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When is war against the terror going to end?
    #5771799 - 06/20/06 10:53 AM (14 years, 10 months ago)

I suppose muslims can not be eradicated, as long as there is too many of them.

So, if we accept this idea, what is the other way of finishing this great war US is fighting? Is there any idea who can this war actually end, will it end ever?

If the answer is no, how do you accept the fact you live in the country who fights the war, kills thousands of innocent with no change to succeed?

Are you affraid of it?


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Re: When is war against the terror going to end? [Re: Crobih]
    #5771940 - 06/20/06 12:09 PM (14 years, 10 months ago)

Someone really should direct this question to the president, since he's really one of the only people dumb enough to think this is the type of war that has a definitive end.


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Re: When is war against the terror going to end? [Re: Crobih]
    #5771956 - 06/20/06 12:16 PM (14 years, 10 months ago)

The war on Islamic terrorists will end when Islamic terrorists give up, and not before. That will be a very long time from now, if ever.

The very nature of Islam ensures there will always be Muslims who believe it is their duty under Allah to achieve their goals through violent means. The only way to alter that is for Islam to reform itself, and by the very nature of the basic Islamic tenets, that is never going to happen -- at least not completely. Devout Muslims believe the Koran is literally the word of Allah, unaltered from the time Mohammed revealed this will. The best we can hope for is that more and more Muslims will follow the path so many Christians and Jews and even Mormons have -- that they will become less observant and more lax in their devotions as time goes by.




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Re: When is war against the terror going to end? [Re: Phred]
    #5771991 - 06/20/06 12:29 PM (14 years, 10 months ago)

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The war on Islamic terrorists will end when Islamic terrorists give up, and not before. That will be a very long time from now, if ever.




Give up from what, Phred? I can not notice that Islamic terrorist harm you in US at all? Or you are preparing for such thing, such as Hitler did by attacking Poland? Thats neat.

Neverhtless, you really think that the World is based on only one option you eventually are aware of? Is there any possiblity there might be some more options, eventually?

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The very nature of Islam ensures there will always be Muslims who believe it is their duty under Allah to achieve their goals through violent means. The only way to alter that is for Islam to reform itself, and by the very nature of the basic Islamic tenets, that is never going to happen -- at least not completely.




I can notice many lunatics around the World, yet nobody bombs them just because they are lunatics. What is maybe even more important. some people do find Americans in whole as great lunatics, so do these people have the right to nuke US just because they believe so? I think not. You?

Or you have different principles for you and different for others?

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Devout Muslims believe the Koran is literally the word of Allah, unaltered from the time Mohammed revealed this will. The best we can hope for is that more and more Muslims will follow the path so many Christians and Jews and even Mormons have -- that they will become less observant and more lax in their devotions as time goes by.




This is common thing seen throughout the history. Lunatics who kill in the name of God, of Freedom and so on and so on. And I do not see much differnece as long as I find all of them be irresponsible to World, taking pretty shitty, Nazi like Karma. And you?


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Re: When is war against the terror going to end? [Re: Crobih]
    #5772005 - 06/20/06 12:33 PM (14 years, 10 months ago)

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Give up from what, Phred? I can not notice that Islamic terrorist harm you in US at all? Or you are preparing for such thing, such as Hitler did by attacking Poland? Thats neat.




I think you're forgetting about that one time when a bunch of those nutjobs hijacked a few planes.


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Re: When is war against the terror going to end? [Re: Redstorm]
    #5772018 - 06/20/06 12:38 PM (14 years, 10 months ago)

Of course I did not. Yet, does this act give you the right to nuke every single country with Muslims as a majority? And not just country, but all the people who claim as Muslims?

Or did you see this little massacre of US army in Iraq? Do you find this thing be enough for antiamericans fight the Americans as long as they claim to be one of those?


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Re: When is war against the terror going to end? [Re: Crobih]
    #5772024 - 06/20/06 12:39 PM (14 years, 10 months ago)

It seems that your logic says:" Yes it is all right, lets eliminate every single American lunatic who wants to destroy the Earth". I do not share your opinion.


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Re: When is war against the terror going to end? [Re: Crobih]
    #5772035 - 06/20/06 12:42 PM (14 years, 10 months ago)

Who said anything about nukes?


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Re: When is war against the terror going to end? [Re: Redstorm]
    #5772050 - 06/20/06 12:47 PM (14 years, 10 months ago)

War is good, nukes are bad? :laugh:


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Re: When is war against the terror going to end? [Re: Crobih]
    #5772053 - 06/20/06 12:47 PM (14 years, 10 months ago)

War is sometimes necessary, though never good. Nukes are bad.


