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OfflineIamthewalrus
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as a painkiller
    #5766976 - 06/19/06 06:39 AM (17 years, 7 months ago)

was reading wikipedia's EXCELLENT info on lsd and I came across this

"LSD was studied in the 1960s by Eric Kast as a painkiller for serious and chronic pain caused by cancer or other major trauma.[13] Even at low (sub-psychedelic) dosages, it was found to be at least as effective as traditional opiates while being much longer lasting (pain reduction lasting as long as a week after peak effects had subsided). Kast attributed this effect to a decrease in anxiety. This reported effect is being tested (though not using LSD) in an ongoing (as of 2006) study of the effects of the hallucinogen psilocybin on anxiety in terminal cancer patients."

I find this very interesting considering the fact that I just used lsd to deal with opiate withdrawl recently


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Re: as a painkiller [Re: Iamthewalrus]
    #5767096 - 06/19/06 07:51 AM (17 years, 7 months ago)

I saw it on house :wink:_

He injected himself with some shit to give him a migraine and used some experimental antidote to try and get rid of it. In the end he just ate some acid :grin:

Wonder if it works as good as ketamine =/


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Re: as a painkiller [Re: Iamthewalrus]
    #5767200 - 06/19/06 08:22 AM (17 years, 7 months ago)

That's interesting. In my personal experience, I find that some psychedelics can intensify pain or discomfort - not so much LSD as some others though.
I think it depends on the state of mind and individual, as everyone is unique.


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Re: as a painkiller [Re: eris]
    #5767484 - 06/19/06 10:08 AM (17 years, 7 months ago)

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Re: as a painkiller [Re: Iamthewalrus]
    #5770299 - 06/19/06 10:59 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

LSD would never work as a painkiller, too many undesired effects, they have many other chemicals that would "kind of work", but they get send to the crapper cause they arean't worth getting sued over. LSD is also very unpredictible. It might help some people, but most people would just wig the fuck out. The general population and LSD isn't a good combo.


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Re: as a painkiller [Re: twiggedoubt]
    #5770841 - 06/20/06 12:33 AM (17 years, 7 months ago)

(The general population and LSD isn't a good combo.)


True it takes a certain somthing in a person to really understand the wonders of acid, that the general community cannot, Because they think it makes you wig out and feel like you can fly and jump off a building,

Now in all my experince with LSD, While I was frying on it, I think the sheer thought of jumping off a building is horiffic.

Sad what has been installed in alot of peoples mind's.


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Re: as a painkiller [Re: MauiGanjaMonster]
    #5772189 - 06/20/06 11:29 AM (17 years, 7 months ago)

ya I've never had any will to jump off anything either...not only that I'm fully aware that I'm just hallucinating...I'm not delusional(which the wikipedia entry on lsd actually talks about as well) but again it depends on the person

one of the reasons I find this so interesting is because I've often said that lsd disolves my anxiety(and has a lasting effect well beyond the night I use it) and I also think this drop in anxiety during withdrawl(which is a VERY anxious time wheather u have a disorder or not) has a lot to do with my ability to withstand the pain...so far lsd is the best medication I have used for anxiety(even when on it I start tackling things I wouldn't have even considered before the dose)


Edited by Iamthewalrus (06/20/06 11:32 AM)


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Re: as a painkiller [Re: twiggedoubt]
    #5773229 - 06/20/06 05:22 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

not only that they mentioned the same effecst at (subpsychedelic) doses which remeinds me of the theory behind migraine and cluster headaches(I know someone who got addicted to opiates for that exact reason and had to detox eventually)

and I think with truthful HONEST info on drugs from the US government presented in a way that ppl can understand could help ease ppl's fears and also provide a lot of valuable info for those willing to seak it out


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Re: as a painkiller [Re: Iamthewalrus]
    #5773238 - 06/20/06 05:25 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

I tried to explain to a friend the benefits of psychedelics for migraines(which she has almost everyday) and offered for her to look into it...but I think I scared her off...oh well I was just trying to help(even mentioned to start VERY VERY Small and work up everyweek till she found her right level) shes done drugs in teh past but dosen't seem interested in ANYTHING after her opiate addiction which is understandable


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Re: as a painkiller [Re: Iamthewalrus]
    #5773279 - 06/20/06 05:41 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

note the sub-psychedelic dosage part. Even at doses that do NOT cause psychedelic expierences, it can be used as a pain killer.


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Re: as a painkiller [Re: kaniz]
    #5773364 - 06/20/06 05:59 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

exactly waht I noted...and this was fairly high end reserach before the illegalization(if the article is 100% true...but u have to admit most the info on wiki concerning lsd is spot on) don't sense any bias(if anything a bias towards it)


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Re: as a painkiller [Re: twiggedoubt]
    #5773392 - 06/20/06 06:05 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

see I don't mean any offence but u have never used lsd to treat an anxiety disorder unless I misunderstood u....and I'm telling u...there is NOTHING that has been able to disolve those barries for a lasting emount of time for me which didn't really dull pain...just completely changed my prospective on it....the migraine/cluster headache treament is really completely differnce...I don't think its just a reduction in anxity whic h is helping but its always possible


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Re: as a painkiller [Re: Iamthewalrus]
    #5773404 - 06/20/06 06:07 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

I found that a LSD trip actually helped me deal with my anxiety. For awhile, I was getting anxiety attacks and was on Ativan for them. A strong LSD trip one day helped me come to terms with my anxiety/the source of it - and have helped me in coping with it without the need for medication.


