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U.S. Missle Shield goes active, North Korea prepares for test missle launch
#5772487 - 06/20/06 01:23 PM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20060620/ap_on_re_as/nkorea_missile_test - north korea redies for test. http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20060620/us_nm/arms_usa_missile_dc_2 --- us activates missle shield.
so here is the deal for those of you that dont want to read the links. North korea, who is working tirelessly on getting nukes (and probably allready has them) is currently fueling a new missle for a test. this missle (tapedong-2) is supposedly able to reach as far as the western united states.
In response to this we have actually activated out missle shield (that dosent work all that well)
North korea's first launch window is later in the day on wednesday and it is very probable that they will be launching this missile in the near future. Currently sattellite info has about 40 fueling trucks on site, and about 1000 troops on the ground (north korean) gurading this site.
Back in i believe 97 or so, north korea riggered an international incident by test firing a missile over Japan without warning.
The united states has vowed that any such action would be a provocitave act, and has located 2 aegis cruisers off of the coast of north korea, capable of shooting any test missile out of the sky. there are also interceptors located elsewhere in the pacific as well as the west coast...
" U.S. intelligence officials said there are signs that the North Koreans recently began fueling the Taepodong with highly corrosive rocket fuel. Normally, when liquid fuel is loaded into missiles the missile must be fired within five to 10 days, or it must be de-fueled and the motors cleaned, a difficult and hazardous process"
so in the next week were going to see some interesting shit.
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Re: U.S. Missle Shield goes active, North Korea prepares for test missle launch [Re: ZippoZ]
#5772533 - 06/20/06 01:42 PM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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Definitely going to be interesting. Hopefully nothing too bad will come from this.
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Re: U.S. Missle Shield goes active, North Korea prepares for test missle launch [Re: ZippoZ]
#5772659 - 06/20/06 02:15 PM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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whats next we are going to occupy north korea. i know we already have troops but you guys think were going to go all out with them and iran at the same time. its amazing how many countries are trying to blow our asses up.
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Re: U.S. Missle Shield goes active, North Korea prepares for test missle launch [Re: VoidOfsPg]
#5772666 - 06/20/06 02:18 PM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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My prediction: nothing bad at all will come from this one test (other than NK being that much closer to a working ICBM).
No one is going to panick too hard when NK fires a missile that they told everyone about in the first place. Not like it's going to be a surprise or anything
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Re: U.S. Missle Shield goes active, North Korea prepares for test missle launch [Re: trendal]
#5772673 - 06/20/06 02:22 PM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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still it will be a limited exchange, you know that the us has those 2 aegis crusiers out there specifically to shoot down any test missile...
and that whole corrosive fuel thing, means that it will be happening very soon
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Re: U.S. Missle Shield goes active, North Korea prepares for test missle launch [Re: ZippoZ]
#5772683 - 06/20/06 02:25 PM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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Very interesting. The next 2-3 days should be interesting. I love it!!!
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Re: U.S. Missle Shield goes active, North Korea prepares for test missle launch [Re: Penguarky Tunguin]
#5772760 - 06/20/06 02:51 PM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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Re: U.S. Missle Shield goes active, North Korea prepares for test missle launch [Re: Penguarky Tunguin]
#5772774 - 06/20/06 02:57 PM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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We should have used nukes in Nam. The problem is that all the people who were young officers in WW2 became generals in the nam era and didnt have the balls to do what needed to be done. This was because the power of the two nuclear weapons we dropped in Japan scared the shit out of them.
If the Koreans knew they could expect a nuclear strike from the USA they would have abandoned their program when we first warned them. I highly doubt if we did nuke Korea that china would nuke the United States. China is an ally of Korea but china does not want to be vaporised.
The way to win a war is not to show the enemy that we will invade and occupy their land but to show them that they will surrender or be eradicated. Our generals need to understand the higher risk reward aspect rather than wasting american troops lives at a lower risk and not accomplishing anything.
