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Illegal immigration
    #5764744 - 06/18/06 03:23 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

I had a thought earlier. Many people have no problem with illegal immigration, despite the billions of dollars of problems it causes every year. It would be great if the government surveyed everyone, and asked if they think we should allow these immigrants to come across. For those that said yes, I think it would be great if they were then to pay a sumly amount of money to support these illegal immigrants, and the people that said no would not have to pay a dime.

Anyone think that the ideas about illegal immigration would change?


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Re: Illegal immigration [Re: blacksabbathrulz]
    #5764797 - 06/18/06 03:42 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

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Many people have no problem with illegal immigration



I have yet to meet such a person. Just because someone's not an irrational hardliner doesn't mean they're not concerned about the problem.


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Re: Illegal immigration [Re: Silversoul]
    #5764868 - 06/18/06 04:08 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

I've met numerous people who think we should allow any and all mexicans to come into our country.


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Re: Illegal immigration [Re: blacksabbathrulz]
    #5764906 - 06/18/06 04:15 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

People dont just migrate on a massive scale, their needs to be a solid reason, Maybe the subsidized farming and NAFTA have flooded the mexican markets with cheap subsidized grain that mexican farmers cant compete therefore they migrate to the US a place where their is employment.

What you see is a problem of apathy, i see as a problem of Globalization and the Cooperate power interests trying to keep their profits up. Maybe if employers were actually penalized we wouldnt have such a catastrophe.

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Re: Illegal immigration [Re: The_Red_Crayon]
    #5765028 - 06/18/06 05:00 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

Maybe if employers were actually penalized we wouldnt have such a catastrophe.


That is the only way, this flood of illegals will slow.


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Re: Illegal immigration [Re: niteowl]
    #5765254 - 06/18/06 06:14 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

Mandatory 5 yr minimum federal prison sentence for the top CEO of any parent company caught employing someone in the US illegally after a set date. And a 5 yr mandatory sentence for any foreigner caught using a stolen social security number in the US to pass as a citizen, after a set date.

Do this and you wouldn't need one fucking wall, there would be no reason for them to come here through the back door anymore.


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Re: Illegal immigration [Re: RosettaStoned]
    #5765259 - 06/18/06 06:15 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

hehe, back door :wink:


I think that putting these illegals in prison is a bad idea.  Id on't want to pay for them to exist no matter how they are doing it.  Armed border agents with orders to shoot first would be the best way of stopping the flow.


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Re: Illegal immigration [Re: xDuckYouSuckerx]
    #5765301 - 06/18/06 06:27 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

They are coming here for money to send back home though, and there has to be some enforced consequences for someone using fake documents so the employers can't say "I didn't know they were fake". Throw them both in jail for it so one can't blame it on the other. The numbers of illegals in jail would decrease in no time after the 1st 5-10 year period since there would be no more cash to be had here for them under the table.

Besides it's not like we don't have the prison room. http://www.mindfully.org/Reform/2004/FEMA-Concentration-Camps3sep04.htm

As appealing as shooting people may be to some, it is not the right thing to do when the true instigators of this whole mess wear nice suits. If you want to shoot anyone for this you need to look at the CEOs who exploit the poverty situation of mexico, not the mexicans coming here because they have no other option short of revolution. And if they tried revolution our govt would probably step in and help mexico to quell it.


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Re: Illegal immigration [Re: RosettaStoned]
    #5765750 - 06/18/06 08:23 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

I don't think that the Evil CEO's ala Mr Burns are behind it. Most of the people doing the hiring are plant managers, or guys that run small companies. Not that I'm making excuses, hire an illegal, face a firing squad.


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Re: Illegal immigration [Re: xDuckYouSuckerx]
    #5765863 - 06/18/06 10:50 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

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Most of the people doing the hiring are plant managers




While this may be true, I'm a firm believe in "the buck stops here". If the companies under your umbrella are hiring illegals the ultimate responsibility falls on the chief executive officer.