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Re: When is war against the terror going to end? [Re: Redstorm]
    #5772086 - 06/20/06 12:55 PM (14 years, 10 months ago)

So, when is war necessary? When some president states lies in order to start it? Such as Hitler did? What can legitimate exact war? I mean, UN did not legitimated it, the president who started admited whe was actually lying about the reason, none attacked your territory.

Do you find the war against the Iraq as necessity?


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Re: When is war against the terror going to end? [Re: Crobih]
    #5772092 - 06/20/06 12:56 PM (14 years, 10 months ago)

War is necessary when we are attacked or declared war on.

No, I do not believe the war in Iraq was a necessity. I do believe we were justified in going to Afghanistan, though/


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Re: When is war against the terror going to end? [Re: Redstorm]
    #5772110 - 06/20/06 01:02 PM (14 years, 10 months ago)

You can't fight a war against a non-state entity, that kind of defeats the concept of "war".

Just like the War on Drugs - it's not really a "war" at all, just a failed criminal justice case that is labeled "war" to make it sound more important and necessary to the general public.

The US is treating a criminal situation as if it were a full-scale war - which it isn't. I've said it before and I'll say it again - in doing so the US is making far more enemies than it had before the "war" on terror began. (yes that's abbreviated TWOT!)


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Re: When is war against the terror going to end? [Re: Redstorm]
    #5772112 - 06/20/06 01:03 PM (14 years, 10 months ago)

OK. Yet, it seems to me this Iraq thing is just one stage of the global warfare Americas oligarchy got involved into, initiated by mysterious Al Quaida and great friend of Bush fammily Osama.

It seems to me that US oligarchy needs enemies, needs continous wars in order to keep its domination against American people. So, as long as Nazis are not existing, Commies are not popular (even alive), so you need something storng, something different, something new.

Muslims.

And those idiots (Muslims) play they role as puppets as long as they are gennerally stupid as all people who are not into big manipulation games regularly are.

And you are part of this great Hoax with actually only one enemy. The one that brings every season new patriot act leading you to thrue slavery and unceratinty.


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Re: When is war against the terror going to end? [Re: trendal]
    #5772120 - 06/20/06 01:05 PM (14 years, 10 months ago)

If you were responding to me, I agree with you 100%.


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Re: When is war against the terror going to end? [Re: Redstorm]
    #5772137 - 06/20/06 01:10 PM (14 years, 10 months ago)

I was just kind of responding in general, yours happened to be the last post in the thread at the time :wink:

I thought you would agree with that, redstorm!


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Re: When is war against the terror going to end? [Re: trendal]
    #5772139 - 06/20/06 01:11 PM (14 years, 10 months ago)

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You can't fight a war against a non-state entity, that kind of defeats the concept of "war".

Just like the War on Drugs - it's not really a "war" at all, just a failed criminal justice case that is labeled "war" to make it sound more important and necessary to the general public.

The US is treating a criminal situation as if it were a full-scale war - which it isn't. I've said it before and I'll say it again - in doing so the US is making far more enemies than it had before the "war" on terror began. (yes that's abbreviated TWOT!)




Hmh. I can notice you attacked Iraq and Afganistan in these several years bringing pretty much mess into that system. I can not notice that you attacked any country in war against drugs.

So, there is a slight difference, right?


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Re: When is war against the terror going to end? [Re: Crobih]
    #5772147 - 06/20/06 01:13 PM (14 years, 10 months ago)

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Hmh. I can notice you attacked Iraq and Afganistan in these several years bringing pretty much mess into that system. I can not notice that you attacked any country in war against drugs.



Well, not directly. But we have used the War on Drugs as an excuse to help governments fight leftist guerillas.


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Re: When is war against the terror going to end? [Re: Silversoul]
    #5772157 - 06/20/06 01:18 PM (14 years, 10 months ago)

As long as I can notice, we do agree about the fact that this war can not end by the win of US. So, is there any other option? Such as that US gets destroyed due to all of these wars? Goes around, comes around stuff?

What I can notice, people througout the world do not show great empaty to US soldiers in Iraq, nor do they show such empaty for innocent people in Iraq. If the war gets to US, would people all over the world look at Americans in the same manner?

Showing no empaty? And do you actually deserve it after all mess you did?


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Re: When is war against the terror going to end? [Re: Crobih]
    #5772194 - 06/20/06 01:31 PM (14 years, 10 months ago)

I was only using the War on Drugs as a comparrison to show that the War on Terror isn't really a war, by definition.


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