Dont get me wrong Im all for peace. But you cant deny that there are many dangerous, hostile countries and ignoring them will not make them go away. In fact the world would be in a much better place if we had dealt with russia the way they needed to be dealt with in the early stages (before they tested a bomb). The entire cold war may have been avoided and basically communism could have been squashed.
You can whine about the civillian causualties aspect all you want but the truth is if you want to take the cookies blood has to be spilled and in all truth better them than US.
In a nutshell Im sick of the USA fucking around with all these pussies, DO OR DO NOT THERE IS NO TRY.
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Re: U.S. Missle Shield goes active, North Korea prepares for test missle launch [Re: Mr_Brown]
#5772822 - 06/20/06 03:16 PM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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So, you're all for a doomsday device then?
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Re: U.S. Missle Shield goes active, North Korea prepares for test missle launch [Re: Mr_Brown]
#5772828 - 06/20/06 03:17 PM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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Oh really and why should we of nuked NAM? I didnt recall any vietnamese launching attacks on the US? This was during the cold war, it could of led to a massive nuclear war, your not supposed to just casually nuke people in a war.
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Re: U.S. Missle Shield goes active, North Korea prepares for test missle launch [Re: geokills]
#5772829 - 06/20/06 03:18 PM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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I feel that we are sleeping in a bed we have made. Although it doesnt have to be like that.
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Re: U.S. Missle Shield goes active, North Korea prepares for test missle launch [Re: Mr_Brown]
#5772833 - 06/20/06 03:19 PM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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That's an effective approach, nuke em before they spread, but it's too absolute. Noone can be trusted with that kind of power.
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Re: U.S. Missle Shield goes active, North Korea prepares for test missle launch [Re: The_Red_Crayon]
#5772854 - 06/20/06 03:24 PM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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The_Red_Crayon said: Oh really and why should we of nuked NAM? I didnt recall any vietnamese launching attacks on the US? This was during the cold war, it could of led to a massive nuclear war, your not supposed to just casually nuke people in a war.
North Vietnam took over a peaceful country. They helped to sread a communism (which doesnt work). If we had nuked Nam it is highly unlikely a nuclear war would have ensued. Remember the soviets were just as scared as us. They dont want to die. Unless we nuked them directly they most likely wouldnt have done shit. Like I said its all risk reward. People who take the largest risks run the world. Our conventional methods did not work in Nam (and arent working today). Japan proves that nukes can be used effectively.
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Re: U.S. Missle Shield goes active, North Korea prepares for test missle launch [Re: Cowgold]
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Not to mention the unpredictable environmental impact upon our ecosystems - our source of life! Nuke's should be a last resort.. and for that matter so should any physical force!
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Re: U.S. Missle Shield goes active, North Korea prepares for test missle launch [Re: geokills]
#5772877 - 06/20/06 03:30 PM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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Re: U.S. Missle Shield goes active, North Korea prepares for test missle launch [Re: geokills]
#5772927 - 06/20/06 03:45 PM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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geokills said: Not to mention the unpredictable environmental impact upon our ecosystems - our source of life! Nuke's should be a last resort.. and for that matter so should any physical force!
Kill us all or kill no one.
The USA has tested over 40 nuclear weapons on Bikini Atoll. They arent that detrimental to the environment. Dont get me wrong they are bad but not as bad as cold war propaganda has made everyone believe. The Bikini Atoll is doing pretty well actually. People live in hiroshima and Nagasaki. It takes time for things to recover but its not forever. Using nukes does not neccesarily mean everyone dies.
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Re: U.S. Missle Shield goes active, North Korea prepares for test missle launch [Re: geokills]
#5772928 - 06/20/06 03:45 PM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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And its 1,2,3 What are we fighting for. Don't ask me, I don't give a damn. Next stop is "N. Korea". Be the 1st one on your block to have your boy come home in a box. 
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Re: U.S. Missle Shield goes active, North Korea prepares for test missle launch [Re: Mr_Brown]
#5772969 - 06/20/06 03:55 PM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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Mr_Brown said: The USA has tested over 40 nuclear weapons. They aren't that detrimental to the environment. The Bikini Atoll were they were tested is doing pretty well actually. People live in hiroshima and Nagasaki. It takes a while for things to recover but its not forever.