But at least you are supporting an equal opportunity firing squad  :grin:


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Re: Illegal immigration [Re: RosettaStoned]
    #5765887 - 06/18/06 10:54 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

In a nutshell, we should decree that illegal aliens are to be considered foreign invaders and repelled as necessary, to include lethal force. The military that we move back from overseas bases we would have on our borders.


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Re: Illegal immigration [Re: blacksabbathrulz]
    #5765954 - 06/18/06 11:06 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

I wouldnt count on anything from government. Instead of building a border wall they are quitely building the NAFTA superhighway. That should thell you where their long term intentions are.

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Re: Illegal immigration [Re: buckwheat]
    #5766572 - 06/19/06 01:52 AM (17 years, 10 months ago)

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Instead of building a border wall they are quitely building the NAFTA superhighway.




Building a boarder wall is the most ecinomical and effective solution to the problem.. Above any and all legislation a wall would provide jobs for Americans, Provide relief from the $$$ spend to provide services to immigrants and it would provide greater protection for the American Middle Class.

Imagine a system where a wall is made and a new "Boarder Corps" progeam is created with voulenteers protecting the boarder from illigals comming into the country and destroying the school system. The voulenteers could be paid with college scholarships.

Once the wall is in place the current system of deporting criminals could be beefed up and the system would work smooth.

Its just that simple.


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Re: Illegal immigration [Re: GabbaDj]
    #5766669 - 06/19/06 02:31 AM (17 years, 10 months ago)

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Its just that simple.




I don't believe it's that simple at all. As long as companies are willing to hire illegals then they will find a way to get here, no matter what size wall we build.

I like to use this analogy when discussing this situation with my folks. If your house is infested with ants eating the food crumbs off your floor, do you build a big wall to keep the ants out? Or do you keep the floor clean and the food put away? (not that I consider illegal aliens ants, I personally believe they are being exploited) As long as there is food on the floor you will have ants. Lets pretend raid spray doesn't exist for this analogy, since killing them will never be an option nor should it.

Stop the companies from being able to employ these people (by jail time not just fines!!!) and they will no longer have a reason to come here en mass. It IS as simple as that.


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Re: Illegal immigration [Re: RosettaStoned]
    #5766763 - 06/19/06 03:32 AM (17 years, 10 months ago)

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I don't believe it's that simple at all. As long as companies are willing to hire illegals then they will find a way to get here, no matter what size wall we build.....



Stop the companies from being able to employ these people (by jail time not just fines!!!) and they will no longer have a reason to come here en mass. It IS as simple as that.



:congrats:

Building a wall will solve nothing.

Punish the people, that are hiring the illegals, and the problem will be solved in a year.

Most of the solutions, to Americas problems, are staring them in the face.....they just don't want to see it.


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Re: Illegal immigration [Re: niteowl]
    #5766769 - 06/19/06 03:37 AM (17 years, 10 months ago)

This whole "illegal immigrant problem" is troublesome to the American worker on many fronts. One reason being that, it makes it harder for people to unite into unions, if the company can just start hiring illegals.

I have seen this first hand in a factory near where I live. The employees started talking about forming a union.....within 6 months the company started hiring Mexican workers.

Big business wants cheap labor.
Big business funds our politicians.
Why do you think our Government hasn't made this a priority?


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Re: Illegal immigration [Re: xDuckYouSuckerx]
    #5766933 - 06/19/06 05:53 AM (17 years, 10 months ago)

What about the COEOs who send OUR jobs overseas to some goddamned gook/wetback/niggar?

I say we line up all the rich people in America and shoot hem in the face with bombs!!!1


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Re: Illegal immigration [Re: Baby_Hitler]
    #5767447 - 06/19/06 09:57 AM (17 years, 10 months ago)

I say we line up all the rich people in America and shoot hem in the face with bombs!!!1

:whatever:

And this will solve.........


what actually?


