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Should all drugs be legalised or regulated?
    #5763334 - 06/18/06 05:37 AM (17 years, 7 months ago)

Vote and discuss
With regulation I mean that drugs would only be available in something like a recreational pharmacy. So that advice can be given and there could be checks on people. Like if they are using a lot of stuff a social worker could be sent to their place.
Should all drugs be legalised or regulated?
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Re: Should all drugs be legalised or regulated? [Re: cybrbeast]
    #5771486 - 06/20/06 04:27 AM (17 years, 7 months ago)

I'm also surprised by this poll. I would have thought there will still a lot of people who'd think that legelisation would be ruinious for a society i.e. still brainwashed by the government.


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Re: Should all drugs be legalised or regulated? [Re: cybrbeast]
    #5775512 - 06/21/06 05:30 AM (17 years, 7 months ago)

Most people agree that they should be legal with some regulation to them.

Age being the main factor


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Re: Should all drugs be legalised or regulated? [Re: niteowl]
    #5777179 - 06/21/06 04:56 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

straight up drugs should be regulated.


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Re: Should all drugs be legalised or regulated? [Re: johnypotsmoker]
    #5779659 - 06/22/06 06:07 AM (17 years, 7 months ago)

Viva la Mexico!!!!!


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Re: Should all drugs be legalised or regulated? [Re: XbollweevilX]
    #5780483 - 06/22/06 01:23 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

some drugs should be legal, but not drugs like cocain and heroin


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Re: Should all drugs be legalised or regulated? [Re: David_vs_Goliath]
    #5780549 - 06/22/06 01:41 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

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David_vs_Goliath said:
some drugs should be legal, but not drugs like cocain and heroin



I couldn't disagree more. Cocaine and heroin are made more dangerous by being illegal. They are cut with other chemicals and sold by dangerous thugs who make a fortune off of it, maintaining their business through violent means. If they were legal, they could be sold by legitimate businesses that work and compete within the law, rather than resorting to the turf wars we see today. Quality could be regulated, and it could be more effectively kept out of the hands of minors. Addicts could be treated, overdoses and poisonings would decline, and the streets would be free from so much of the violence that surrounds the drug business today.


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Re: Should all drugs be legalised or regulated? [Re: cybrbeast]
    #5781489 - 06/22/06 07:00 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

I choose option 2.


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Re: Should all drugs be legalised or regulated? [Re: Silversoul]
    #5781987 - 06/22/06 09:24 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

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Silversoul said:
Quote:

David_vs_Goliath said:
some drugs should be legal, but not drugs like cocain and heroin



I couldn't disagree more.  Cocaine and heroin are made more dangerous by being illegal.  They are cut with other chemicals and sold by dangerous thugs who make a fortune off of it, maintaining their business through violent means.  If they were legal, they could be sold by legitimate businesses that work and compete within the law, rather than resorting to the turf wars we see today.  Quality could be regulated, and it could be more effectively kept out of the hands of minors.  Addicts could be treated, overdoses and poisonings would decline, and the streets would be free from so much of the violence that surrounds the drug business today.




I totally agree.  :thumbup:


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Re: Should all drugs be legalised or regulated? [Re: Microcosmatrix]
    #5782372 - 06/22/06 11:12 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

arent drugs legal in mexico?




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Re: Should all drugs be legalised or regulated? [Re: dudefromaz]
    #5782754 - 06/23/06 01:39 AM (17 years, 7 months ago)

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arent drugs legal in mexico?



No. In fact, Federalis can be much bigger assholes about it than American cops. Of course, since they're so corrupt, they'll leave you alone if the price is right.


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Re: Should all drugs be legalised or regulated? [Re: Microcosmatrix]
    #5788650 - 06/25/06 05:10 AM (17 years, 7 months ago)

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Microcosmatrix said:
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Silversoul said:
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David_vs_Goliath said:
some drugs should be legal, but not drugs like cocain and heroin



I couldn't disagree more.  Cocaine and heroin are made more dangerous by being illegal.  They are cut with other chemicals and sold by dangerous thugs who make a fortune off of it, maintaining their business through violent means.  If they were legal, they could be sold by legitimate businesses that work and compete within the law, rather than resorting to the turf wars we see today.  Quality could be regulated, and it could be more effectively kept out of the hands of minors.  Addicts could be treated, overdoses and poisonings would decline, and the streets would be free from so much of the violence that surrounds the drug business today.