Over 40? That's all? 
You need to do some reading about nuclear weapons before you talk about them as if you did read about them 
The US alone performed over 1000 nuclear tests, about 300 of them were above-ground "atmospheric" tests: http://nuclearweaponarchive.org/
The reason only 300 of them were done above-ground is that after 300 they had learned just how dangerous the nuclear material that is released from a nuke is. Global radiation levels rose during the years of above-ground nuke tests. Probably the most significant (from a human-fatality standpoint) by-product of nuke tests is Strontium-90 which is readily taken into the food-chain because of its similarities to Calcium. Once it's in the food chain, it can easily work its way up to humans - where it causes childhood leukemia and other cancers.
That's just one of the many risks involved with atmospheric nuclear explosions.
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Re: U.S. Missle Shield goes active, North Korea prepares for test missle launch [Re: trendal]
#5772983 - 06/20/06 04:00 PM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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I meant 40 on Bikini island sorry. Atmospheric tests are done in the atmosphere and are different from exploding a bomb above ground. It is you who needs to read up. Of course if you detonate a nuclear weapon way up in the atmosphere its going to spread shit all around.
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Re: U.S. Missle Shield goes active, North Korea prepares for test missle launch [Re: trendal]
#5772986 - 06/20/06 04:00 PM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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Mr_Brown said: The USA has tested over 40 nuclear weapons.
Over 40? That's all?  The US alone performed over 1000 nuclear tests, about 300 of them were above-ground
if you guys would read the article you'd see we're really almost defenseless 
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While military officials also note the United States has a limited missile defense system
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Re: U.S. Missle Shield goes active, North Korea prepares for test missle launch [Re: Prisoner#1]
#5773273 - 06/20/06 05:39 PM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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yeah, and if you read the articles a bit more, then youll see that most of the missile test data is bullshit, and that they didnt actually work that well.
and as for the lack of detrimental implact was beacuse the bikinni atoll tests were done on an island, not a populated area.
read up on nuclear winter, downwinders, and fallout. then try and tell me that its not that enviornmentally efective.
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Re: U.S. Missle Shield goes active, North Korea prepares for test missle launch [Re: ZippoZ]
#5773732 - 06/20/06 07:17 PM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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A lot of countries despise america...
Sooner or later I believe the world will end or be majorly destroyed somehow involving the us..
Im not an american-hater, im actually Canadian and I know a lot of americans are good people. However, if they keep venturing out into other countries it is just asking for trouble.
Nastradmous predicted things about america causing the world to end as well.. I just hope Bush plays things safe because he has a lot of power behind him and if he uses it the wrong way it can lead to catastrophic events.
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Re: U.S. Missle Shield goes active, North Korea prepares for test missle launch [Re: ZippoZ]
#5773756 - 06/20/06 07:26 PM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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zippoz said: and as for the lack of detrimental implact was beacuse the bikinni atoll tests were done on an island, not a populated area.
it was populated, 4 islands were vaporized during the bravo test, they move the inhabitants and now 50 years later they're moving them back and giving them $700,000,000 and change
my ost was sarcastic, dont assume that our mistles arent that effective because the article said so, was it you that posted the news about the new nukes being developed?
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Re: U.S. Missle Shield goes active, North Korea prepares for test missle launch [Re: Prisoner#1]
#5784349 - 06/23/06 04:53 PM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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So whats the news?
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Re: U.S. Missle Shield goes active, North Korea prepares for test missle launch [Re: Mr_Brown]
#5784380 - 06/23/06 05:07 PM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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Serious discussions of "fuck it, we should have just nuked them" are usually a sign that the person talking has no idea what they're talking about.
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Re: U.S. Missle Shield goes active, North Korea prepares for test missle launch [Re: Mr_Brown]
#5784617 - 06/23/06 06:43 PM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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We should have used nukes in Nam.
That would absolutely have made no sense at all. The Japanese Army was rigidly controlled by the Emperor who happened to be God himself.