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Re: Illegal immigration [Re: blacksabbathrulz]
    #5767522 - 06/19/06 10:23 AM (17 years, 10 months ago)

Many people have no problem with illegal immigration, despite the billions of dollars of problems it causes every year.

cite sources please. what is the total tax burden imposed by illegal immigrants? what is their contribution to the GNP? what might their tax contribution be if they were legally recognized and paid taxes?

it seems to me that like many, you are assuming that these dirty, unskilled, criminal trespassers must, as a matter of simple common sense, be a bad thing for our country. lets see some proof. illegal immigrants bust their ass doing work you'd never think of doing so that you can have cheap food. you wanna go out to CA to pick lettuce? work in a meat packing plant? a chicken farm?

what is the problem with immigration? who do they harm by being here working?


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Re: Illegal immigration [Re: RosettaStoned]
    #5767560 - 06/19/06 10:45 AM (17 years, 10 months ago)

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I don't believe it's that simple at all. As long as companies are willing to hire illegals then they will find a way to get here, no matter what size wall we build.




It is that simple.. Mexicans arent here just for work. Many women come here once they are pregnant to have their babies. Hospitals are PACKED with Mexicans searching for free medical care and whoever asked for proof of the burdeon, I dont need to site sources. Hospitals are required to help people, illegal or not. Jails are ordered to clothe, feed and house illigals and schools are required to teatch illegals. These people may pay taxes on their beer and calling cards but they do send a major chunk of the money they make to Mexico and out of our econemy. All while we pick up the bill for their health care, schooling and criminal activity. That shits got to stop.

I have NEVER met a mexican who says that its dificult to get into the US, and Ive met HUNDREDS. Every single one of them have NO problem whatsoever getting in and out of the US. They even use our boarder crossing to go back to Mexico, then they use many of the known trails that lead straight back in. They do this over and over and over.

A lady I work with brought her sister up from Guatamala illigaly for just a few hundred bucks so that she could have her baby. She stayed with her sisted in her one bedroom apartment with 7 other people for a few months till the day came. She went to the hospital, had the baby and got released. However many thousands of dollars it costs to have a baby was paid for by me and you. This happens several dozens of times daily in hospitals in and around Los Angeles.

A wall is the number one answer. Enforcement goes hand in hand with a wall. I say let the good ones stay but the ones who get arrested or have run ins with the law and are illegal should get sent straight back and with the wall in place and people watching that wall they will no longer have such an easy time getting back in.


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Re: Illegal immigration [Re: wilshire]
    #5767608 - 06/19/06 11:05 AM (17 years, 10 months ago)

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it seems to me that like many, you are assuming that these dirty, unskilled, criminal trespassers must, as a matter of simple common sense, be a bad thing for our country. lets see some proof. illegal immigrants bust their ass doing work you'd never think of doing so that you can have cheap food. you wanna go out to CA to pick lettuce? work in a meat packing plant? a chicken farm?




You obviously dont live in an area with many mexicans. Its people who dont see the real problems illegals pose who say shit like, mexicans are here to work shit jobs and nothing else.

Lets run this down. An illegal spends $50 a day in the US (high estimate) on beer and food and clothes. So lets say that an even $5 a day goes towards tax revenue. That same illegal has three kids in public school paid for by me and you ($8000 a year EACH), those children and the parents use the public services provided by the state and the county for medical care ($200 a pop)and at least one of the three kids is dirty rotten and once again you and I pick up the tab from the courts and jails ($2500 a pop).

So it costs about $30,000 a year for services to this family of illegals compared to the $2000 a year they put back in the form of sales tax.? Hows that good for our econemy?

Lets not forget the insurance. I cant even count how many people I know who have been hit by an illegal. Many times they run and just abandon the cheep throw away car they bought but it dont matter cuz even if they stay, youll never see them again, probably wont ever even get their real name. So you pick up the tab of repairs yourself or have to pay higher premiums.

Sorry people but a wall is truly the only way. Making laws and enforcing them laws is not economically feasible, it takes WAY too much time and only opens the door for loop holes and corruption.


