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Re: Death by Mushrooms. [Re: trauma47645]
    #5777552 - 06/21/06 06:50 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

wow look at that someone else with my hypothosis at the same time... eerie!!!


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Re: Death by Mushrooms. [Re: trauma47645]
    #5777568 - 06/21/06 06:53 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

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wow look at that someone else with my hypothosis at the same time... eerie!!!




guess great minds think alike. i knew i had the name wrong but at lease i had the letters


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Re: Death by Mushrooms. [Re: Nashbar]
    #5777638 - 06/21/06 07:10 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

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Nashbar said:Psilos would be about the last chemicals that a coroner would test for, if that's even possible.



The coroner was specifically supposed to test, the kid told the parents he had heard that he was getting mushrooms so they tested for psilo. READ THE FUCKING ENTIRE THREAD AT BLUELIGHT BEFORE CALLING BS!!! :sad:


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Re: Death by Mushrooms. [Re: Weebl8bob]
    #5777681 - 06/21/06 07:19 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

all that said is that psilo was found.. it didnt say that there were no other chemicals found in his system... i did read the whole post and i still call BS cause half-way through the kid made mention that his friend was taking adderall for ADD.. well why wasnt that mentioned in the coroners report.. if i remember correctly the half life of adderall is apprx 3-5 days for casual dosages.. if the kid had ADD he would have had his tissues saturated with adderall from his daily use... and that would have been mention in the tox screen.. so why dont you read the whole report NOOOOB... then make a comment.. I still Call BULL F*CKING SHIT on the whole story..


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Re: Death by Mushrooms. [Re: trauma47645]
    #5777754 - 06/21/06 07:35 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

Trauma.. i wasnt refering to you... I did read the whole report.. about 2 weeks ago.. Uhm.. well I didnt say it wasnt bullshit, im just saying there sure are a lot of people saying they know its bullshit when in reality they are only guessing based off the first few posts..

I just said to read it because i wanted to hear opinions based on all the info stated not based on just the first couple of posts.. heh...

Sorry if i insulted you in some other way but there was no need to get so worked up man..


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Re: Death by Mushrooms. [Re: Weebl8bob]
    #5777762 - 06/21/06 07:36 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

The story is still bullshit the kid kept changing his story... he was a drama queen..


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Re: Death by Mushrooms. [Re: trauma47645]
    #5777769 - 06/21/06 07:37 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

The bluelight thread is an old thread - 2004, guess it makes no difference  :dogpile:


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Re: Death by Mushrooms. [Re: LuckyWatcher]
    #5777780 - 06/21/06 07:40 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

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LuckyWatcher said:
The bluelight thread is an old thread - 2004, guess it makes no difference  :dogpile:




Unaware of that actually lol, just sparked my curiosity when i saw it.


Edited by BiG_StroOnZ (06/21/06 07:41 PM)


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Re: Death by Mushrooms. [Re: trauma47645]
    #5777798 - 06/21/06 07:44 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

Found this from a SAFTEY FIRST WEBSITE. A website dedicated to educating people about the danger's of drugs before one choose's to try them. I will paste a bit of it and post the weblink if you would like to go and read the full thing yourself. I call bullshit all the way. I'm not saying the kid didn't consume the mushrooms but I'm saying the cause of death is from another substance or possibly physical harm.

THE RISKS
The risk of death from psilocybin overdose is
virtually nonexistent – there remains no conclusive
evidence of any fatalities despite ingestion
(often accidental) of dosages greatly exceeding the
effective amount. No apparent physiological
damage from the use of psilocybin has been
observed from the limited research conducted to
date (Grinspoon and Bakalar 1997; Stamets 1916).
Of particular concern for mushroom foragers
however, is the risk of poisoning resulting from
misidentification. It is estimated that toxic
mushroom species outnumber those containing
psilocybin by at least ten to one. Many mushroom
hunters do not realize that there are some extremely
poisonous species, which superficially resemble
particular mushrooms containing psilocybin
(Stamets 1996).
As with LSD, the actual risks posed by psilocybin
are predominantly psychological in nature. Acute
negative experiences (“bad trips”) are certainly
the most significant concerns associated with
psilocybin use. Bad trips are much more likely to
occur among first-time users, particularly when
large dosages are ingested in inappropriate settings.
Unpleasant or frightening experiences are more
likely if the user is already anxious (about what will
happen, for example) or depressed. Such an
individual may become panicky and suffer paranoia –
particularly in unfamiliar, intense, or chaotic
environments (Strassman 1984).



http://www.safety1st.org/pdf/factsheet_mushroom.pdf


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For the record, I would show you my butthole but you would fall down and worship it as a God and you would give up everything to roam the land converting the heathens by fire and sword. Millions would die. No, no the cost is too great. I cannot.



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Re: Death by Mushrooms. [Re: TrippinTeddy]
    #5777839 - 06/21/06 07:52 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

I believe it is more than likely due to dehydration.. think about it.. 100 some lb kid, 22 grams of potent mush, 6-8 hours without ANY fluids PLUS increased body heat, pulse, and water consumption by major organs.. You figure it out


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Re: Death by Mushrooms. [Re: Weebl8bob]
    #5777878 - 06/21/06 08:00 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

ok im sorry but my bullshit detector is going off for this. i dont think he died i think it may just be somone posting some stuff for the drama of it. they show me the obituary of him saying he diedfrom shrooms and i will sort of belive him.


