and stuff are imoa's. hope someone can correct my point cause i cant be assed looking it up, but i hope you know what i am talkiung about.
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I think i remember somewhere that while taking an MAOI (several common anti depressants) while taking some hallucinagenic drugs can lead to serotonin syndrome and can be dangerous, and can lead to hypertensive crisis and can be deadly. that possibly could have been the cause of death i tend to err on the side of bullshit till i see a toxicology screen, and liver enzyme test to prove that it was shroomies only
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Re: Death by Mushrooms. [Re: trauma47645]
#5777552 - 06/21/06 06:50 PM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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wow look at that someone else with my hypothosis at the same time... eerie!!!
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Re: Death by Mushrooms. [Re: trauma47645]
#5777568 - 06/21/06 06:53 PM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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trauma47645 said: wow look at that someone else with my hypothosis at the same time... eerie!!!
guess great minds think alike. i knew i had the name wrong but at lease i had the letters
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Weebl8bob
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Re: Death by Mushrooms. [Re: Nashbar]
#5777638 - 06/21/06 07:10 PM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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Nashbar said:Psilos would be about the last chemicals that a coroner would test for, if that's even possible.
The coroner was specifically supposed to test, the kid told the parents he had heard that he was getting mushrooms so they tested for psilo. READ THE FUCKING ENTIRE THREAD AT BLUELIGHT BEFORE CALLING BS!!!
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Re: Death by Mushrooms. [Re: Weebl8bob]
#5777681 - 06/21/06 07:19 PM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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all that said is that psilo was found.. it didnt say that there were no other chemicals found in his system... i did read the whole post and i still call BS cause half-way through the kid made mention that his friend was taking adderall for ADD.. well why wasnt that mentioned in the coroners report.. if i remember correctly the half life of adderall is apprx 3-5 days for casual dosages.. if the kid had ADD he would have had his tissues saturated with adderall from his daily use... and that would have been mention in the tox screen.. so why dont you read the whole report NOOOOB... then make a comment.. I still Call BULL F*CKING SHIT on the whole story..
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Weebl8bob
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Re: Death by Mushrooms. [Re: trauma47645]
#5777754 - 06/21/06 07:35 PM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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Trauma.. i wasnt refering to you... I did read the whole report.. about 2 weeks ago.. Uhm.. well I didnt say it wasnt bullshit, im just saying there sure are a lot of people saying they know its bullshit when in reality they are only guessing based off the first few posts..
I just said to read it because i wanted to hear opinions based on all the info stated not based on just the first couple of posts.. heh...
Sorry if i insulted you in some other way but there was no need to get so worked up man..
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Re: Death by Mushrooms. [Re: Weebl8bob]
#5777762 - 06/21/06 07:36 PM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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The story is still bullshit the kid kept changing his story... he was a drama queen..
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Re: Death by Mushrooms. [Re: trauma47645]
#5777769 - 06/21/06 07:37 PM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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The bluelight thread is an old thread - 2004, guess it makes no difference
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BiG_StroOnZ


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LuckyWatcher said: The bluelight thread is an old thread - 2004, guess it makes no difference
Unaware of that actually lol, just sparked my curiosity when i saw it.
Edited by BiG_StroOnZ (06/21/06 07:41 PM)
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TrippinTeddy
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Re: Death by Mushrooms. [Re: trauma47645]
#5777798 - 06/21/06 07:44 PM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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Found this from a SAFTEY FIRST WEBSITE. A website dedicated to educating people about the danger's of drugs before one choose's to try them. I will paste a bit of it and post the weblink if you would like to go and read the full thing yourself. I call bullshit all the way. I'm not saying the kid didn't consume the mushrooms but I'm saying the cause of death is from another substance or possibly physical harm.