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Re: Illegal immigration [Re: GabbaDj]
    #5767661 - 06/19/06 11:20 AM (17 years, 10 months ago)

You obviously dont live in an area with many mexicans. Its people who dont see the real problems illegals pose who say shit like, mexicans are here to work shit jobs and nothing else.

you're right, i live in pennsylvania. i do see more illegal immigrants than most people around here, because i am currently finishing up a degree in horticulture and i've already done a bit of work in the field. a great deal of the workers i deal with are mexicans, and many are not citizens nor do they have work visas.

the mexicans i deal with are not the same sort of freeloaders you are used to seeing. most of the ones who make it up to pennsylvania are either following the harvest or are otherwise here to work. the freeloaders for the most part don't bother coming up here.

i certainly see a problem with people coming to this country and making nothing of themselves other than a drain on our social services and justice systems. however, i think that foreign workers are an important part of our economy and the solution is not to completely exclude them. i can imagine a system where the sort of mexicans i am used to seeing are allowed to come here, and the kind you are used to seeing are not. we needn't build a wall.


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Re: Illegal immigration [Re: wilshire]
    #5767723 - 06/19/06 11:39 AM (17 years, 10 months ago)

Bwahahahahaha.. You in for a HUGE wake up call.

I got my batchelors in Horticulture from UC Davis here in California. I wanted to do this right after I moved here from Minnesota where I grew up in farm country and met the same nice migrant workers you speak of..

Around here agricultural and horticultural jobs are the hardest hit by illegals. All the way up through management the jobs are taken by legal and illegal non Americans. Its just a matter of time before the plague spreads and even the jobs youve studied hard for and think youve earned will be done by a now legal immigrant just because hes willing to do the job for less. The same jobs that used to provide a liveable wage for American families now dont pay enough to support one person in a tiny apartment. And Im not just talking the laborers.

You got to come to Los Angeles or San Diego some time and stroll around to see for yourself what an area with more than 2,000,000 illegals and a 50% hispanic population has to put up with. Then you will run scared and wait for this to happen in your part of the country.


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Re: Illegal immigration [Re: GabbaDj]
    #5768482 - 06/19/06 03:28 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

I think your missing a major thing here. You say they aren't just here for work? I disagree. Sure they come here to have babies, but they come here because the CHANCE for work and therefore a better life, is greater here than in their country. And that chance is greater because there are employers willing to hire them. So no matter why they come here, the ultimate reason is that the opportunity is better here than in their home country.

How do you take away that opportunity? If you build a wall, the opportunity is still there. Do you honestly believe the wall will be maned the entire length? You don't think they'll be told where the crossing points are underneath the wall? You don't think they'll be smuggled across in boats, trucks and trunks? If you think a wall is going to stop all that you are kidding yourself. What that wall WILL be used for is to keep us in someday, that's what I'm worried about with a "wall". Walls can very easily have a 2fold purpose.

What makes you think the boarder guards are even going to be able to enforce the people who do cross? You can have a big shiny new wall and it won't mean a thing if there aren't boarder patrol there to back it up. Our govt hasn't done a damn thing about the illegals yet I fail to see your rosey idea that they're going to start now just because it's almost election time. All that means is there going to flap there jaws.

Jail time enforcement on high ups in companies who hire illegals is the only way. Your wall can be 100ft high and your govt will still not enforce it and it will be worthless. Long as there is opportunity for illegals they will find a way here. That opportunity starts with companies who employ illegals. And I don't give a rats ass how much a head of lettuce costs there is no such fucking thing as a job americans wont do.


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Re: Illegal immigration [Re: RosettaStoned]
    #5768567 - 06/19/06 03:49 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

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Do you honestly believe the wall will be maned the entire length?




Yes I do.  A voulenteer service program along with boarder patroll, minutemen and national guard could provide more than enough people to watch the wall.

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You don't think they'll be told where the crossing points are underneath the wall? You don't think they'll be smuggled across in boats, trucks and trunks? If you think a wall is going to stop all that you are kidding yourself.



I do believe that it will keep 90% of people from even trying because its no longer an easy thing to do.  Do you even know just how easy it is to cross into the US?  At MANY places theirs mexican cities just 100 yards from our boarder and they just walk straight over.  We even have warning signs on highways that show mexicans running cross the street, just like those deer warning signs.