I totally agree.  :thumbup:



Exactly  :thumbup:

Even if you disregard this then there's always the principle of freedom. How can one be free if the government decides what they can and cannot put into their body?


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Re: Should all drugs be legalised or regulated? [Re: cybrbeast]
    #10229286 - 04/24/09 11:05 PM (14 years, 9 months ago)

I second what Silversoul says.  Regulation can make things safer (though there will always be a black market, even if it is legalized).

Here's the problem though: heroin and cocaine are TOXINS.  They will actually fucking kill you.  LSD, psilocybin, THC won't, at least not at recreational doses.  So there needs to be tight oversight over heroin and cocaine. 

Alcohol is not really much safer.  It's pretty easy to OD on EtOH.  Thus one of the reasons its regulated.  By that logic, coke and heroin should be decriminalized, but regulated to protect people.

I guess this gets at a bigger question: should citizens be protected from themselves?  I think the answer is mostly no, but as substances get more addictive and more dangerous, more protection is warranted.


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Re: Should all drugs be legalised or regulated? [Re: BrownThumb]
    #10229553 - 04/24/09 11:53 PM (14 years, 9 months ago)

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I guess this gets at a bigger question: should citizens be protected from themselves?  I think the answer is mostly no, but as substances get more addictive and more dangerous, more protection education is warranted.




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Re: Should all drugs be legalised or regulated? [Re: niteowl]
    #10229582 - 04/25/09 12:01 AM (14 years, 9 months ago)

Niteowl:

I mean, yeah, you're right, education is a big part of it.  But face it, there are lots of plain old idiots out there that can't be educated.

Education is only part of it.  Regulation makes sense.  The CURRENT ones don't, but there should be oversight of citizens who want to take highly toxic substances.

I'm not against requiring seatbelts or motorcycle helmets either.  I see them as being in about the same category.  Let people do dangerous things, if they want, but the government has an interest in mitigating the dangers we pose to ourselves.

This will be especially relevant in a few years when we have nationalized health care and you have to start asking if you want your tax dollars paying for any fool who does something really, really stupid, and society has to foot the million-dollar hospital bill.  Ought we have prevented his foolishness?


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    #10229631 - 04/25/09 12:18 AM (14 years, 9 months ago)

You can't prevent foolishness.

People are going to do stupid things
nothing you can do about that

people drive drunk every day
they know that they are doing something stupid
yet they do it any way

Laws designed to protect me from my self are unconstitutional.


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Re: Should all drugs be legalised or regulated? [Re: niteowl]
    #10229972 - 04/25/09 02:56 AM (14 years, 9 months ago)

I dont think cocaine and heroin should be legal
i probably never will


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Re: Should all drugs be legalised or regulated? [Re: 2859558484]
    #10230405 - 04/25/09 09:20 AM (14 years, 9 months ago)

Why not?

People will get them regardless.

Why not legalize ALL drugs. Impose restrictions on them, and put the money we have been spending on fighting drugs into drug education.

Win, win situation.


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Re: Should all drugs be legalised or regulated? [Re: niteowl]
    #10241704 - 04/27/09 09:37 AM (14 years, 9 months ago)

I personally think that all drugs should be decriminalized.

people that have a drug problem do not belong in jail or prison...

they belong in some kind of treatment program.



I have a very close friend that can't stay off the hard drugs...

He has been in and out of jail and prison for the past  25 years.

His last episode was running around town with a knife threatening to kill himself with a knife.
He was strung out on Meth and thought that Aliens and Bugs were inside his body.
The Police showed up and he refused to drop the knife at their request...
so they tazered him 2 or 3 times til he fell to the ground...
he was probably lucky that they didn't just shoot him dead.