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Re: as a painkiller [Re: Iamthewalrus]
    #5773470 - 06/20/06 06:23 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

heffter.org has been supporting alot of research of similar nature.  :smirk:


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Re: as a painkiller [Re: kaniz]
    #5773471 - 06/20/06 06:23 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

exactly my thoughts...I've yet to find something even CLOSE to lsd with shrooms(tho lsd alone seems pretty damn good on its own at high doses) the problem with this...without being around a shrink to guide u and pull u out when its needed to be done...it keeps it from its potenial for most users...which is one of the reasons I like to research drugs I'm doing...btw I used A LOT of acid(partly for testing tolerance ::P) within the last couple weeks...my tolerance drops extremely fast and the effects are just unmatched imo so far(have had nothing but possitive trip after positive trip as well...I hihgly believe in mixing a "normal dose" of methyphenidate(its been studied with success) and really seems to provide an very clear and sharp experience(almost seems to provide a safter dopamine reuptake inhibitor for that speed/mental focus/confident part of the trip instead of mdma...but I could be wrong and if I am point it out please :smile:)


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Re: as a painkiller [Re: Iamthewalrus]
    #5774645 - 06/20/06 11:06 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

I didn't read the the part that said they were lower then recreational doses, I still think that it wouldn't be an ideal pain medication for anything other than cluster headaches, which would probally work well for (they already use ergot). LSD is schedule 1 and no matter how good it works, it would be too expensive, too contraversial, and too risky for any company to even touch. Not to mention that it would be able to be used by other companies. I really didn't read the article, I read something about LSD as a pain medication on MAPS I think a few years ago, but I really don't remeber anything. I still think its probally too inconsistent, even in sub-psychedelic doses. Isn't 100 ugs sub-psychedelic? I thought that 400 ugs was a psychedelic dose. Either way, I would rather take acetametaphen for mild pain, and for extreme pain, they already know that opiates are ideal because the mechanics of the drug on the brains endorphin receptors. An unaddictive opioid or combination is what I would like to see. There is middle ground though, don't know is LSD is that good of a pain medication though, as I never took it for pain. I would like to see a study with real people, with real controls by people without motives, but still not enough information to really conclude anything other than LSD might be good for pain. Unless I am missing some part of the article that they actually did extensive studying on humans with it as a pain medication.


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Re: as a painkiller [Re: motaman]
    #5775356 - 06/21/06 02:42 AM (17 years, 7 months ago)

thx man


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Re: as a painkiller [Re: twiggedoubt]
    #5775359 - 06/21/06 02:45 AM (17 years, 7 months ago)

if enough research is done throughout the world and becomes common in other countrys wiht very good success who knows...maybe the us will finally smartent the fuck up...I have no offence against americans...but your drug laws are beyond fucked up(I would never even consider living there)


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Re: as a painkiller [Re: motaman]
    #5775366 - 06/21/06 02:49 AM (17 years, 7 months ago)

good link motaman! appreciate it!


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Re: as a painkiller [Re: twiggedoubt]
    #5775386 - 06/21/06 03:03 AM (17 years, 7 months ago)

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I didn't read the the part that said they were lower then recreational doses, I still think that it wouldn't be an ideal pain medication for anything other than cluster headaches, which would probally work well for (they already use ergot). LSD is schedule 1 and no matter how good it works, it would be too expensive, too contraversial, and too risky for any company to even touch. Not to mention that it would be able to be used by other companies. I really didn't read the article, I read something about LSD as a pain medication on MAPS I think a few years ago, but I really don't remeber anything. I still think its probally too inconsistent, even in sub-psychedelic doses. Isn't 100 ugs sub-psychedelic? I thought that 400 ugs was a psychedelic dose. Either way, I would rather take acetametaphen for mild pain, and for extreme pain, they already know that opiates are ideal because the mechanics of the drug on the brains endorphin receptors. An unaddictive opioid or combination is what I would like to see. There is middle ground though, don't know is LSD is that good of a pain medication though, as I never took it for pain. I would like to see a study with real people, with real controls by people without motives, but still not enough information to really conclude anything other than LSD might be good for pain. Unless I am missing some part of the article that they actually did extensive studying on humans with it as a pain medication.




curious...have u ever delt with unbareable pain such as cancer(not just physical but emotional?) because unless u have ur experience dosen't really apply here(espeically considering ur taking tylenol for pain...if you've ever had SEVERE pain I think u would understand that otc meds(and even perscription meds often don't do much for pain and even if they do they cause more emotional pain for most in the end(opiates mostly) anyways(I've seen this happen to so many pp)

besides I'm not implying its gonna become a standard for pain...but at LEAST pyschedelics are being tested again for disorders


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