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palmersc
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TrippinTeddy said: PSILOCYBIN The following chart shows oral dosages of psilocybin in mg. Threshold 2 mg Light 2 - 4 mg Medium 4 - 8 mg Strong 8 - 20 mg Heavy 20 + mg LD? (Lethal Dose*) 250 mg/kg or ~17 g
psilocybin =/= dried mushrooms
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trauma47645 said: 60.714 pounds of mushies or 1517.85 grams
I'll trade you 1517.85 grams for 60.714 pounds and call it even
Sounds like we are missing something from this story though...
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Re: Death by Mushrooms. [Re: kaniz]
#5778227 - 06/21/06 09:27 PM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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Because it's a child ODing on mushrooms that have controversy about the toxicity.
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tocuhe
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Re: Death by Mushrooms. [Re: Maverick]
#5778285 - 06/21/06 09:40 PM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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I started eating mushrooms when I was 12 and had a hook up for them. As for the money, 22 grams is what, 6/8s? Thats like $80 max in oregon/california. $80 really isnt that hard to come by ...the real question is where does a 13 year old get the money to buy an ipod??
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Re: Death by Mushrooms. [Re: tocuhe]
#5778306 - 06/21/06 09:46 PM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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tocuhe said: the real question is where does a 13 year old get the money to buy an ipod??
Their Mommy and Daddy.
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stemmer
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Kids that take so many drugs at such a young age dont develope like normal people. Im not saying if you experimented with mushrooms when you were 16 or so is necessarily a bad thing. You may have ended up wise beyond your years.
It still messes with an undeveloped brain more than a fully developed one for obvious reasons(the brain is adapting to these strange drugs effects). Then the domino effect.
Small children have died from eating mushrooms in their back yards. I too wish I could re-find that link for you. Also a 55-60 year old man has died from a very high dose(nothing like 22 grams though).
I know that I wouldnt give my dad a high dose of mushrooms. He has poor circulation, is very fat, does not react well to low doses of lsd, and has had anxiety issues. That is a recipe for disaster on a high dose. SO, like small children, I would bet on him going to the hospital at the very least if he ate 10+ grams. He could even die without proper medical attention.
SO ya, mushrooms are not harmless to all of us. And thats not even getting into how it can fuck up your brain if you are the right person(many variations of the "fuck up your brain" scenario).
I do value mushrooms greatly, but just because rats and their pea sized brains wont die unless you give them 17+ grams of mushrooms, doesnt mean much when it comes to humans.
Like lsd, they are VERY safe physically for most people, so dont get me wrong.
I know 70 year olds that receive baskets of mushrooms as anniversary gifts. They seem to have a hell of a time with them.
Edited by stemmer (06/21/06 10:29 PM)
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Re: Death by Mushrooms. [Re: BiG_StroOnZ]
#5778496 - 06/21/06 10:39 PM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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Obviously BS.
I doubt a 13 year old is going to be able to hold down 22 grams of mushrooms. I can't even imagine being able to eat a whole 22 grams of mushrooms, that would be so nasty. He'd probably be puking them up before he finished eating them. And if he did manage to get them all down they'd be puked out of his system in a short time. If anything he could have choked on his own vomit or killed himself because the trip was so terrible. I did not even bother reading the thread on the other board because it's so obviously BS.
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Re: Death by Mushrooms. [Re: stemmer]
#5778506 - 06/21/06 10:41 PM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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Well I'm not arguing the fact that someone with other health issues could die from a trip. Poor heart or whatever you may say. I'm talking Toxicity of Psilocybin from mushrooms. The argument is that Psilocybin is almost completely harmless to your body. There is no evidence ever that shows Psilocybin as a chemical will harm your body. That is the point and the only point that I want to state. No human been has ever been doucumented to die from the sigle CHEMICAL PSILOCYBIN. If you want to argue that find me a Toxicology report that shows cause of death: Leathal Dose of PSILOCYBIN.
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Re: Death by Mushrooms. [Re: Amber_Glow]
#5778533 - 06/21/06 10:48 PM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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Ya I cant imagine much more than a hospital visit for that 13 year old kid. If he was 3-6 years old, death is possible. When little kids eat a good few grams of mushrooms or less they tend to seize. They become terrified, (like the worst fit you have ever seen).
The young child that died from liberty caps actually went into what I believe was considered to be a coma, and eventually died(unlike his 3 little friends(two of which seized out, the other becoming so terrified that they sedated him).
Boy I sure wish I could find that article. Its almost as interesting as the stories about people accidentally injecting 100-500,000 hits and lived to tell about it. One man has injected 300-500,000 hits and died from it. I forgot the exact physical cause, but after an autopsy, his liver was VERY POTENT, as was the rest of his body.
But no, no body has died from these drugs unless some sort of a domino effect occured. Neurotransmitters dont kill people, people with other problems or those that are of an extreemely young age can die from them.
