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Why didnt I get a good pinset?(pics)
    #5764316 - 06/18/06 01:17 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

Im using a 45 gal monotub with a 6inch substrate depth of shredded Hpoo fully colonized with GT and a casing layer of 50/50 peat/verm. I did everything the pinning strategy told me and I have gotten much better pin sets not even trying. I put a very even 1/2 casing layer on the top and the mycelium came in very even on all parts at the same time. I used a cool mist on 24/7 and misted it after fanning once a day being that the cool mist would do most of the FAE for me. today is day six since its been in the light and I probably have 50-60 pins in there but some are clumps some are just random but it doesnt look like a good pin set what could cause this and what should I know for the future.


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Re: Why didnt I get a good pinset? [Re: HUBSonDUBS]
    #5764516 - 06/18/06 02:17 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

I could be wrong but if its only day six in the light Id wait a while before gettng upset. Your angst may be premature.


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Re: Why didnt I get a good pinset? [Re: Mr_Brown]
    #5764535 - 06/18/06 02:21 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

hm.... images would help out :smile:


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Re: Why didnt I get a good pinset? [Re: retro_killa]
    #5764628 - 06/18/06 02:41 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

Yea I was thinkn they did come up very fast but here are some pics.






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Re: Why didnt I get a good pinset? [Re: HUBSonDUBS]
    #5764650 - 06/18/06 02:46 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

What size are the holes you are using for the poly fil?

Do you have a ceiling fan on low or medium in the room?


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Good now thats clear.WHO FUCKING CARES. If I am fat u all keep pointing it out like its suppose to be a secret.LIke u really have nothing better to do then make fat jokes. If o know its like I do I know yall can come up with NEW AND BETTER SHIT . This shit is old and boring . I left in the first place cause this shit got boring not because of the fat jokes . Fat jokes dont bother me but seriously its old[/quote]


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Re: Why didnt I get a good pinset? [Re: Psychoslut]
    #5764664 - 06/18/06 02:51 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

The holes are 1 inch, there is 24 hole and also there is a coolmist on 24/7. Yes there is also a fan on low in the room. I think there is defiantly enough FAE in the monotub.


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Re: Why didnt I get a good pinset? [Re: HUBSonDUBS]
    #5764676 - 06/18/06 02:54 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

I dont know why. :shrug:


PH?


Is that cotton or poly fil? Seems awfull fine and tightly woven to be poly fil.


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Good now thats clear.WHO FUCKING CARES. If I am fat u all keep pointing it out like its suppose to be a secret.LIke u really have nothing better to do then make fat jokes. If o know its like I do I know yall can come up with NEW AND BETTER SHIT . This shit is old and boring . I left in the first place cause this shit got boring not because of the fat jokes . Fat jokes dont bother me but seriously its old[/quote]


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Re: Why didnt I get a good pinset? [Re: Psychoslut]
    #5764711 - 06/18/06 03:09 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

I used some hydrated lime. But I have no way of testing the PH. Would having too high or too low of a ph do this?


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Re: Why didnt I get a good pinset? [Re: HUBSonDUBS]
    #5764714 - 06/18/06 03:11 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

Yes.


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Good now thats clear.WHO FUCKING CARES. If I am fat u all keep pointing it out like its suppose to be a secret.LIke u really have nothing better to do then make fat jokes. If o know its like I do I know yall can come up with NEW AND BETTER SHIT . This shit is old and boring . I left in the first place cause this shit got boring not because of the fat jokes . Fat jokes dont bother me but seriously its old[/quote]


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Re: Why didnt I get a good pinset? [Re: Psychoslut]
    #5765044 - 06/18/06 05:05 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

Ok so i found some ph paper from some of my plant supplies. I still have some extra cassing layer that I used and have it in a garbage bag in my fridge is there a way to get the ph with this?


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Re: Why didnt I get a good pinset? [Re: HUBSonDUBS]
    #5765072 - 06/18/06 05:13 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

put some of your casing mix in a clean cup and pour warm distilled water into the cup, then dip your litmus strip into the water after it's been in there a while


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Re: Why didnt I get a good pinset? [Re: liamtheloser]
    #5765125 - 06/18/06 05:31 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

But wont that just get the Ph of the water I'm putting in not the Ph of the actual casing layer.


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Re: Why didnt I get a good pinset? [Re: liamtheloser]
    #5765126 - 06/18/06 05:31 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

well per the monotub write up it seems that you may be doing things a little different than normal.

http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat...rue#Post5442167

it seems that the holes you made are at different heights. If i have been reading corretly you should have some holes right by the casing layer then another set of holes right at the top. Also from what i have been reading you should have just finished the casing layer then sealed the tub up (assuming you have a clear top) and left it alone so it can manitain it's own microclimate. I havent read anything about 24/7 misting..

but then again wtf do i know. Im just now gearing up for my first gro.


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Re: Why didnt I get a good pinset? [Re: Yamidude]
    #5765145 - 06/18/06 05:36 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

the chemicals in the casing layer will leech into the water, and affectively test your ph... after all, you're spraying water onto your casing, therefore attributing to the PH.


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Re: Why didnt I get a good pinset? [Re: liamtheloser]
    #5765157 - 06/18/06 05:39 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

How long has the cool mist been running 24/7?
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Re: Why didnt I get a good pinset? [Re: RogerRabbit]
    #5765163 - 06/18/06 05:42 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

Since i introduced it to light.


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Re: Why didnt I get a good pinset? [Re: HUBSonDUBS]
    #5765195 - 06/18/06 05:55 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

One of the biggest pinning triggers is the sudden reduction in CO2 buildup. Perhaps the sixteen holes allowed a bit too much gas exchange during colonization, eliminating that as a trigger. I use smaller trays than that, but have them totally sealed up during colonization and casing run except for a couple of nail size pokes. These allow the gasses to build up, then at full colonization when you expose to light, you also get the massive reduction in CO2 when actual air exchange begins. Next time, try covering those holes except for one or two until full colonization.
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Re: Why didnt I get a good pinset? [Re: RogerRabbit]
    #5765219 - 06/18/06 06:02 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

Ok sounds good.


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Re: Why didnt I get a good pinset? [Re: HUBSonDUBS]
    #5765240 - 06/18/06 06:11 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

did you start from an LC or multispore?


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Re: Why didnt I get a good pinset? [Re: coda]
    #5765402 - 06/18/06 07:03 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

If you've followed the parameters layed out in my pinning strategy then your next step is to lightly mist it several times a day and soak that casing layer down good this also triggers pins very often in a day or two. GL


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Re: Why didnt I get a good pinset? [Re: hyphae]
    #5765470 - 06/18/06 07:18 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

Should I still be spraying i stopped spraying yesterday when I first saw pins.

done from multispore.


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Re: Why didnt I get a good pinset? [Re: HUBSonDUBS]
    #5766956 - 06/19/06 06:17 AM (17 years, 7 months ago)

The casing should have been at near saturation just prior to pinning. If pins are developing you really do not want to mist, you are in full generation mode now at day 6 so misting can certainly harm primordia development but so will dry casing surface conditions. I would suggest using the waxpaper tek to raise that surface RH as high as possible until all pins are set next time, the thing is now you already have developing fruitbodies and this indicates your pins are already set this time around. Give it time.


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Re: Why didnt I get a good pinset? [Re: hyphae]
    #5767033 - 06/19/06 07:24 AM (17 years, 7 months ago)

listen to hyphae he speaks the truth :smile: if u have the right water content in your casing after u pick off the first flush u will most likely get a good 2nd flush


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