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Post Your Favorite Quote.
    #5774157 - 06/20/06 09:14 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

From this page.
http://www.americanprogressaction.org/site/pp.asp?c=klLWJcP7H&b=187035

30%: Percent of Americans who believe that "politics and government are too complicated to understand."


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Re: Post Your Favorite Quote. [Re: GabbaDj]
    #5774221 - 06/20/06 09:27 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

69%: Percent of Americans who believed the White House's claims in September 2003 that Saddam Hussein was personally involved in the September 11 attacks.

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Re: Post Your Favorite Quote. [Re: GabbaDj]
    #5774424 - 06/20/06 10:11 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

From this page: http://www.sky.com/skynews/article/0,,91059-13047091,00.html

52% -- percentage of adult Britons who believe the Battle of the Bulge was a fictional event




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Re: Post Your Favorite Quote. [Re: newuser1492]
    #5774432 - 06/20/06 10:14 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

LOL.

Goota love cb9fl's quote -- a fallacy within a fallacy.

As has been shown over and over and over and over again, the White House has never claimed Hussein had any involvement in the September 11, 2001 attacks.




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Re: Post Your Favorite Quote. [Re: Phred]
    #5774483 - 06/20/06 10:32 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

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Phred said:
LOL.

Goota love cb9fl's quote -- a fallacy within a fallacy.

As has been shown over and over and over and over again, the White House has never claimed Hussein had any involvement in the September 11, 2001 attacks.




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Ya sure? I remembered hearing a lot about how the "Hamburg" cell had held meetings with Saddams secret service in Czechlosovakia.

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Re: Post Your Favorite Quote. [Re: The_Red_Crayon]
    #5774545 - 06/20/06 10:46 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

As has been shown over and over and over and over again, the White House has never claimed Hussein had any involvement in the September 11, 2001 attacks.



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Re: Post Your Favorite Quote. [Re: GabbaDj]
    #5774624 - 06/20/06 11:03 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

From his own book

"For more than a century, ideological extremists, at either end of the political spectrum, have seized upon well-publicized incidents, such as my encounter with Castro, to attack the Rockefeller family for the inordinate influence they claim we wield over American political and economic institutions. Some even believe we are part of a secret cabal, working against the best interests of the United States, characterizing my family and me as 'internationalists,' and of conspiring with others around the world to build a more integrated global political and economic structure - one world, if you will. If that's the charge, I stand guilty, and I am proud of it."
David Rockefeller, Memoirs, 2002, p. 405

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Re: Post Your Favorite Quote. [Re: buckwheat]
    #5775414 - 06/21/06 03:31 AM (17 years, 10 months ago)

haha

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Re: Post Your Favorite Quote. [Re: faslimy]
    #5775553 - 06/21/06 06:03 AM (17 years, 10 months ago)

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War, it will be seen, is now a purely internal affair. In the past, the ruling groups of all countries, although they might recognize their common interest and therefore limit the destructiveness of war, did fight against one another, and the victor always plundered the vanquished. In our own day they are not fighting against one another at all. The war is waged by each ruling group against its own subjects, and the object of the war is not to make or prevent conquests of territory, but to keep the structure of society intact. The very word 'war', therefore, has become misleading. It would probably be accurate to say that by becoming continuous war has ceased to exist. The peculiar pressure that it exerted on human beings between the Neolithic Age and the early twentieth century has disappeared and been replaced by something quite different.




From The Theory and Practice of Oligarchical Collectivism.

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Re: Post Your Favorite Quote. [Re: GabbaDj]
    #5776845 - 06/21/06 03:01 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

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We are instructed daily to be firm believers in neoclassical markets, in which isolated individuals are rational wealth maximizers. If distortions are eliminated, the market should respond perfectly to their "votes," expressed in dollars or some counterpart. The value of a person's interests is measured the same way. In particular, the interests of those with no votes are valued at zero: future generations, for example.



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Re: Post Your Favorite Quote. [Re: newuser1492]
    #5776865 - 06/21/06 03:10 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

The following is one my favorite quotes.

