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    #5768542 - 06/19/06 03:42 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

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Re: Helicopter [Re: msisaves]
    #5768560 - 06/19/06 03:48 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

Quote:

msisaves said:
Do you guys have any idea what this could be?




A good sign to stop doing stuff he shouldn't be doing.

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Re: Helicopter [Re: msisaves]
    #5768562 - 06/19/06 03:48 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

Infra-red search to check for grow lights would be my guess.

Definately time to close down shop and/or head to a new county/state. :thumbup:


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Re: Helicopter [Re: Mezcal]
    #5768563 - 06/19/06 03:48 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

He's stopped

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Re: Helicopter [Re: msisaves]
    #5768581 - 06/19/06 03:56 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

He needs to get all the illegal shit out of there and vacuum too, clean everything as best as possible and do it real fuckin' quick before they possibly get their search warrant and come back.

Were there any grow lights hot during the time when the neighbor reported seeing the helicopter?


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Re: Helicopter [Re: Microcosmatrix]
    #5768596 - 06/19/06 03:59 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

Yes they were. He's replaced his plants with flowers. Bad idea? It's all gone out of his house.

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Re: Helicopter [Re: msisaves]
    #5768989 - 06/19/06 05:50 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

So this is definitely what he thought it was? What's the chances of his house being raided?

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Re: Helicopter [Re: msisaves]
    #5768992 - 06/19/06 05:51 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

I would:

#1) get all of the plant material including roots, stems, seeds out.

#2) Get all of the quasi-legal things out like scales, grow guides, grow lights, pots, ferts, everything grow-related. Out to somewhere safe.

note: DO NOT throw any grow trash away to the curb!! Use toilet or take trash away to some anonymous dumpster.

#3) CLEAN EVERYTHING!! Vacuum, then empty bag in toilet. No stems/flakes/seeds in carpet!!

DO IT FAST!!!

Then:

OBSERVE your surroundings. Are you being followed? Make no sensitive phone calls from the house or cell phone anymore, use payphone if anything.


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Re: Helicopter [Re: msisaves]
    #5769005 - 06/19/06 05:54 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

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What's the chances of his house being raided?




Since infra-red searches now require a warrant, the probability is high that they got an infra-red search warrant, and based on the findings, could be applying for a full search warrant.

That's why I'm emphasizing "time is of the essence" for proper clean-up.


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Re: Helicopter [Re: msisaves]
    #5769092 - 06/19/06 06:14 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

And get the computer out too if he posts on grow boards, or has proud grower pics on it, or even if he doesn't it could still be used to investigate his bank accounts and search his emails. etc. etc.

note: Deleting pics, and clearing the cache/cookies/passwords isn't good enough, forensics will find it all. Get it out or buy a brand new hard drive and keep it spotlessly clean. (Format the old one and put it with the grow lights and other stuff)


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Re: Helicopter [Re: Microcosmatrix]
    #5769128 - 06/19/06 06:21 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

You've definately been targeted! Move fast, think clearly, and good luck!!
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Re: Helicopter [Re: msisaves]
    #5769965 - 06/19/06 09:39 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

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msisaves said:
Yes they were. He's replaced his plants with flowers. Bad idea? It's all gone out of his house.




orchids would be nice, people associate them with being hard to grow, leave the
lights and some orchids, enough to make it look like you really are groing them,
most people know orchids need special care and cant be grown out doors.

Do as Microcosmatrix said and move everyhthing else out of your house, the next
thing you'll hear is the cops saying "we have a call about a noise complaint,
someone said they heard a woman scream, can we talk to the lady of the house"

they'll claim they have to because of the nature of the complaint, it may be
false but it'll be in court where thats straightened out

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Re: Helicopter [Re: Prisoner#1]
    #5771560 - 06/20/06 05:58 AM (17 years, 10 months ago)

I would also retain a lawyer. When the police do show up, you will be a step ahead of them. Remember, do not consent to anything. If they ask you, it is because they need permission. If they didn't need permission, trust me, they wouldn't ask. To any and all questions, politely reply that you must speak with your lawyer before making any comment. If they ask to search your house, politely reply that you must speak with your lawyer before giving them permission. If they search anyway, don't try to stop them. Be polite and do not resist, yell, fight, get upset, or anything else. Don't give them anything to work with or use against you later. At this point it is all about damage control.

> If they didn't need permission, trust me, they wouldn't ask.