He spent 14 months in King County Jail without going to trial...
When he finally went before the Judge, it was decided to send him off to Western State.
He was no longer a danger to himself or Society...
but the State of Washington decided to put him in a Mental Institute(Western State) even though he isn't insane...for 10 years.
basically because they are just tired of dealing with him.

He spent 2 years in Western State before they finally let him out...on a conditional release.


2 months ago he failed a drug test...
so he was arrested and taken back to Western State Hospital.
He isn't insane...
he has a drug problem.

So now he is stuck in Western State again...
and the tax payers are paying over $400 a day for him to be locked up in there.

I talked to him the other night on the phone and he said he would rather be back in jail or prison...
rather than being in a Mental Institute.


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Re: Should all drugs be legalised or regulated? [Re: Roadkill]
    #10241833 - 04/27/09 10:17 AM (14 years, 9 months ago)

Yea, mental institutions suck balls.

I feel sorry for your friend.
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Re: Should all drugs be legalised or regulated? [Re: Silversoul]
    #10242937 - 04/27/09 01:51 PM (14 years, 9 months ago)

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overdoses and poisonings would decline, .




I agree with the rest of your post. I'm not sure overdoses would decline if heroin were legal. I think there may be more.


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Re: Should all drugs be legalised or regulated? [Re: gluke bastid]
    #10299856 - 05/06/09 10:14 PM (14 years, 8 months ago)

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Silversoul said:
overdoses and poisonings would decline, .




I agree with the rest of your post. I'm not sure overdoses would decline if heroin were legal. I think there may be more.



Possibly in the short term.  However, with people knowing the exact purity of what they're getting, I think the overdoses would decline over the long term.


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Re: Should all drugs be legalised or regulated? [Re: Silversoul]
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Re: Should all drugs be legalised or regulated? [Re: niteowl]
    #10314068 - 05/09/09 07:07 PM (14 years, 8 months ago)

They should be legalized but they never will be. If they could regulate it and tax it and make money then yes they would. But most drugs can be made at home or grown.


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Re: Should all drugs be legalised or regulated? [Re: Bretdaniel]
    #10322775 - 05/11/09 02:41 PM (14 years, 8 months ago)

"regulation" is a very ambiguous term...

  • alcohol and cigarettes are regulated in the sense that you have to be above a certain age to consume them.
  • the right to drive is regulated in the sense that you have to pass a test to drive
  • marijuana is regulated in a way, since you need a doctors note to have it
  • peanut butter is regulated since the government watches the industry standards

    Legalization means anybody should be able to get it at any time. So what is meant by "regulation"?

    There should definitely be an age limit, but thats about it. Treat it like any other psychotropic substance.


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    Re: Should all drugs be legalised or regulated? [Re: Roadkill]
        #10324236 - 05/11/09 08:47 PM (14 years, 8 months ago)

    $400 a day is cheap as hell.

    Mental institues are costing about  815+ bucks a  day according to my uncle. I'm talking private (fed funded).


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    Re: Should all drugs be legalised or regulated? [Re: Roadkill]
        #10330212 - 05/12/09 11:08 PM (14 years, 8 months ago)

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    His last episode was running around town with a knife threatening to kill himself with a knife.
    He was strung out on Meth and thought that Aliens and Bugs were inside his body.
    The Police showed up and he refused to drop the knife at their request...
    so they tazered him 2 or 3 times til he fell to the ground...
    he was probably lucky that they didn't just shoot him dead.
    :frown:




    Heh, I saw an identical situation on cops one time....

    I think substance use should be decriminalized and regulated.  I've read that the cost of law enforcement alone (not including the rest of the legal system) on drugs is around seven times as much as effective treatment.


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    Re: Should all drugs be legalised or regulated? [Re: cybrbeast]
        #10975501 - 08/31/09 08:40 PM (14 years, 4 months ago)

    I feel that what you choose to do to yourself is your decision and not the governments.


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    Re: Should all drugs be legalised or regulated? [Re: fromga2wa]
        #11003792 - 09/05/09 11:11 AM (14 years, 4 months ago)

    "Regulation can make things safer (though there will always be a black market, even if it is legalized)."


    Why this?