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Rights are conditions of existence required by a human's metaphysical nature for his/her proper survival. If a human is to live, it is RIGHT for him to use his mind, it is RIGHT to act on his own free judgement, it is RIGHT for a human to work for his values and to keep the products of his work. If his own life is a human's purpose, he has a RIGHT to live as a rational being: nature forbids him the irrational. Any individual or group who attempts to negate a human's rights is WRONG.

A right is a moral principle defining and sanctioning a man's (or woman's) freedom of action in a social context. There is only one FUNDAMENTAL right (all the others are its consequences or corollaries): an individual's right to his/her own life. Since life is maintained through a process of self-sustaining and self-generated action, the right to life means the right to engage in such action. It means the freedom to take all the actions required by the nature of a rational being for the support, furtherance, fulfillment and enjoyment of his (or her) own life. Such is the meaning of the right to life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness.

The concept of a "right" pertains only to action -- specifically, to freedom of action. It means freedom from physical compulsion, coercion or interference by other humans... ANY other humans.

Thus, for every individual, a right is the moral sanction of a POSITIVE -- of his freedom to act on his own judgement, for his own goals, by his own voluntary, uncoerced choice. As to his neighbors, his rights impose no obligations on them except of a NEGATIVE kind: to abstain from violating his rights.

The concept of "rights" is the concept that provides the logical transition from the principles guiding an individual's actions to the principles guiding his relationship with others. It is the concept that preserves and protects individual morality in a social context -- the link between the moral code of a human and the legal code of a society, the link between ethics and politics. Individual rights are the means of subordinating society to moral law.

An individual holds rights, not FROM "the Collective" nor FOR the Collective, but AGAINST the Collective -- as a barrier which the Collective cannot cross. Rights are a human's protection against all other humans.



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Re: Post Your Favorite Quote. [Re: newuser1492]
    #5776963 - 06/21/06 03:42 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

Quote:

cb9fl said:
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We are instructed daily to be firm believers in neoclassical markets, in which isolated individuals are rational wealth maximizers. If distortions are eliminated, the market should respond perfectly to their "votes," expressed in dollars or some counterpart. The value of a person's interests is measured the same way. In particular, the interests of those with no votes are valued at zero: future generations, for example.







Where did you get this from?  I've actually taking economics courses at the University of Chicago (home of Milton Friedman, Gary Becker, and Steve Levitt) and I can say for certain that future generations do not have "no votes".

Now, granted, their vote would be "discounted" probably by something like (inflation rate)^(number of years in the future), but the equations describing this number would never ever reach zero, though that would be the asymtote they approach as you look at generations farther and farther into the future.  Whoever wrote that is horribly misinformed.  After all, most successful corporations always have models for "customer growth" and how to achieve that growth.  Doesn't that inherently mean that the free market takes future generations into account?  :wink:

As for my quote:

"The Democrats are a party of no ideas, the Republicans are a part of bad ideas"
-Comedian Louis Black

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Re: Post Your Favorite Quote. [Re: Economist]
    #5777100 - 06/21/06 04:32 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

"It is not the critic who counts; not the man who points out how the strong man stumbles, or where the doer of deeds could have done them better. The credit belongs to the man who is actually in the arena, whose face is marred by dust and sweat and blood; who strives valiantly; who errs, and comes short again and again, because there is no effort without error and shortcoming; but who does actually strive to do the deeds; who knows the great enthusiasms, the great devotions; who spends himself in a worthy cause; who at the best knows in the end the triumph of high achievement, and who at the worst, if he fails, at least fails while daring greatly, so that his place shall never be with those cold and timid souls who know neither victory nor defeat."

Theodore Roosevelt


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Re: Post Your Favorite Quote. [Re: Economist]
    #5780953 - 06/22/06 04:09 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

Noam Chomsky -- I can hear the hisses and boos coming from zappa and phred.

After watching Corporations: Pathological Pursuit of Power I came to believe Chomsky's statement. The owners of a corporation, as was confirmed by at least one CEO in Corporations, have no interest in the company after their death. Thus they have little insentive to sustain growth after their tenure has passed.

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Re: Post Your Favorite Quote. [Re: newuser1492]
    #5781477 - 06/22/06 06:59 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

So, what's the quote?


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Re: Post Your Favorite Quote. [Re: GabbaDj]
    #5781964 - 06/22/06 09:18 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

I can't pick just one....