Heh... my first time quoting myself before I even get the post out. Sometimes the cops will ask for permission even when they don't need it. This helps them later if the probable cause used during the search gets tossed. If the person still allowed them to do the search, then the probable cause getting tossed doesn't matter. But usually, when a cop asks you for permission, it is because they don't have the right to do whatever they are asking about without your consent.


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Re: Helicopter [Re: Seuss]
    #5772765 - 06/20/06 02:54 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

He thanks you guys for all of the help. The orchid thing is a great idea, he already has a few in his home growing. I know the light that he uses for his orchids can't get very hot, it's only a 125w light. If the heat sensor picked up the minimal amount of heat it was giving off, would it actually matter? He says a lot of the equipment he's bought has been with Ebay and he has paid with paypal everytime, which was a mistake. I know he's definitely playing it safe for a little while no matter what.

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Re: Helicopter [Re: msisaves]
    #5773019 - 06/20/06 04:09 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

Keep us posted. I'm waiting for the raid.

It takes a lot of money to operate a helicopter. They didn't just do it for fun. Think "informant"


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Re: Helicopter [Re: msisaves]
    #5773894 - 06/20/06 08:06 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

buying the legal equipment is not how your friend came to be scrutinized.

if it goes that far, the records of those sales may be used in court to show intent. that is all

but if your friends has some legit plants(orchids, veggies, whatever) going, then that entire aspect is pretty well useless in court.

shit like this can get messy.....but your friend is way ahead of the game at this point.

just hope they have no hard evidence of a sale or of the grow that was there.

if not...all good

don't ever grow at that locale again

edit in: wait a minute.....he only had one 125watter going?!

was it against an outside wall? or in the attic?

there is no way they even got a positive signature with only that little light

but still good that he cleaned up....as stated, they dont just do IR scans for shits and giggles. someone either tipped them or something far worse


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Re: Helicopter [Re: msisaves]
    #5773967 - 06/20/06 08:24 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

He was only using 125W? There's no way that would have tripped alarm bells at the electric company.

The ways that pot growers get busted:

1. High electric bills.
2. Someone telling on you by going to the cops.
3. Someone doing a controlled buy with you.

If they did #3...they wouldn't bother with infrareding the guy. It was probably #1 or #2. But, if the guy was only using a 125W light then it probably wasn't #1. It probably was #2. This means that the guy probably has a rat near him.

Once #2 happens, the cops will take your garbage. They don't need a warrant to do that and if they find ANYTHING they can get a warrant to search the residence. They can get a warrant to search even if they don't find anything and a police dog gets a "hit" (it smells something). So, don't handle a joint and then touch a piece of paper that you are going to throw away. You want ABSOLUTELY no drug residue on anything that is going to the curb.

If they infrareded your friend...that means they had a warrant to infrared. If they had a warrant to infrared...that means they had a damn good idea what he's up to.

Move fast.

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Re: Helicopter [Re: RandalFlagg]
    #5774038 - 06/20/06 08:44 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

Another possibility is that he was scrutinized due to poor security as it relates to his internet activities.

Did your friend post on Overgrow?


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Re: Helicopter [Re: Microcosmatrix]
    #5774076 - 06/20/06 08:53 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

i bet that he had a power line by his house, and they were checking that out, i mean 125 watts aint shit


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Re: Helicopter [Re: ZippoZ]
    #5775496 - 06/21/06 05:23 AM (17 years, 10 months ago)

you all need to brush up on your reading skills im drunk stoned and buzzin on oxy and i still read it right :laugh: it said he only had a 125watt light for his orchids that he was already growin


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Re: Helicopter [Re: Microcosmatrix]
    #5776663 - 06/21/06 01:56 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

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Microcosmatrix said:
Another possibility is that he was scrutinized due to poor security as it relates to his internet activities.
Did your friend post on Overgrow?





very unlikely scenario, they need much more than a few posts and pictures on
overgrow, they'd need CC info for a seed buy or something else substantial

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Re: Helicopter [Re: Prisoner#1]
    #5779597 - 06/22/06 05:21 AM (17 years, 10 months ago)

> they'd need CC info for a seed buy or something else substantial

I have read stories about local police surfing e-bay looking for people that live in their area that have purchased hydroponics equipment. Donno how valid the stories are...