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Re: Death by Mushrooms. [Re: Weebl8bob]
    #5777898 - 06/21/06 08:02 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

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Weebl8bob said:
I believe it is more than likely due to dehydration.. think about it.. 100 some lb kid, 22 grams of potent mush, 6-8 hours without ANY fluids PLUS increased body heat, pulse, and water consumption by major organs.. You figure it out




Ok then you are saying that said kid died of a heat stroke and not a Psliocybin overdose? That is possible. Here is another excerpt I found about the toxicology of Psliocybin. It states that it took 17 grams off mushrooms to kill SOME lab rats. Here you go.



PSILOCYBIN
Psilocybin is the major psychoactive agent in psilocybian mushrooms. The main difference between psilocybin and psilocin is their relative stabilities...psilocin is much more easily oxidized, so deteriorates much more quickly than psilocybin. The following chart shows oral dosages of psilocybin in mg.
Threshold 2 mg
Light 2 - 4 mg
Medium 4 - 8 mg
Strong 8 - 20 mg
Heavy 20 + mg
LD? (Lethal Dose*) 250 mg/kg or ~17 g

Onset (when held in mouth) : 15 minutes
Duration : 2 - 6 hours
Normal After Effects : up to 8 hours

* LD? = The dose at which some mice died in the experiment. [Leo Hollister at Palo Alto Veterans Hospital, 1961]



DOSAGE CITES
Psychedelics Encyclopedia, by Peter Stafford
Psilocybin Mushrooms of the World, Paul Stamets


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For the record, I would show you my butthole but you would fall down and worship it as a God and you would give up everything to roam the land converting the heathens by fire and sword. Millions would die. No, no the cost is too great. I cannot.



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Re: Death by Mushrooms. [Re: TrippinTeddy]
    #5777909 - 06/21/06 08:04 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

yes but a labrat is not a human being. I doubt it would be heat stroke but he might have had a weak heart or somthing or had a heart defect that could have been over worked cus of the shrooms.


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Re: Death by Mushrooms. [Re: ackmess]
    #5777925 - 06/21/06 08:06 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

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ackmess said:
how the hell does a 13 year old know where to get or even have the money for 22 grams of shrooms? good lord.




In the summer going from grade 7 to grade 8, I made nearly 3 grand -- mind you, I wasnt doing drugs, smoking or drinking that age, which is probably how I managed to make so much.

But, helped my aunt run the dickey dee ice-cream in my town, got paid commission and got to do some BIG events in my town which earned me loads of cash.

22g of mushrooms isnt that much money either. Yeah, if you are buying mushrooms 1/8th at a time it'd cost alot, but if you buy an oz right upfront - its not that much at all.


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Re: Death by Mushrooms. [Re: kaniz]
    #5777943 - 06/21/06 08:10 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

Curious though - couldnt 22g of dried mushrooms get re-hydrated in the stomach, expand and possibly cause problems (assuming he didnt throw it up first?)

not gunna call bullshit on the story or not -- who knows what other factors were involved.


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Re: Death by Mushrooms. [Re: kaniz]
    #5777945 - 06/21/06 08:11 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

Guys, this can't be real. Why? The DEA and authorities would be all over the case. It would be known, and we shroomerites would be one of the first to know. Especially with out involved this community is politically and with news.


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Re: Death by Mushrooms. [Re: Maverick]
    #5778061 - 06/21/06 08:38 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

People OD on other drugs all the time. Mushrooms are already illegal - why would they make an extra fuss over mush?


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Re: Death by Mushrooms. [Re: Maverick]
    #5778065 - 06/21/06 08:39 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

if it was a physiological problem such as dehydration or high temp.. im sure the idiot that posted the original post would have listed those as contributing factors in the death instead of insisting it was just the shrooms that did it.. I STILL CALL BULL SHIT


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Re: Death by Mushrooms. [Re: trauma47645]
    #5778099 - 06/21/06 08:52 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

and 17 grams is a lethal dose in an animal that weighs maybe 1 pound in a heavy specimen.. that is 100 times smaller than the child "that was killed".. so 22 grams would be a little less that 1 and 1/3 the lethal dose in that same 1 pound animal.. so according to that theory the child weighing 100 lbs woud have had to injest 1700 grams to have a fatal dose (not even close to possible)... and that is doing an easy conversion if you want to do a crude blood serum conversion and took 1 pound (28 grams) and found what percentage 17 grams would be it is appx. %60.714... and if you take the labrat as hypothetically having the same metabol. as the child (I know the lab rat is much higher).. the 100 pound child would have to injest 60.714 pounds of mushies or 1517.85 grams in order to prove fatal. even if you took metab. into consideration it in no way could drop the fatal dose down to 22 grams... STILL IS A BULLSHIT STORY


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Re: Death by Mushrooms. [Re: trauma47645]
    #5778116 - 06/21/06 08:57 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

I don't want to sound mean or anything but he must have been an absolutely horrible mood.

I do have a couple questions:
I. Where does a 13 year old get that money?
II. How does he know that will kill him considering the LD50 is very high.
III. Was he on any other drug and/or medication at the time?

These can all be answered I am very sure, but they must have detailed answers.


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