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Faht's self-healing tyvek lids
    #5776690 - 06/21/06 02:03 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

heres how i'm doing my lids from now on and thought i would share.
all you need is tyvek, tape, silicone, and a jar band.
first we start with two layers of tyvek (ink side up) screwed down
tight with a band...


Next apply duct tape like this...



The larger triangle is for silicone and the smaller is left as is for the gas exchange hole.
I use just aquarium silicone... it's 100% silicone, so i don't know why they call it 'aquarium'... anyways, it looks like this...



now dab a bunch (at least 1/8 an inches worth) onto the larger uncovered triangle...



now this is the important part... silicone works great for self healing innoc ports as long as it sticks. Jar lids are not good for this BUT tyvek is excellent, as long as you push it into the tyvek.. you do this by getting your finger really wet so that it won't stick to it and press down firmly on the
glob of silicone or you can use a wetnap etc. try to spread the silicone out a bit to cover all the tyvek...



I disected a dry silicone glob to show how well it stuck to the tyvek....



This is what it should look like after it's dry and ready for use...



these lids can be used over and over again... just replace the bottom
piece of tyvek.

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Re: Faht's self-healing tyvek lids [Re: fahtster]
    #5776711 - 06/21/06 02:07 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

Cool. Helping out already huh? Good man (woman?)!! I'll add this to my notebook under "things to do dif. next time"!

Great work!!

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Re: Faht's self-healing tyvek lids [Re: SickShroomer]
    #5776733 - 06/21/06 02:14 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

hehe.. yeah.  couple hours before i go to work so i thought "what the hell". :smile:  i have a wiener btw. :wink:

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Re: Faht's self-healing tyvek lids [Re: fahtster]
    #5776781 - 06/21/06 02:36 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

LOL! Ok. :smile:


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Re: Faht's self-healing tyvek lids [Re: SickShroomer]
    #5776834 - 06/21/06 02:57 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

awesome! thanks for helping out already!


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Re: Faht's self-healing tyvek lids [Re: ackmess]
    #5776889 - 06/21/06 03:16 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

A rather splended tek right there. I was wondering, tyvek seems to be an american brand and i found these air-mail envelopes in my local post office and was wondering if these are just as good?
http://img.epinions.com/images/opti/62/ae/3096384EQUA0262-resized200.jpg
Its the classic type envelopes. Just by looking at them, they do look kinda thin if u know what i mean.
Also, do you reckon that standard silicone 'sealent' for bathrooms could be used?
Thanks, i'll be trying this out


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Re: Faht's self-healing tyvek lids [Re: zeegos]
    #5776915 - 06/21/06 03:25 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

zeegos, it should say somewhere on it if it's made out of tyvek...


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Re: Faht's self-healing tyvek lids [Re: Oatman2000]
    #5776935 - 06/21/06 03:31 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

you can have tyvek mailed to you from the post office for free.  just go online and order however much you want and they send it right to your door. :smile:  if you can rip the envelop, it's not tyvek.. and like oatman said.. it'll say right on the envelop somewhere that it's made of tyvek.. in really plain sight (not hidden anywhere, so stop lookin. lol hehehe) not sure if they'll send it out of the country... don't see why not.  check it out. :smile:

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Re: Faht's self-healing tyvek lids [Re: fahtster]
    #5776943 - 06/21/06 03:33 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

heres a page for it actually... was really easy to find.. it's at usps.com  here, :smile: .... http://shop.usps.com/webapp/wcs/stores/s...11603&langId=-1


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Re: Faht's self-healing tyvek lids [Re: fahtster]
    #5777008 - 06/21/06 03:55 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

Ah right. Well i guess i'll have to have another look around. I just thought it was a type of breathable paper, not synthetic material. Looking on the web, it looks pretty expensive.


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Re: Faht's self-healing tyvek lids [Re: zeegos]
    #5777140 - 06/21/06 04:42 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

Good work.

I couldn't find the envelopes with tyvek at my office but I'm trying the link Faht provided-thanks.


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Re: Faht's self-healing tyvek lids [Re: toole]
    #5777163 - 06/21/06 04:51 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

Ok-

I'm pretty sure I just ordered 100 tyvek envelops..for free..Haha.

Well you can order up to 500 I believe..and it's all free free free!

Thanks again Faht..great help already.


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Re: Faht's self-healing tyvek lids [Re: toole]
    #5777262 - 06/21/06 05:30 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

hey, np. :smile:  i love to help, yo. :smile:  i should also mention that i don't use these lids for pf jars... that may be confusing.. these i use for grain jars and myc. isolation jars (which ill be posting a tek on soon, can't upload any more pics today.)  for pf jars, i just use the standard four hole w/tape lids.  but these self-healing lids are the shizzy... not just sayin mine are, but any are.  they are a zillion times better than just taping up the hole... with tape, you are going to get mold spores sticking on the underside of the sticky side on the hole over your sub.  you may innoc. fine but when you go to shake... they will contam by rubbing on the tape. :frown:  so these are great for preventing that. :smile:

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Re: Faht's self-healing tyvek lids [Re: fahtster]
    #5777277 - 06/21/06 05:38 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

no metal lid?

interesting.

Faht,

I've seen a lot of your cakes over at mycotopia. Really impressive. I was wondering if you could send me a link to your cake tek there. I've gone through the archives and have been unable to dig anytyhing up.