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Re: Helicopter [Re: Seuss]
    #5783312 - 06/23/06 09:43 AM (17 years, 10 months ago)

your friend had to have a substantial amount of light in there..to warrant a  heli..and all of the man power and time and money that goes in to that..i run 4 -400 watt lamps in my flower room  and 1- 250 watt in my veg room and i have never had helicopters or anything else watching me...i would shut everything down and move..ive cut and run on more than one occasion before :wink: thats what separates the pros from the joes :thumbup:

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Re: Helicopter [Re: CaptainKirk]
    #5784105 - 06/23/06 03:00 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

They could have searched not knowing how much light he was actually using. The fact that they did the search at all is reason enough to know that any sized grow is out of the question there.


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Re: Helicopter [Re: Microcosmatrix]
    #5787146 - 06/24/06 06:08 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

theres nothing you can do about a gigantic electric bill. its going to raise eyebrows, but was your friend using stuff to block infrared from detecting large amounts of light?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zA1hyqA6UTY

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Re: Helicopter [Re: barto]
    #5787613 - 06/24/06 09:10 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

All we can do is speculate until we hear back from the dude.


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Re: Helicopter [Re: barto]
    #5796012 - 06/27/06 02:33 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

what the fuck is with that guy in that video.


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Re: Helicopter [Re: mikeownow]
    #5796035 - 06/27/06 02:45 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

haha that was funny


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Re: Helicopter [Re: CaptainKirk]
    #5797269 - 06/27/06 09:00 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

Quote:

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i have never had helicopters or anything else watching me




you'd never really know if they were actualy watching, I have about 3 weeks before
the choppers are overhead in force again at my house, usualy 2 passes a day with a
couple units, my area is aparently the largest area for this region for outdoor
grows, I'm yet to stumble upon one, my luck has always been bad :smirk:

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    #5797359 - 06/27/06 09:28 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

You wouldn't steal someone's outdoor crop if you found it would you? :nonono:


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Re: Helicopter [Re: Microcosmatrix]
    #5797450 - 06/27/06 09:56 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

Good way to get shot IMHO!!

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    #5798552 - 06/28/06 06:57 AM (17 years, 10 months ago)

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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zA1hyqA6UTY





That is one of the funniest things I've ever seen! That FIA document was hilarious. He got a document with all but about three words blacked out. What a crackpot. I bet "rogue helicopter pilots" are going to buzz him now just to freak him out, I would.


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Re: Helicopter [Re: Microcosmatrix]
    #5800748 - 06/28/06 08:44 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

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You wouldn't steal someone's outdoor crop if you found it would you? :nonono:




no but I'd sure as hell admire it

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Re: Helicopter [Re: Prisoner#1]
    #5801370 - 06/28/06 11:32 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

I heard the Rastafarian unwritten code of conduct is that clipping enough for a spliff is considered admiring the grower's work, but that any more than that, or cutting a whole plant make you a Bumba clot.


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Re: Helicopter [Re: Microcosmatrix]
    #5802805 - 06/29/06 10:54 AM (17 years, 10 months ago)

just one joint? I'm down


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Re: Helicopter [Re: msisaves]
    #5835727 - 07/08/06 03:48 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

Infra-red search to check for grow lights would be my guess.

FYI: This isn't how most cops do this because it's been found unconstitutional in many jurisdictions.

The way most cops find grow lamps is by monitoring electrical usage. This is not to say that if your home electric bill is $1000, they're gonna come get you. What they look for is sharp spikes of some electrical equipment coming on and off on a regular schedule about 12 hours apart. They do this with the cooperation of the power utility.


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Re: Helicopter [Re: Seuss]
    #5835830 - 07/08/06 04:11 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

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> they'd need CC info for a seed buy or something else substantial

I have read stories about local police surfing e-bay looking for people that live in their area that have purchased hydroponics equipment. Donno how valid the stories are...




same as hydro shops
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    #5835850 - 07/08/06 04:22 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

Well then you could run the light continuously and move it back and forth between 2 flowering rooms on opposing 12 hour light schedules!

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Re: Helicopter [Re: Microcosmatrix]
    #5835854 - 07/08/06 04:23 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

Yeah, that's the way around the problem, but most people are not aware of this. They're putting up insulation in the roof instead.


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Re: Helicopter [Re: Diploid]
    #5867889 - 07/16/06 11:51 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

Does insulation work at all?

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Re: Helicopter [Re: Parabolalala]
    #5868037 - 07/17/06 12:47 AM (17 years, 10 months ago)

Insulation is irrelevant. The cops are not looking for heat, they're looking for periodic spikes in your power consumption.