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What that wall WILL be used for is to keep us in someday, that's what I'm worried about with a "wall". Walls can very easily have a 2fold purpose.



Now thats just plain stupid.

I watch TV from a stream beamed into my home from a satellite from outer fucking space and you dont believe that we could keep people from jumping over a wall?  Whose the ignorant one now.

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I don't give a rats ass how much a head of lettuce costs there is no such fucking thing as a job americans wont do.



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Re: Illegal immigration [Re: GabbaDj]
    #5768653 - 06/19/06 04:17 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

I watch TV from a stream beamed into my home from a satellite from outer fucking space and you don't believe that we could keep people from jumping over a wall?

Putting a satellite in space, and keeping people from "jumping over a wall", are two completely different things altogether.

As long as there are better opportunities here than there are in Mexico........people will continue to come here looking for jobs......regardless of how big a wall you build.

Build a wall around your home.
Put tons of security cameras and scanners on it.
If you have a ton of illegal drugs, in you house, that is well known to the neighborhood....you will still have people trying to get into you home to take your stash, regardless of how big a wall you build around your home.

Take the stash out of your home and let the neighborhood know....and people stop trying to get into your house.

It is really very simple.
I don't understand why some people can't see it.

Ignorance I guess :shrug:


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Re: Illegal immigration [Re: niteowl]
    #5768681 - 06/19/06 04:25 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

No one is claiming a wall will STOP border jumpers. You are quite correct in stating that some will find their way through it. The idea of a wall is not to terminate illegal immigration entirely, but to reduce it to more manageable levels.

Do you lock your car? I presume you do. Will that stop it from being stolen? Nope. But it sure as hell reduces the likelihood it will be.




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Re: Illegal immigration [Re: wilshire]
    #5769971 - 06/19/06 09:40 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

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Many people have no problem with illegal immigration, despite the billions of dollars of problems it causes every year.

cite sources please. what is the total tax burden imposed by illegal immigrants? what is their contribution to the GNP? what might their tax contribution be if they were legally recognized and paid taxes?

it seems to me that like many, you are assuming that these dirty, unskilled, criminal trespassers must, as a matter of simple common sense, be a bad thing for our country. lets see some proof. illegal immigrants bust their ass doing work you'd never think of doing so that you can have cheap food. you wanna go out to CA to pick lettuce? work in a meat packing plant? a chicken farm?

what is the problem with immigration? who do they harm by being here working?




What harm do they do? They get exorbitant amounts of welfare, get free health care etc. and taxpayers like myself in California have to pick up the tab. I pay over 10 percent of my income to state taxes, which would be much lower if it wasn't for these people. As for sources, I constantly hear people saying we should allow them here, as they don't cause problems.


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Re: Illegal immigration [Re: niteowl]
    #5770196 - 06/19/06 10:34 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

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Putting a satellite in space, and keeping people from "jumping over a wall", are two completely different things altogether.
As long as there are better opportunities here than there are in Mexico........people will continue to come here looking for jobs......regardless of how big a wall you build.




yes they are two entirely different things. One is extremely complicated and the other is extremely simple. Why is it that we can do the extremely complicated one but not the extremely simple one?

Their will always be better opportunity in America. Thats what makes us Americans. I dont for a second think that it would ever work to go after employers. They hire illegals BECAUSE they can stay under the radar, BECAUSE they can cheat the system and BECAUSE its cheep. Trying to change the laws is a slow process and people can and will change tactics faster than enforcement. Its lose lose trying to go that way. It will create a HUGE problem within our courts, further drain our economy and will only create opportunity for lawyers and law makers and nobody else.

I like what Phred said about manageable levels. Thats what the focus should be. Manageable levels for hospitals so they dont have to take such a loss, manageable levels for jails so they dont have to be filled with people who arent even citizens and manageable levels for schools so children dont have to share books any more and dont have to do without Art, Music, Gym, Sports and all the other things I enjoyed going to an all white school.


