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Basilides
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Re: When is war against the terror going to end? [Re: Crobih]
#5784924 - 06/23/06 08:34 PM (17 years, 10 months ago) |
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The war on terrorism began and ended with Afghanistan. Right now they're just fighting thin air in the sense that they are killing "terrorists" who never would have dreamed of taking up arms 3-4 years ago. The US can kill deadenders all they like, that doesn't make it a "War on Terrorism". Besides, I thought it was renamed to the global struggle against extremism or something.
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Re: When is war against the terror going to end? [Re: Basilides]
#5785286 - 06/23/06 10:17 PM (17 years, 10 months ago) |
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More and more this "war/conflict/police action" is beginning to feel like Vietnam.
At least in Vietnam....we were ASKED to intervene. We never declared "war"........just sent some "advisers", troops and weapons. Never had a clear objective.....and lost many American lives in the process.
People on both sides were/are dying....but it's not a "war" 
What do you call a situation, where two countries are trying to kill each other. If we are going to argue over what to call this conflict.....lets make up our minds now.
The situation in Iraq, is it a....
1. War 2. Police Action 3. Bureaucratic Cluster Fuck 4. An attempt to spread peace and democracy.
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Re: When is war against the terror going to end? [Re: niteowl]
#5785380 - 06/23/06 10:57 PM (17 years, 10 months ago) |
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5) An attempt to bypass reason and foster repression.
Okay it's not very catchy.
People need simple, wrong solutions.
I'm out of ideas, guys. Sorry.
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Re: When is war against the terror going to end? [Re: zorbman]
#5785440 - 06/23/06 11:21 PM (17 years, 10 months ago) |
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6)A Conflict
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Alex213
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Re: When is war against the terror going to end? [Re: zappaisgod]
#5785581 - 06/24/06 12:31 AM (17 years, 10 months ago) |
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You wrote that we declared war on terrorists.
I wrote no such thing.
Read your own fucking posts.
You're the one misinterpreting them, YOU fucking read them
Whether you were the originator of that sentence is irrelevant, you used it.
Bullshit. You have misinterpreted my post and made yourself look silly. Get over it.
you could just as easily say that world war 2 was a war against a proper noun, i.e. the Axis Powers
The axis powers can be defined tho. Germany, Italy, Japan. The war had a clear goal and objective. Can you give break down who we are fighting in the "war on terror" and what our objective is?
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Re: When is war against the terror going to end? [Re: Alex213]
#5785943 - 06/24/06 03:29 AM (17 years, 10 months ago) |
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Alex, let me make it clear for you: Bush reserves the right to attack anyone, at anytime under the umbrella of the bogus 'War on Terror'. People who like this sort of thing are unreasonable and not worth your time debating. They are permanent fifteen-year olds who think "kicking ass" is cool. They got their wet-dream in this President and won't stop until the nation's coffers are drained.
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Re: When is war against the terror going to end? [Re: Alex213]
#5786485 - 06/24/06 12:23 PM (17 years, 10 months ago) |
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Quote:
Alex213 said: You wrote that we declared war on terrorists.
I wrote no such thing.
You sure did. Here it is again, in its entirety.
"There isn't an enemy-state that we have declared "war" on, just "terrorists".
Good point. It's a war on an abstract noun. Those are pretty hard wars to win."Quote:
Read your own fucking posts.
You're the one misinterpreting them, YOU fucking read them 
Learn to express yourself. There wasn't an abstract noun in the whole post.Quote:
Whether you were the originator of that sentence is irrelevant, you used it.
Bullshit. You have misinterpreted my post and made yourself look silly. Get over it.
Learn to express yourself. There wasn't an abstract noun in the whole post.Quote:
you could just as easily say that world war 2 was a war against a proper noun, i.e. the Axis Powers
The axis powers can be defined tho. Germany, Italy, Japan. The war had a clear goal and objective. Can you give break down who we are fighting in the "war on terror" and what our objective is?
In the "War on Terror" (metaphor) we are "fighting" (metaphor) to prevent non-state bad actors from attacking (not metaphor)us and our interests. As to your assertion that these "wars" (metaphor) are hard to "win" (metaphor) who the fuck are you to say? Do you think you get to decide the parameters of "victory" (metaphor)?
If you want to indulge yourself in pointless linguistic masturbation ("It's a war on an abstract noun."), that's fine. Stupid, but fine. As the general blithering idiot but brilliant linguistic theorist Chomsky said, "You are confusing the map with the territory." Wake up. The map does not take on every characteristic of the territory nor does the territory change to fit the map. It is utterly assinine and childish to equate the two.
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Re: When is war against the terror going to end? [Re: Crobih]
#5786925 - 06/24/06 04:27 PM (17 years, 10 months ago) |
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the answer to the title ? is .."if there is ever a point where the neocons no longer need "terrorists" as a pretense to impose power.. or if they should ever find something that better suits that purpose"...
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Re: When is war against the terror going to end? [Re: Crobih]
#5787431 - 06/24/06 07:59 PM (17 years, 10 months ago) |
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SHORT answer, .
When you STOP asking questions and just BEHAVE!, this is all for your own good, now get back to work. (its all about power and distraction in other then the need for real concern, the rest of it is a gong show, look over here while we take your rights away, we have to invade such and such, or WE wont be free, anyone that cant see this is already in the sand)
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Re: When is war against the terror going to end? [Re: Psilocybeingzz]
#5788049 - 06/24/06 11:16 PM (17 years, 10 months ago) |
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"Besides, I thought it was renamed to the global struggle against extremism or something."
Last I'd heard, the Pentagon was calling it The Long War. I think that answers the title question nicely, too.
It'll end when Americans get back into the streets and resume demonstrating their disapproval of this 3. Bureaucratic Cluster Fuck (I like '5. An attempt to bypass reason and foster repression' too, but 3 is way catchier) in numbers that make it politically untenable for a candidate hoping to get re-elected to support it. At least that's what I'd like to think, I have been known to be hopelessly naive. As for the debate over this Bureaucratic Cluster Fuck's justification and reasons for being, I think the song I'm listening to as I write this speaks to that quite nicely... 'You will die for the glory of... shit, I can't put my finger on it. But it's big... big and legitimate, justifies women and kiddie killer shit, iller it builds..." -- Aesop Rock, Winners Take All
"Can the troglodytes govern themselves peacably?" Hurray for racism! It's not like they haven't in the past, imperial powers just have a habit of overthrowing Iraqi leaders who suggest re-intergrating Kuwait into Iraq.
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