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    Re: Should all drugs be legalised or regulated? [Re: EdgeChaos]
        #11003891 - 09/05/09 11:42 AM (14 years, 4 months ago)

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    "Regulation can make things safer (though there will always be a black market, even if it is legalized)."


    Why this?





    Because like alcohol, there will be some areas that opt to not sell drugs in their community.
    In these 'dry counties' there are bootleggers who sell alcohol illegally

    there won't be many bootleggers but there will be a few

    Another thing I have noticed on this subject. Is that people think that if a drug is legalized that there will be no regulations to it

    This is so not true. Regulation has to go hand in hand with legalization.

    You can't regulate a drug that is not legal.

    If you decriminalize a drug then there is no regulation at all
    drug dealers will have the final say as to who gets the drug

    IMO decriminalization is not the answer at all.

    Full legalization/regulation/taxation of EVERY recreational drug is the only way to truly control them


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    Re: Should all drugs be legalised or regulated? [Re: niteowl]
        #11006088 - 09/05/09 08:46 PM (14 years, 4 months ago)

    "Full legalization/regulation/taxation of EVERY recreational drug is the only way to truly control them"

    Makes me curious what the government is doing if control is not the goal?


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    Re: Should all drugs be legalised or regulated? [Re: niteowl]
        #11028981 - 09/09/09 05:52 PM (14 years, 4 months ago)

    I had a thought-child about this one - how about a tax directly dependent on the amount of deaths related to the drug. Alcohol tax is already pretty high, so we could base it off that. It would help get the industry at least try and cover up the deaths resulting, or maybe miraculously actually get them to care about the quality. Weed is cheap and doesn't really result in death, but with it legalized studies could actually take place on a large scale. You could have a little check box on your health form that says "smokes cannibis", and they could track to see if it actually causes any health detriments.


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    Re: Should all drugs be legalised or regulated? [Re: Roadkill]
        #11167906 - 10/02/09 01:54 AM (14 years, 3 months ago)

    Quote:

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    I personally think that all drugs should be decriminalized.

    people that have a drug problem do not belong in jail or prison...

    they belong in some kind of treatment program.



    I have a very close friend that can't stay off the hard drugs...

    He has been in and out of jail and prison for the past  25 years.

    His last episode was running around town with a knife threatening to kill himself with a knife.
    He was strung out on Meth and thought that Aliens and Bugs were inside his body.
    The Police showed up and he refused to drop the knife at their request...
    so they tazered him 2 or 3 times til he fell to the ground...
    he was probably lucky that they didn't just shoot him dead.

    He spent 14 months in King County Jail without going to trial...
    When he finally went before the Judge, it was decided to send him off to Western State.
    He was no longer a danger to himself or Society...
    but the State of Washington decided to put him in a Mental Institute(Western State) even though he isn't insane...for 10 years.
    basically because they are just tired of dealing with him.

    He spent 2 years in Western State before they finally let him out...on a conditional release.


    2 months ago he failed a drug test...
    so he was arrested and taken back to Western State Hospital.
    He isn't insane...
    he has a drug problem.

    So now he is stuck in Western State again...
    and the tax payers are paying over $400 a day for him to be locked up in there.

    I talked to him the other night on the phone and he said he would rather be back in jail or prison...
    rather than being in a Mental Institute.


    :frown:




    Serious failure of the system.

    Addicts should be treated, not locked away.


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    Re: Should all drugs be legalised or regulated? [Re: imadr]
        #11198368 - 10/07/09 01:41 AM (14 years, 3 months ago)

    I should be able to consume anything I want whenever I want.  People who are too young should be educated.  People who can't stop should be helped.  Some people can not handle some chemicals by themselves, but a lot less people would get hurt if they could feel safe searching for help rather then getting robbed or killed.


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    Re: Should all drugs be legalised or regulated? [Re: bigsam]
        #11198374 - 10/07/09 01:43 AM (14 years, 3 months ago)

    I change my vote, amphetamines and other harmful drugs should be illegal.