Edited by stemmer (06/21/06 10:51 PM)
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Re: Death by Mushrooms. [Re: stemmer]
#5778556 - 06/21/06 10:52 PM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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stemmer said: Boy I sure wish I could find that article. Its almost as interesting as the stories about people accidentally injecting 100-500,000 hits and lived to tell about it.
HOLY JEEBUS! I wish you could find that also. I would love to talk to someone who went that far out! I couldn't even imagine. Bet that guys got a story to tell.
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stemmer
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He probably couldnt tell you, he was in a hospital bed within an hour, became violent and had to be sedated. Sedated for days...
When it comes to stories like that, it really does leave alot of room for death/hospital visits.
He needed some mental rehabilitation aswell. By the way I somehow made a mistake on that post about the people who have injected lsd(medical journals by the way). I meant 500,000 mics not "hits".
If you inject that amount you could be in some serious trouble, if you eat it you will likely live to tell the tale if you can still speak like someone who has not been brain damaged.
Sorry for the mis-post.
Edited by stemmer (06/21/06 11:02 PM)
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Re: Death by Mushrooms. [Re: trauma47645]
#5779087 - 06/22/06 01:06 AM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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1 pound (28 grams)
1 lb = 448 grams 1 oz = 28 grams
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Re: Death by Mushrooms. [Re: coda]
#5782734 - 06/23/06 01:17 AM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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For LSD, the largest reported dose taken by someone who survived was ~80mg. The 5 people who ingested it thought that it was speed, and they all did a line. Most of them had severe physical symptoms, including liver damage and internal bleeding. All of them suffered severe psychological trauma. The largest reported dose ever taken, which was a lethal dose, was ~300mg, I believe. A man, also thinking he had speed, injected himself with a syringe full of acid. As for mushrooms, a lethal dose in humans has not yet been established. Keep in mind that the effects of psilocybin in rats differ greatly than the effects in humans, so a truly accurate LD50 cannot be obtained without human testing.
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Lysergic_Milkman said: For LSD, the largest reported dose taken by someone who survived was ~80mg. The 5 people who ingested it thought that it was speed, and they all did a line. Most of them had severe physical symptoms, including liver damage and internal bleeding. All of them suffered severe psychological trauma. The largest reported dose ever taken, which was a lethal dose, was ~300mg, I believe. A man, also thinking he had speed, injected himself with a syringe full of acid. As for mushrooms, a lethal dose in humans has not yet been established. Keep in mind that the effects of psilocybin in rats differ greatly than the effects in humans, so a truly accurate LD50 cannot be obtained without human testing.
Kids, and i stress kids, of some band members back in the days snorted a bunch of lsd crystal that they found in one of their moms purses thinking it was coke. They all survived with no lasting physical or mental tramua. The story is around here somewhere.
I've heard the story about the guy who injected what he thought was speed and died but i dont think the story was ever verified.
Some guy killed an elephant with 297 mg of lsd, 2800 mg of thorazine, and an unknown amount of pentobarbital sodium.
http://www.erowid.org/chemicals/lsd/lsd_history4.shtml
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Re: Death by Mushrooms. [Re: d33p]
#5784712 - 06/23/06 07:26 PM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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d33p said: Some guy killed an elephant with 297 mg of lsd
what a waste
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Re: Death by Mushrooms. [Re: BiG_StroOnZ]
#5784726 - 06/23/06 07:30 PM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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That line about erowid seems to suggest the kid ate 22 grams of FRESH mushrooms... doesn't it?
If that's the case this is not a true story.
But maybe I'm just reading it wrong.
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This is originally from Bluelight. Go read it there.
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Re: Death by Mushrooms. [Re: BiG_StroOnZ]
#5785014 - 06/23/06 08:53 PM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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That's pretty sad amd possible. You don't no the toxin levels of the shrooms , you don't know how strong they are as well.. The number one thing is no one reacts the same to drugs, some people can have terrible reactions to certain things... Also, where the hell did a 13 year old kid get that much shrooms? Did he pick them or something? Fresh shrooms as well? Maybe they were poisonous, or they couldn't have worked....
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Edited by colimon (06/23/06 08:54 PM)
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Re: Death by Mushrooms. [Re: colimon]
#5785034 - 06/23/06 08:59 PM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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He bought them from a dealer and apparently he wanted to kill himself with mushrooms, they were dried. What a fucking stupid way to try and kill yourself. Obviously the kid didn't read shit about mushrooms. But alas, this story has never been substanciated, all there is, is the kid's supposed friend. And his story is a little sketchy too.
There is a real life incident where a kid consumed mushrooms and then ran around his neighborhood naked with a knife. I saw the video from a police cruiser, where the kid comes running towards the car with the knife. Apparently they had to shoot him or something. I can't recall exactly how he died.
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