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Re: Helicopter [Re: Diploid]
    #5868151 - 07/17/06 02:21 AM (17 years, 10 months ago)

yeah other electrical appliances turn on and off too, they also got to be looking at wattage,

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Re: Helicopter [Re: capliberty]
    #5868717 - 07/17/06 09:43 AM (17 years, 10 months ago)

They're not looking for high wattage devices turning on and off per se.

They're charting your electrical usage on a graph, and looking for grow cycles. Even if you had a small 100w HPS running on 12/12 they could still see that something is turning on and off every 12 hours to make the connection.

Also, HID lights spike when they turn on as a part of the starting process. Obviously, this "appliance" would reflect this on the graph.

There's some company in Canada selling boxes for landlords to use to do this exact same thing to catch tenants with grow rooms, so this is not a wild guess here. The private sector has it already, so you KNOW the gov't does too.

The question is whether or not the practice is legal or not. But if they do it secretly, use it only to get a "heads up", and then investigate you and find other probable cause to use to apply for a search warrant, then how would it ever get challenged?


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Re: Helicopter [Re: Microcosmatrix]
    #5868826 - 07/17/06 10:28 AM (17 years, 10 months ago)

> Even if you had a small 100w HPS running on 12/12 they could still see that something is turning on and off every 12 hours to make the connection.

Diploid was talking about running two rooms, each out of sync with the other by 12 hours. When one light turns off, the other turns on.

> Also, HID lights spike when they turn on as a part of the starting process.

A lot of devices in my home spike when they turn on... my refrigerator, my hot water heater (electric), my toaster oven, my computer, etc...


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Re: Helicopter [Re: Seuss]
    #5868908 - 07/17/06 11:03 AM (17 years, 10 months ago)

I was the one that suggested having 2 flowering rooms.

And you wouldn't want to have "one light turn on and the other off". What I said was you have your light or lights on 24 hrs, and either move the light back and forth between two rooms on a long cord, or else you could also swap 2 sets of plants in and out of one room every 12 hours. The plants on dark cycle can be moved into any room with no lights at all.

I wish I could find that thread about the canadian grow room buster thing sold for landlords website. It shows the graph and if you saw it you'd realize why it will find even small watt lights. If anyone can find that thread or remembers it, please link to it. I searched for 15 min and couldn't find it.


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Re: Helicopter [Re: Microcosmatrix]
    #5871817 - 07/18/06 12:14 AM (17 years, 10 months ago)

Agree with ditch everything and all the proper clean ups.

I tend to belive by the story someone is fucking with your friend because A.They wouldnt fly a helicopter that low to the ground in a residential area. B.One 125W bulb is no where enough to grow the amount he would have to be belived to have to warrent the whole search. C.Cops rarely let your know that obvisouly that they are on too you, I always belive the more I see them the less they are watching me.

Do a clean up, clean out and stay cool awhile but I wouldnt be selling the house just yet.

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Re: Helicopter [Re: Microcosmatrix]
    #5876567 - 07/19/06 04:42 AM (17 years, 9 months ago)

Quote:

I was the one that suggested having 2 flowering rooms.

And you wouldn't want to have "one light turn on and the other off". What I said was you have your light or lights on 24 hrs, and either move the light back and forth between two rooms on a long cord, or else you could also swap 2 sets of plants in and out of one room every 12 hours. The plants on dark cycle can be moved into any room with no lights at all.




Oops... thanks for the clairification.  :smile:


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Re: Helicopter [Re: quiver]
    #5878560 - 07/19/06 05:41 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

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quiver said:
same as hydro shops
i've heard cops have staked them out and take down peoples plates when they drive in





my brother and I knew this guy, did a little business with him, gary was cool, jailed back in the early 90s because he wouldnt turn over his customer list

http://atlanta.creativeloafing.com/gyrobase/Content?oid=oid%3A10762

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Re: Helicopter [Re: Prisoner#1]
    #5879380 - 07/19/06 09:55 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

10 years for selling light bulbs that is bull shit.


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Re: Helicopter [Re: mikeownow]
    #5903808 - 07/26/06 11:46 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

if you can wire stuff. High times had an expensive ballast that will flip power from one room to another on a 12 hr schedule. No need to move plants or lights. just have to have money for all the gear


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Re: Helicopter [Re: msisaves]
    #6023954 - 09/03/06 01:33 AM (17 years, 8 months ago)

If you want an alternative, grow Tomatos instead of Marijuana. Don't grow orchids or anything. Tomatos are the closest to Pot I think. I don't remember where I read that, but this happened to some guy and he fooled the cops when they got a warrant by replacing his Pot with tomato plants.

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