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Re: Faht's self-healing tyvek lids [Re: Tweexican]
    #5777319 - 06/21/06 05:54 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

i've had troubles with the silicone sticking to the metal lids... but it 'seeps' into the tyvek.  i do use metal lids for pf jars tho... not sure if thats what you meant.. but there it is in case. :wink:  i use the same formula for cakes as everyone else.  EXCEPT that i put 1/3 c. water instead of 1/4 c.  then water slowly at birth up to pinning.. the cakes are heavy at pinning.. it's definately a balancing act. :smile:  the more water without contam's = more mushies. :smile:

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Re: Faht's self-healing tyvek lids [Re: fahtster]
    #5778157 - 06/21/06 09:06 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

Good stuff  :thumbup:

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I use just aquarium silicone... it's 100% silicone, so i don't know why they call it 'aquarium'... anyways, it looks like this...





Most tubes of silicone that you see at hardware stores contain fungicides, etc. that are definately not aquarium safe. Those that are labeled 'aquarium' do not have these additives. Just a FYI from an old reefkeeper.


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Re: Faht's self-healing tyvek lids [Re: TS10]
    #5778198 - 06/21/06 09:18 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

cool... thanks for the info, yo. :smile:

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Re: Faht's self-healing tyvek lids [Re: fahtster]
    #5778353 - 06/21/06 10:01 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

how long do those lids last? do you reuse them over and over, or remake them everytime?


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Re: Faht's self-healing tyvek lids [Re: Omnicracker]
    #5778454 - 06/21/06 10:27 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

I use them over and over... i just replace the bottom piece of postal tyvek.  also, should mention that they tape will shrink a bit in the pc.. doesn't make a difference really, just thought i should mention it.  so you may want to make the tape cover the tyvek a bit more so when it does shrink.. it doesn't pull away from the tyvek.. not that this is big deal either.. just put some more tape on there after the pc if that happens.  i would say a twenty time use is about right on the life span of these lids... but thats only because the self healing port would be worn.  if you want a longer life on them... just make the port larger... i've done a few where half the tyvek is covered with 1/8 in. silicone.  you use a lot of silicone but they will last a  LOOONG time.  but like i said, if you switch out the bottom tyvek every use (which aint no thang) then there is really only one innoc. hole per use. :smile:

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Re: Faht's self-healing tyvek lids [Re: fahtster]
    #5778973 - 06/22/06 12:35 AM (17 years, 7 months ago)

could you explain more on how to use these?
i am very confused :frown:

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Re: Faht's self-healing tyvek lids [Re: Dreeker]
    #5779024 - 06/22/06 12:49 AM (17 years, 7 months ago)

they go on top of the jars. then screw.


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Re: Faht's self-healing tyvek lids [Re: Omnicracker]
    #5779130 - 06/22/06 01:26 AM (17 years, 7 months ago)

sure..
you can use any kind of wide-mouthed jar... I use 1/2 pints. first I take TWO pieces of postal tyvek (ink side up) and lay them over the mouth of the jar. line the inks up on the two pieces so that ink isn't going to cover where you have your air exchange at. try to get them as taught as possible and screw a band on from a regular lid over the two pieces of tyvek. so now you basically have a little drum... you can tap on it and does sound pretty much like a hand drum. thats what the first picture is. this is the lid...
a band and two pieces of tyvek. then just follow the rest of the instructions. tape as directed (you can make the innoc. site bigger if you like but i wouldn't go any smaller than that.) the small triangle of exposed tyvek is for air exchange. Again make sure you line up the tyvek so that ink isn't covering this spot on both pieces (just white tyvek for this part) use at least an 1/8 in. of silicone and let dry for at least a day. the silicone hardens but is soft enough that you can poke a needle thru yet hard enough that it self-heals as you pull the needle out. same idea as a vaccutainer or one of those liquid med bottles that you fill syringes up with in a doctors office. this is how i do my innoc.'s with self-healing lids...

1. wear a dust mask and a pair of gloves. no need for a glovebox.
2. soak thru and thru a folded up piece of paper towel with rubbing alcohol.
3. wipe off innoc. port thoroughly with soaked paper towel. TIP: leave the paper towel laying over the innoc port while you sterilize your needle.
4. to sterilize the needle I first squeeze out a few drops of water, then start from the back of the needle about a 1/3 of the way in and flame til red hot all the way to the tip.
5. quickly, while the needle is still hot, I pick up the paper towel and give one last good wipe of the innoc port.
6. then I squeeze out another few drops of the water from the syringe. (the needle should still be hot enough that the first bit of water "fizzles" out)
7. poke the needle quickly thru the center of the self healing port.
8. Innoc.
9. Remove.
10. wipe the innoc port once more with the soaked paper towel (like a doctor would after a needle stick) and you're done.

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Re: Faht's self-healing tyvek lids [Re: fahtster]
    #5779740 - 06/22/06 07:12 AM (17 years, 7 months ago)

"it's 100% silicone, so i don't know why they call it 'aquarium'"

Its funny how companys do that eh put a different name infront of somthing and suddenly its a whole new product. Building models I notice how they have an ounce of MODELING paint thinner for 2$ or a Litre of paint thinner for 1.50.. crazyness I tell you


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Re: Faht's self-healing tyvek lids [Re: Dr_Mcgillicuddy]
    #5779847 - 06/22/06 08:48 AM (17 years, 7 months ago)

very nice idea, hopefully I'll be using it sometime soon


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