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"The financial system has been turned over to... the Federal Reserve Board. That Board administers the finance of...a purely profiteering group. The system is private, conducted for the sole purpose of obtaining the greatest possible profits from the use of other people's money."- Rep. Charles. A Lindberg, (R-Minn.) 1923

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"We have in this country one of the most corrupt insitutions the world has ever known. I refer to the Federal Reserve Board...This evil institution has impoverished...the people of the United States...and has practically bankrupted our Government. It has done this through...the corrupt practices of the moneyed vultures who control it." - Former chairman of House Banking & Currency Committee during the depression years , Rep. Louis T. McFadden (R-Penn.)

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"Most Americans have no real understanding of the operation of the international moneylenders...The accounts of the Federal Reserve System have never been audited. It operates outside the control of Congress and manipulates the credit of the United States." - Senator Barry Goldwater (R-AZ)

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"The rich will strive to establish their dominon and enslave the rest. They always did. They always will... They will have the same effect here as elsewhere, if we do not by [the power of] government, keep them in their proper spheres."
-Gourvernor Morris

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"The hand that gives is above the hand that takes. Money has no motherland; financiers are without patriotism and without decency: their sole object is gain." - Napoleon Bonaparte

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"These International bankers and Rockefeller-Standard Oil interests control the majority of newspapers and the columns of these papers to club into submission or drive out of public office officials who refuse to do the bidding of the powerful corrupt cliques which compose the invisible government." - Theodore Roosevelt - 1919 March 27th 1922 edition of the New York Times

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"The warning of Theodore Roosevelt has much timeliness today, for the real menace of our republic is this invisible government which like a giant octopus sprawls its slimy length over city, state and nation... It seizes in its long and powerful tentacles our executive officers, our legislative bodies, our schools, our courts, our newspapers and every agency created for the public protection...

To depart from mere generalizations, let me say that at the head of this octopus are the Rockefeller-Standard Oil interest and a small group of powerful banking houses generally referred to as the international bankers. The little coterie of powerful international bankers virtually run the United States government for their own selfish purposes.

They practically control both parties, write political platforms, make cat's paws of party leaders, use the leading men of private organizations and resort to every device to place in nomination for high public office only such candidates as will be amenable to the dictates of corrupt big business.

These international bankers and Rockefeller-Standard Oil interests control the majority of newspapers and magazines in this country."

John Hylan, Mayor of New York
New York Times March 26th, 1922

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Regarding the crash of '29
"It was not accidental. It was a carefully contrived occurrence... The international bankers sought to bring about a condition of despair here so that they might emerge as rulers of us all."
-Rep. Lous T. McFadden (D-PA)

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"The Federal Reserve definitely caused The Great Depression by contracting the ammount of currency in circulation by one-third from 1929 to 1933."
--Milton Friedman, Nobel Prize winning economist





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Re: Post Your Favorite Quote. [Re: Clean]
    #5796702 - 06/27/06 06:19 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

Life is not fair; get used to it. Bill Gates

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Re: Post Your Favorite Quote. [Re: zappaisgod]
    #5797107 - 06/27/06 08:05 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

"It's all about the oil"
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Re: Post Your Favorite Quote. [Re: Rono]
    #5797158 - 06/27/06 08:21 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

"Im Rick James Bitch"

Dave Chapelle

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    #5799699 - 06/28/06 03:02 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

In a nation governed by the people themselves, the possession of arms to defend their nation against usurpers within and without was deemed absolutely necessary. This right is protected by the 2nd Amendment to the Constitution. A gun was an everyday implement in early American society, and Jefferson recommended its use. "A strong body makes the mind strong. As to the species of exercises, I advise the gun. While this gives moderate exercise to the body, it gives boldness, enterprise and independence to the mind. Games played with the ball, and others of that nature, are too violent for the body and stamp no character on the mind. Let your gun, therefore, be the constant companion of your walks." --Thomas Jefferson to Peter Carr, 1785. ME 5:85, Papers 8:407


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Re: Post Your Favorite Quote. [Re: faslimy]
    #5802765 - 06/29/06 10:39 AM (17 years, 10 months ago)

Quote:

faslimy said:
haha




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