THE RISKS The risk of death from psilocybin overdose is virtually nonexistent – there remains no conclusive evidence of any fatalities despite ingestion (often accidental) of dosages greatly exceeding the effective amount. No apparent physiological damage from the use of psilocybin has been observed from the limited research conducted to date (Grinspoon and Bakalar 1997; Stamets 1916). Of particular concern for mushroom foragers however, is the risk of poisoning resulting from misidentification. It is estimated that toxic mushroom species outnumber those containing psilocybin by at least ten to one. Many mushroom hunters do not realize that there are some extremely poisonous species, which superficially resemble particular mushrooms containing psilocybin (Stamets 1996). As with LSD, the actual risks posed by psilocybin are predominantly psychological in nature. Acute negative experiences (“bad trips”) are certainly the most significant concerns associated with psilocybin use. Bad trips are much more likely to occur among first-time users, particularly when large dosages are ingested in inappropriate settings. Unpleasant or frightening experiences are more likely if the user is already anxious (about what will happen, for example) or depressed. Such an individual may become panicky and suffer paranoia – particularly in unfamiliar, intense, or chaotic environments (Strassman 1984).
http://www.safety1st.org/pdf/factsheet_mushroom.pdf
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Weebl8bob
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I believe it is more than likely due to dehydration.. think about it.. 100 some lb kid, 22 grams of potent mush, 6-8 hours without ANY fluids PLUS increased body heat, pulse, and water consumption by major organs.. You figure it out
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Re: Death by Mushrooms. [Re: Weebl8bob]
#5777878 - 06/21/06 08:00 PM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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ok im sorry but my bullshit detector is going off for this. i dont think he died i think it may just be somone posting some stuff for the drama of it. they show me the obituary of him saying he diedfrom shrooms and i will sort of belive him.
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Re: Death by Mushrooms. [Re: Weebl8bob]
#5777898 - 06/21/06 08:02 PM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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Weebl8bob said: I believe it is more than likely due to dehydration.. think about it.. 100 some lb kid, 22 grams of potent mush, 6-8 hours without ANY fluids PLUS increased body heat, pulse, and water consumption by major organs.. You figure it out
Ok then you are saying that said kid died of a heat stroke and not a Psliocybin overdose? That is possible. Here is another excerpt I found about the toxicology of Psliocybin. It states that it took 17 grams off mushrooms to kill SOME lab rats. Here you go.
PSILOCYBIN Psilocybin is the major psychoactive agent in psilocybian mushrooms. The main difference between psilocybin and psilocin is their relative stabilities...psilocin is much more easily oxidized, so deteriorates much more quickly than psilocybin. The following chart shows oral dosages of psilocybin in mg. Threshold 2 mg Light 2 - 4 mg Medium 4 - 8 mg Strong 8 - 20 mg Heavy 20 + mg LD? (Lethal Dose*) 250 mg/kg or ~17 g
Onset (when held in mouth) : 15 minutes Duration : 2 - 6 hours Normal After Effects : up to 8 hours
* LD? = The dose at which some mice died in the experiment. [Leo Hollister at Palo Alto Veterans Hospital, 1961]
DOSAGE CITES Psychedelics Encyclopedia, by Peter Stafford Psilocybin Mushrooms of the World, Paul Stamets
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MrMolotov
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yes but a labrat is not a human being. I doubt it would be heat stroke but he might have had a weak heart or somthing or had a heart defect that could have been over worked cus of the shrooms.
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kaniz
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Re: Death by Mushrooms. [Re: ackmess]
#5777925 - 06/21/06 08:06 PM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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ackmess said: how the hell does a 13 year old know where to get or even have the money for 22 grams of shrooms? good lord.
In the summer going from grade 7 to grade 8, I made nearly 3 grand -- mind you, I wasnt doing drugs, smoking or drinking that age, which is probably how I managed to make so much.
But, helped my aunt run the dickey dee ice-cream in my town, got paid commission and got to do some BIG events in my town which earned me loads of cash.
22g of mushrooms isnt that much money either. Yeah, if you are buying mushrooms 1/8th at a time it'd cost alot, but if you buy an oz right upfront - its not that much at all.