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Re: Illegal immigration [Re: GabbaDj]
    #5771110 - 06/20/06 01:46 AM (17 years, 10 months ago)

Cubans have a whole ocean to cross.......doesn't stop them from trying to get here.

There are already tunnels on the Mexican border that shuttle drugs from Mexico to the US.

What is to stop them from just building more tunnels, under your precious wall?

Nothing.

Building a wall may slow the flood of illegals for a year or two...at best.

Taking away their opportunities....is the ONLY way to prevent them from trying to get here illegally.

The only way to do that is to punish the people who are hiring them.


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Re: Illegal immigration [Re: niteowl]
    #5771509 - 06/20/06 05:00 AM (17 years, 10 months ago)

> Taking away their opportunities....is the ONLY way to prevent them from trying to get here illegally.

Donno... I'm guessing bullets would be pretty effective. North Korea doesn't seem to have too difficult of a time keeping it's people in... I'm guessing a lot fewer people would make the trek from Mexico if they knew that they would be killed on sight in the US rather than coddled as they are now.


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Re: Illegal immigration [Re: Seuss]
    #5771544 - 06/20/06 05:46 AM (17 years, 10 months ago)

:whatever:


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Re: Illegal immigration [Re: Seuss]
    #5771570 - 06/20/06 06:05 AM (17 years, 10 months ago)

The easiest solution is for us to move south into Mexico.

We need more Americans crossing the border into Mexico. That'll fix everything.


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Re: Illegal immigration [Re: niteowl]
    #5771596 - 06/20/06 06:23 AM (17 years, 10 months ago)

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niteowl said:
I say we line up all the rich people in America and shoot hem in the face with bombs!!!1

:whatever:

And this will solve.........


what actually?




I was being sarcastic towards people who wanted to use violence to solve social problems.


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Re: Illegal immigration [Re: Baby_Hitler]
    #5771718 - 06/20/06 08:10 AM (17 years, 10 months ago)

Every act of government is an act of violence. Non-compliance is subject to incarceration or forfeiture of property. Not that there is anything intrinsicly wrong with that. It just is. And must be. Because people are selfish. Almost all of them. Not that there's anything intrinsicly wrong with that, either.

Do you know what's amazing? That an employer contemplating a new hire cannot query the SSA with the SS number, name, and approximate age of the aplicant and get a simple yes or no answer in 15 minutes as to whether the number is valid or fake. There is more information in the Shroomery archives than this would require and I can search all posts for a word in seconds.


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Re: Illegal immigration [Re: zappaisgod]
    #5772360 - 06/20/06 12:26 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

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Do you know what's amazing? That an employer contemplating a new hire cannot query the SSA with the SS number, name, and approximate age of the aplicant and get a simple yes or no answer in 15 minutes as to whether the number is valid or fake.




More evidence that the government really doesn't care about illegal immigrants.


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Re: Illegal immigration [Re: niteowl]
    #5772943 - 06/20/06 03:49 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

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Do you know what's amazing? That an employer contemplating a new hire cannot query the SSA with the SS number, name, and approximate age of the aplicant and get a simple yes or no answer in 15 minutes as to whether the number is valid or fake.




More evidence that the government really doesn't care about illegal immigrants.




Yeah, and if we build a great wall all of a sudden they will start caring!  :rolleyes:


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Re: Illegal immigration [Re: RosettaStoned]
    #5773035 - 06/20/06 04:15 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

The government would have to want the illegals stopped in order for them to build any wall.

They want the illegals here or they would have done something about it YEARS ago......so there ain't going to be any wall built.

:sorry:

They will piss and moan about it long enuf, for some OJ trial or other media fluff, to get the American publics attention away from important issues, and back to watching American Idol.


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Re: Illegal immigration [Re: niteowl]
    #5773092 - 06/20/06 04:30 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

They may just build the wall to make the public think they are doing something about the issue. All the while still continuing to hire the millions that will still get through and nothing will change, except we'll have a big honkin wall yay!


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