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tallgreen
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Re: Time Dilation [Re: Panoramix]
#5783752 - 06/23/06 01:09 PM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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Panoramix
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Re: Time Dilation [Re: tallgreen]
#5784281 - 06/23/06 04:09 PM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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It's gonna take me a little while to watch that whole clip, but from what I've seen so far it looks like good stuff, thanks for the link. Then there's the show on salvia and amanita muscaria and such, plus tonight's The Brak Show and Harvey Birdman and Aqua Teen Hunger Force... Man, I have a lot of media to consume tonight!
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tallgreen
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Re: Time Dilation [Re: tallgreen]
#5784300 - 06/23/06 04:22 PM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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ATHF!!! Yeah boy! That is my most favorite show ever, seriously. I DLd the entire collection from bittorrent and I have seen each episode at least a dozen times. I just can't get enough. Must be one of the best shows on television. But I'm weird so..
Yeah let me know what you think. Feel free to PM me encase I forget about this thread.
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SoY
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Re: Time Dilation [Re: tallgreen]
#5785289 - 06/23/06 10:18 PM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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Great video! Sums up a lot of my thoughts and understandings perfectly.
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SoY
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Re: Time Dilation [Re: SoY]
#5785747 - 06/24/06 01:22 AM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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Jesus--I mean hey, Seuss, I am curious as to your thoughts on the video above....
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Seuss
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Re: Time Dilation [Re: SoY]
#5791658 - 06/26/06 05:03 AM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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Haven't watched it yet, but will try to this evening.
I don't find the theme of the film to be offensive, but rather the way they twisted science by editing quotes out of context and outright telling of lies. Don't take my word for it:
http://film.guardian.co.uk/features/featurepages/0,4120,1484925,00.html:
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I have spent my entire working life either doing science or conveying its meaning and beauty to the public. Consequently, I despise What the Bleep Do We Know!?, because it distorts science to fit its own agenda, it is full of half-truths and misleading analogies, and some of its so-called scientific claims are downright lies. Worse still, having achieved cult status in America, this film has already duped millions into mistaking pure claptrap for something of cosmic importance. - Simon Singh. PhD in particle physics from Cambridge University.
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What drives me to despair is not the dishonesty of the charlatans who peddle such tosh, but the dopey gullibility of the thousands of nice, well meaning people who flock to the cinema and believe it. - Richard Dawkins FRS, Charles Simonyi Professor of the Public Understanding of Science at Oxford.
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Re: Time Dilation [Re: tallgreen]
#5793318 - 06/26/06 05:47 PM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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That movie is amazing. Anyone who has not seen it is missing out! I particularly like the part about Masaru Emoto's work.
An exerpt from one of my posts to another board:
Dr. Emoto claims that when he tapes words to bottles of water and freezes them, the crystals that form are descriptive of the words used. For example, if the word 'love' is taped to a bottle, beautiful crystals form; if the words 'you make me sick' are used, ugly crystals form.
What Emoto fails to mention is that the person judging the character of the crystals knows the word used and looks for a crystal among the millions that form which matches the target word. This is a huge no-no in science because it's been shown again and again that, even against your best intentions, if you know what's supposed to be there, you will usually find it - it's called "biased data selection" and automatically invalidates any findings.
To demonstrate a real effect, the person characterizing the crystals would have to be blind to the word used so that he can make an honest and fair assessment of the aesthetics of the crystal without foreknowledge of the word that was used.
By the way, my buddy James Randi has stated that if Emoto could perform this experiment double-blinded (meaning the person looking for the crystal does not know in advance what word was used), it would qualify for the JREF Million Dollar Prize. Demonstrating his claims in a proper double-blind protocol would show there really is a correlation between the words taped to a bottle and the crystals formed within. Not surprisingly, Emoto has never applied for the million dollar challenge.
Attempts to reproduce Emoto's work by others have now been made. Again not surprisingly, his results are unreproducible.
Additionally, Emoto has been invited to demonstrate his results by a few universities. He's declined all the invitations so far.
And finally, Emoto published his work without peer review (surprised?). This means that he can report anything at all, and since no other scientists were offered the opportunity to comment, his word goes uncontested.
It's relevant to note that even with all of the above, his book is selling well to people who buy new age mumbo jumbo that is demonstrably bullshit without applying the first bit of critical thought.
Learn to think critically folks, geez! It may save you some grief the next time some charlatan tries to sell you a swamp.
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Edited by Diploid (06/26/06 06:00 PM)
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dblaney
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Re: Time Dilation [Re: Diploid]
#5793336 - 06/26/06 05:50 PM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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Those are some very poignant points you make.
Gracias!
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slaphappy
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Re: Time Dilation [Re: dblaney]
#5794641 - 06/27/06 12:57 AM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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Time Dilation, short version:
More thinking, more time.
Keep up the good work
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