Vietnam was a guerilla war. If you had nuked Hanoi then that would be the same effect as stuffing a firecracker into a wasps nest. You'd destroy the nest, but the wasps will be so angry that they'd take their utmost effort to sting you to death. Everybody north and south wouldve become VC if you nuked Vietnam, in guerilla warfare thats like martyring a CITY. So no, bad idea. If there is a conflict of Conventional Army vs Guerilla Army then the Conventional Army always loses. The USA in Vietnam and the USSR in Afghanistan proved that.
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It takes time for things to recover but its not forever.
Most of the radioactive material that was present in the Heroshima/Nagasaki bombs, gram for gram, still is radioactive today and will be just that for millions of years more. The radioactivity becomes less and less, but it takes one stray neutron or gamma ray to disrupt a strand of DNA.
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Using nukes does not neccesarily mean everyone dies.
Tactical nukes typically are smaller than the Heroshima bomb, typically 0.5-5 kT (compared to 10-15 kT) these small bombs which are most likely to be used in future conflicts kill mostly by radiation.
Radiation death is a horrible thing. Snap! in one flash you get your dose and you die a gruesome death in the days or months thereafter. Many survivors remain sickly the rest of their lives.
Websearch biorobots when at the closing of the Chernobyl sarcophagus the robotcarts collected so much radiation that they kept breaking down, soldiers were deployed to do the work. Their job consisted of ninety seconds of debris shoveling, clad in lead plates, on the roofs of adjacent reactors. Most of these 20.000 people are either dead or severely disabled even today and they contacted the same isotopers and radiations as nuke victims will. Radiation poisoning is UGLY.
Then the other kind of bomb is the citybuster which is a device of usually 900kT. These are the big hydrogen bombs. These are so large that they mostly kill by thermal effects.
The Tsar Bomba of 50 Mt would give you third degree burns at 100 kilometers distance. Scorched and on fire, baking and broiling on the pavement you writhe there praying for the blast wave to put you out of your misery. That blast wave will take a full five minutes to arrive, and won't knock you unconscious but rather fan the flames or, if you are lucky, collapse a building on top of you.
Moral of the story: small nukes are worse than putting someone in a microwave and big nukes are like napalming a region miles and miles across. It's all slow, agonized death, and on top of that there's lasting radiation.
Don't underestimate nuclear weapons: they are the most horrible weapon stockpiled today.
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Well the US did a test to show they can intercept a missile. LOL to that! Intercept it when it re-enters the atmosphere, at 15.000 miles per hour, after it MIRV-ed into five independent maneuverable warheads flying in all directions at said speeds.
And if these five warheads reach five cities and break up into submunitions of lets say engineered smallpox or a genetically modified ebola strain, one rocket might bring America to its knees. They will then nuke the shit out of North Korea, but that does nothing to diminish their own catastrophy.
The 600kg payload of the North Korea missile could well harbour a MIRV system with 5 individually manuvrable warheads which can contain nukes, chems or bioweapons. The thing to fear would definitely be bioweapons, any nation can have those ready in a month and super ones can be produced in a small facility in a year.
Let them fire their missile. It will give the world the information on its true capabilities, and they could static-test it anyway. There won't be a warhead on this one, its just politics.
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Re: U.S. Missle Shield goes active, North Korea prepares for test missle launch [Re: Asante]
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Re: U.S. Missle Shield goes active, North Korea prepares for test missle launch [Re: Snaggletooth]
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Re: U.S. Missle Shield goes active, North Korea prepares for test missle launch [Re: Asante]
#5784647 - 06/23/06 06:56 PM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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that was not to you, I dont know how to use the reply
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Re: U.S. Missle Shield goes active, North Korea prepares for test missle launch [Re: Snaggletooth]
#5784655 - 06/23/06 06:58 PM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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Ok, I'll buy that for now. How much is that? I only have my $0.02
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Re: U.S. Missle Shield goes active, North Korea prepares for test missle launch [Re: Asante]
#5784671 - 06/23/06 07:03 PM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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I dont know
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Re: U.S. Missle Shield goes active, North Korea prepares for test missle launch [Re: Mr_Brown]
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