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kaniz
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Re: Death by Mushrooms. [Re: kaniz]
#5777943 - 06/21/06 08:10 PM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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Curious though - couldnt 22g of dried mushrooms get re-hydrated in the stomach, expand and possibly cause problems (assuming he didnt throw it up first?)
not gunna call bullshit on the story or not -- who knows what other factors were involved.
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Re: Death by Mushrooms. [Re: kaniz]
#5777945 - 06/21/06 08:11 PM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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Guys, this can't be real. Why? The DEA and authorities would be all over the case. It would be known, and we shroomerites would be one of the first to know. Especially with out involved this community is politically and with news.
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Re: Death by Mushrooms. [Re: Maverick]
#5778061 - 06/21/06 08:38 PM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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People OD on other drugs all the time. Mushrooms are already illegal - why would they make an extra fuss over mush?
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trauma47645
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Re: Death by Mushrooms. [Re: Maverick]
#5778065 - 06/21/06 08:39 PM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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if it was a physiological problem such as dehydration or high temp.. im sure the idiot that posted the original post would have listed those as contributing factors in the death instead of insisting it was just the shrooms that did it.. I STILL CALL BULL SHIT
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Re: Death by Mushrooms. [Re: trauma47645]
#5778099 - 06/21/06 08:52 PM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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and 17 grams is a lethal dose in an animal that weighs maybe 1 pound in a heavy specimen.. that is 100 times smaller than the child "that was killed".. so 22 grams would be a little less that 1 and 1/3 the lethal dose in that same 1 pound animal.. so according to that theory the child weighing 100 lbs woud have had to injest 1700 grams to have a fatal dose (not even close to possible)... and that is doing an easy conversion if you want to do a crude blood serum conversion and took 1 pound (28 grams) and found what percentage 17 grams would be it is appx. %60.714... and if you take the labrat as hypothetically having the same metabol. as the child (I know the lab rat is much higher).. the 100 pound child would have to injest 60.714 pounds of mushies or 1517.85 grams in order to prove fatal. even if you took metab. into consideration it in no way could drop the fatal dose down to 22 grams... STILL IS A BULLSHIT STORY
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Re: Death by Mushrooms. [Re: trauma47645]
#5778116 - 06/21/06 08:57 PM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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I don't want to sound mean or anything but he must have been an absolutely horrible mood.
I do have a couple questions: I. Where does a 13 year old get that money? II. How does he know that will kill him considering the LD50 is very high. III. Was he on any other drug and/or medication at the time?
These can all be answered I am very sure, but they must have detailed answers.
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TrippinTeddy said: PSILOCYBIN The following chart shows oral dosages of psilocybin in mg. Threshold 2 mg Light 2 - 4 mg Medium 4 - 8 mg Strong 8 - 20 mg Heavy 20 + mg LD? (Lethal Dose*) 250 mg/kg or ~17 g
psilocybin =/= dried mushrooms
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trauma47645 said: 60.714 pounds of mushies or 1517.85 grams
I'll trade you 1517.85 grams for 60.714 pounds and call it even
Sounds like we are missing something from this story though...
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Re: Death by Mushrooms. [Re: kaniz]
#5778227 - 06/21/06 09:27 PM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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Because it's a child ODing on mushrooms that have controversy about the toxicity.
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Re: Death by Mushrooms. [Re: Maverick]
#5778285 - 06/21/06 09:40 PM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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I started eating mushrooms when I was 12 and had a hook up for them. As for the money, 22 grams is what, 6/8s? Thats like $80 max in oregon/california. $80 really isnt that hard to come by ...the real question is where does a 13 year old get the money to buy an ipod??
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Re: Death by Mushrooms. [Re: tocuhe]
#5778306 - 06/21/06 09:46 PM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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tocuhe said: the real question is where does a 13 year old get the money to buy an ipod??
Their Mommy and Daddy.
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Kids that take so many drugs at such a young age dont develope like normal people. Im not saying if you experimented with mushrooms when you were 16 or so is necessarily a bad thing. You may have ended up wise beyond your years.
