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container size and casing with or without a tyrarium
    #5768426 - 06/19/06 03:14 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

Hello, here shortly i will be taking a WBS substraight and casing it. I have these containers that are about 5"x5"x5" just like cube with a lid.
is it possible i could do without putting them in a tyrarium as the container itself is sort of like one? and iv'e read a lot of the articles here about casing and humidity and when to mist them and when to stop. And i'm still a little confused. should i mist them and fan them before the casing gets colonized. or just incubate them for 3 to 5 days in darkness at 85 degrees with no air. And after the casing gets colonized i can no longer water because you can't get water on the mycelium? is that true. I allways wondered how you would keep everything moist if water can't touch the small pins or mycelium? Thanx for any replies.


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Re: container size and casing with or without a tyrarium [Re: 19741974]
    #5768486 - 06/19/06 03:29 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

Oops i forgot to mention that i would be putting a 1/2" layer of moist perlite in the cube, putting substraight on that, about 1" to 1 1/2" and then casing with about 3/8" leving about 3 to 3 1/2" of empty tyrarium like space and then when the head start to hit the lid, just pop it off for the last day or two. Does that sound like it might work?


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Re: container size and casing with or without a tyrarium [Re: 19741974]
    #5768561 - 06/19/06 03:48 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

hmmm, what tek do you plan on following? It seems you really haven't picked one and are just collecting data from various posts. I can understand, if this IS what you're doing, why you would be confused.

If you're new to this hobby you should spend time reading actual teks rather then posts. The teks provide you with all the information you need (they more then answer your questions here) in one spot. It also makes it easier for us to review your method and find out where you could have gone wrong if there was a problem.

let me answer your ?'s tho.

1.) Yes, it is possible to make those containers into sulf sustaing fruiting chambers. In effect you would be creating a small monotub. You would need to cover the top of the cube with something to trap in humidity while drilling holes at the substrate layer to allow gas exchange. Personally you would be able to control the environment a little bit better if you had them in a regular fruiting chamber. If i were you id just construct a small fruiting chamber to avoid any hassles.

2.) when you have you casing in the incubation stage to colonize the casing layer you want to do NOTHING to it. Let it sit untouched for a few days. The mushrooms wont start to pin until you intiate their triggers, this is why you want to leave it alone. You dont want to start the fruiting cycle just yet as it has one last stage of vegetative growth (colonizing the casing layer) to go through. Once you see some mycellium poking out in your casing layer, stick the casing in your fc, mist it, fan it, and watch the shrooms grow.

3.) You should mist you casing every day, a fine mist on your myc or pins will not hurt them, however drenching your casings will prove to be counterproductive and will most likely end up contamming on you.

4.) You don't want to put perlite directly under your substrate for a few reasons:
a.)Perlite absorbs moisture, it also wicks it out into the air, placing perlite under you substrate will provide the perfect environment for contams to thrive in.
b.) The excess moisture from the perlite will wick into your substrate causing a few things to happen. It will create a soggy mess, and cause "fat assidism" in which the mushrooms have extremely swollen stems and small caps (also due to high c02 levels if you dont fan enough).

Remember that if you've done everything right your casing will have enough moisture to last it through at least two flushes before it starts to run low. After each flush you can dunk your cakes or casings to help replenish this supply. it's always a good rule of thumb not to place anything underneath your substrate as this can cause some contam issues you wont see until it's too late. It also provides no marginal benefit great enough to counteract the possible contams you might encounter.


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Re: container size and casing with or without a tyrarium [Re: coda]
    #5768612 - 06/19/06 04:03 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

I got ya coda. Is it ok to use wetted perlite in the fruiting chamber? I also read that casing and a perlite FC together might be to much moisture. Must of the things i read here are the good Tek ones not the individual post's. Thanx coda.


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Re: container size and casing with or without a tyrarium [Re: 19741974]
    #5768620 - 06/19/06 04:05 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

Yes, perlite placed in the bottom of a fruiting chamber is a very efficient method of acheiving your optimal RH. Just make sure you susbtrate does not come into direct contact with the perlite and you'll be golden.


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Re: container size and casing with or without a tyrarium [Re: 19741974]
    #5769526 - 06/19/06 07:31 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

This is a good place to start if you plan on using jars, otherwise shroomery has tons of teks for all kinds of methods. As long as you can follow the directions for the most part word for word, you should have some sucess. The better you get the more get out of it.

Magic Mushrooms for Dummies

This is where I started, science backgrounds help but arent needed as long as you take extra care to be clean and follow directions.


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