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        #11198677 - 10/07/09 04:42 AM (14 years, 3 months ago)

    So should we make tobacco illegal now :flowstone:


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        #11199575 - 10/07/09 10:12 AM (14 years, 3 months ago)

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    So should we make tobacco illegal now :flowstone:




    Apparently we should make them all illegal since each one can potentially have harmful, negative effects.


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    Re: Should all drugs be legalised or regulated? [Re: Dug a Sprogie]
        #11224642 - 10/11/09 01:02 AM (14 years, 3 months ago)

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    Dug a Sprogie said:
    I change my vote, amphetamines and other harmful drugs should be illegal.




    Not quite for me! Making it should be illegal! Having it and smoking it shouldn't!
    Just like liquor, We can drink it but its illegal to distill it urself for drinking! Although u can distill it to run ur car or lawnmower!!!!  :albundy:


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    Re: Should all drugs be legalised or regulated? [Re: fromga2wa]
        #11402571 - 11/07/09 04:16 AM (14 years, 2 months ago)

    weed n shrooms yes everything else should be controlled to some extend depending what it is


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    Re: Should all drugs be legalised or regulated? [Re: Roadkill]
        #11402594 - 11/07/09 04:30 AM (14 years, 2 months ago)

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    Roadkill said:
    I personally think that all drugs should be decriminalized.

    people that have a drug problem do not belong in jail or prison...

    they belong in some kind of treatment program.



    I have a very close friend that can't stay off the hard drugs...

    He has been in and out of jail and prison for the past  25 years.

    His last episode was running around town with a knife threatening to kill himself with a knife.
    He was strung out on Meth and thought that Aliens and Bugs were inside his body.
    The Police showed up and he refused to drop the knife at their request...
    so they tazered him 2 or 3 times til he fell to the ground...
    he was probably lucky that they didn't just shoot him dead.

    He spent 14 months in King County Jail without going to trial...
    When he finally went before the Judge, it was decided to send him off to Western State.
    He was no longer a danger to himself or Society...
    but the State of Washington decided to put him in a Mental Institute(Western State) even though he isn't insane...for 10 years.
    basically because they are just tired of dealing with him.

    He spent 2 years in Western State before they finally let him out...on a conditional release.


    2 months ago he failed a drug test...
    so he was arrested and taken back to Western State Hospital.
    He isn't insane...
    he has a drug problem.

    So now he is stuck in Western State again...
    and the tax payers are paying over $400 a day for him to be locked up in there.

    I talked to him the other night on the phone and he said he would rather be back in jail or prison...
    rather than being in a Mental Institute.


    :frown:




    Amen to all you said.
    Locking up drug addicts costs way more than treating their actual problems properly. Plus most people I know that use drugs are able to use them responsibly, so there is no need to destroy the lives of people who function completely normal and are actually an asset to society, working, paying their taxes and raising the next generation of tax payers.
    Bottom line:
    People that have an addiction problem need treatment (just like alcoholics). The drugs are NOT the source of their problems.
    People that are able to use responsibly need to be left the fuck alone.


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    Re: Should all drugs be legalised or regulated? [Re: German Kahuna]
        #21103171 - 01/11/15 05:54 PM (9 years, 19 days ago)

    I think all drugs should be legal. This is why, no one should EVER tell an adult what they should be allowed to put in their body. We already have laws against violent or forceful actions. Drugs being illegal have never solved anything in fact it makes people who get a rush want to start it and there are alot of myths surrounding them on both sides pro drug or anti drug. I think that people should be completely educated i think that schools should have a drug class that students are required to go to all through middle school and high school. I think they should have weeks of study into these drugs and if they choose as adults to take them then who should tell them they can't? If you do a drug and you do something violent against someone else well we already have a law against that high or not. Not only do drugs being illegal cause people to try more dangerous "legal" highs that could do much more damage but it is making control over your conscious state of mind illegal. It makes it illegal to be able to change your perspective and consciousness how you want to.


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    Re: Should all drugs be legalised or regulated? [Re: universaltruth]
        #21205404 - 01/31/15 03:38 AM (9 years, 2 hours ago)

    I would vote yes, to stop a lot of the persecution of good people.


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