It still messes with an undeveloped brain more than a fully developed one for obvious reasons(the brain is adapting to these strange drugs effects). Then the domino effect.
Small children have died from eating mushrooms in their back yards. I too wish I could re-find that link for you. Also a 55-60 year old man has died from a very high dose(nothing like 22 grams though).
I know that I wouldnt give my dad a high dose of mushrooms. He has poor circulation, is very fat, does not react well to low doses of lsd, and has had anxiety issues. That is a recipe for disaster on a high dose. SO, like small children, I would bet on him going to the hospital at the very least if he ate 10+ grams. He could even die without proper medical attention.
SO ya, mushrooms are not harmless to all of us. And thats not even getting into how it can fuck up your brain if you are the right person(many variations of the "fuck up your brain" scenario).
I do value mushrooms greatly, but just because rats and their pea sized brains wont die unless you give them 17+ grams of mushrooms, doesnt mean much when it comes to humans.
Like lsd, they are VERY safe physically for most people, so dont get me wrong.
I know 70 year olds that receive baskets of mushrooms as anniversary gifts. They seem to have a hell of a time with them.
Edited by stemmer (06/21/06 10:29 PM)
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Re: Death by Mushrooms. [Re: BiG_StroOnZ]
#5778496 - 06/21/06 10:39 PM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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Obviously BS.
I doubt a 13 year old is going to be able to hold down 22 grams of mushrooms. I can't even imagine being able to eat a whole 22 grams of mushrooms, that would be so nasty. He'd probably be puking them up before he finished eating them. And if he did manage to get them all down they'd be puked out of his system in a short time. If anything he could have choked on his own vomit or killed himself because the trip was so terrible. I did not even bother reading the thread on the other board because it's so obviously BS.
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Re: Death by Mushrooms. [Re: stemmer]
#5778506 - 06/21/06 10:41 PM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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Well I'm not arguing the fact that someone with other health issues could die from a trip. Poor heart or whatever you may say. I'm talking Toxicity of Psilocybin from mushrooms. The argument is that Psilocybin is almost completely harmless to your body. There is no evidence ever that shows Psilocybin as a chemical will harm your body. That is the point and the only point that I want to state. No human been has ever been doucumented to die from the sigle CHEMICAL PSILOCYBIN. If you want to argue that find me a Toxicology report that shows cause of death: Leathal Dose of PSILOCYBIN.
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Re: Death by Mushrooms. [Re: Amber_Glow]
#5778533 - 06/21/06 10:48 PM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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Ya I cant imagine much more than a hospital visit for that 13 year old kid. If he was 3-6 years old, death is possible. When little kids eat a good few grams of mushrooms or less they tend to seize. They become terrified, (like the worst fit you have ever seen).
The young child that died from liberty caps actually went into what I believe was considered to be a coma, and eventually died(unlike his 3 little friends(two of which seized out, the other becoming so terrified that they sedated him).
Boy I sure wish I could find that article. Its almost as interesting as the stories about people accidentally injecting 100-500,000 hits and lived to tell about it. One man has injected 300-500,000 hits and died from it. I forgot the exact physical cause, but after an autopsy, his liver was VERY POTENT, as was the rest of his body.
But no, no body has died from these drugs unless some sort of a domino effect occured. Neurotransmitters dont kill people, people with other problems or those that are of an extreemely young age can die from them.
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Re: Death by Mushrooms. [Re: stemmer]
#5778556 - 06/21/06 10:52 PM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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stemmer said: Boy I sure wish I could find that article. Its almost as interesting as the stories about people accidentally injecting 100-500,000 hits and lived to tell about it.
HOLY JEEBUS! I wish you could find that also. I would love to talk to someone who went that far out! I couldn't even imagine. Bet that guys got a story to tell.
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He probably couldnt tell you, he was in a hospital bed within an hour, became violent and had to be sedated. Sedated for days...
When it comes to stories like that, it really does leave alot of room for death/hospital visits.
He needed some mental rehabilitation aswell. By the way I somehow made a mistake on that post about the people who have injected lsd(medical journals by the way). I meant 500,000 mics not "hits".
If you inject that amount you could be in some serious trouble, if you eat it you will likely live to tell the tale if you can still speak like someone who has not been brain damaged.
Sorry for the mis-post.
Edited by stemmer (06/21/06 11:02 PM)
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Re: Death by Mushrooms. [Re: trauma47645]
#5779087 - 06/22/06 01:06 AM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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1 pound (28 grams)
1 lb = 448 grams 1 oz = 28 grams
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Re: Death by Mushrooms. [Re: coda]
#5782734 - 06/23/06 01:17 AM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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For LSD, the largest reported dose taken by someone who survived was ~80mg. The 5 people who ingested it thought that it was speed, and they all did a line. Most of them had severe physical symptoms, including liver damage and internal bleeding. All of them suffered severe psychological trauma. The largest reported dose ever taken, which was a lethal dose, was ~300mg, I believe. A man, also thinking he had speed, injected himself with a syringe full of acid. As for mushrooms, a lethal dose in humans has not yet been established. Keep in mind that the effects of psilocybin in rats differ greatly than the effects in humans, so a truly accurate LD50 cannot be obtained without human testing.
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Lysergic_Milkman said: For LSD, the largest reported dose taken by someone who survived was ~80mg. The 5 people who ingested it thought that it was speed, and they all did a line. Most of them had severe physical symptoms, including liver damage and internal bleeding. All of them suffered severe psychological trauma. The largest reported dose ever taken, which was a lethal dose, was ~300mg, I believe. A man, also thinking he had speed, injected himself with a syringe full of acid. As for mushrooms, a lethal dose in humans has not yet been established. Keep in mind that the effects of psilocybin in rats differ greatly than the effects in humans, so a truly accurate LD50 cannot be obtained without human testing.
Kids, and i stress kids, of some band members back in the days snorted a bunch of lsd crystal that they found in one of their moms purses thinking it was coke. They all survived with no lasting physical or mental tramua. The story is around here somewhere.
I've heard the story about the guy who injected what he thought was speed and died but i dont think the story was ever verified.
Some guy killed an elephant with 297 mg of lsd, 2800 mg of thorazine, and an unknown amount of pentobarbital sodium.
http://www.erowid.org/chemicals/lsd/lsd_history4.shtml
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Re: Death by Mushrooms. [Re: d33p]
#5784712 - 06/23/06 07:26 PM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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d33p said: Some guy killed an elephant with 297 mg of lsd
what a waste
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Re: Death by Mushrooms. [Re: BiG_StroOnZ]
#5784726 - 06/23/06 07:30 PM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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That line about erowid seems to suggest the kid ate 22 grams of FRESH mushrooms... doesn't it?
If that's the case this is not a true story.
But maybe I'm just reading it wrong.
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This is originally from Bluelight. Go read it there.
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Re: Death by Mushrooms. [Re: BiG_StroOnZ]
#5785014 - 06/23/06 08:53 PM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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That's pretty sad amd possible. You don't no the toxin levels of the shrooms , you don't know how strong they are as well.. The number one thing is no one reacts the same to drugs, some people can have terrible reactions to certain things... Also, where the hell did a 13 year old kid get that much shrooms? Did he pick them or something? Fresh shrooms as well? Maybe they were poisonous, or they couldn't have worked....
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Re: Death by Mushrooms. [Re: colimon]
#5785034 - 06/23/06 08:59 PM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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He bought them from a dealer and apparently he wanted to kill himself with mushrooms, they were dried. What a fucking stupid way to try and kill yourself. Obviously the kid didn't read shit about mushrooms. But alas, this story has never been substanciated, all there is, is the kid's supposed friend. And his story is a little sketchy too.
There is a real life incident where a kid consumed mushrooms and then ran around his neighborhood naked with a knife. I saw the video from a police cruiser, where the kid comes running towards the car with the knife. Apparently they had to shoot him or something. I can't recall exactly how he died.
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