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Offlinegluke bastid
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Re: Should all drugs be legalised or regulated? [Re: Silversoul]
    #10242937 - 04/27/09 01:51 PM (14 years, 10 months ago)

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overdoses and poisonings would decline, .




I agree with the rest of your post. I'm not sure overdoses would decline if heroin were legal. I think there may be more.


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Re: Should all drugs be legalised or regulated? [Re: gluke bastid]
    #10299856 - 05/06/09 10:14 PM (14 years, 10 months ago)

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gluke bastid said:
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Silversoul said:
overdoses and poisonings would decline, .




I agree with the rest of your post. I'm not sure overdoses would decline if heroin were legal. I think there may be more.



Possibly in the short term.  However, with people knowing the exact purity of what they're getting, I think the overdoses would decline over the long term.


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Re: Should all drugs be legalised or regulated? [Re: Silversoul]
    #10308374 - 05/08/09 02:12 PM (14 years, 10 months ago)



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Re: Should all drugs be legalised or regulated? [Re: niteowl]
    #10314068 - 05/09/09 07:07 PM (14 years, 10 months ago)

They should be legalized but they never will be. If they could regulate it and tax it and make money then yes they would. But most drugs can be made at home or grown.

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Re: Should all drugs be legalised or regulated? [Re: Bretdaniel]
    #10322775 - 05/11/09 02:41 PM (14 years, 10 months ago)

"regulation" is a very ambiguous term...

  • alcohol and cigarettes are regulated in the sense that you have to be above a certain age to consume them.
  • the right to drive is regulated in the sense that you have to pass a test to drive
  • marijuana is regulated in a way, since you need a doctors note to have it
  • peanut butter is regulated since the government watches the industry standards

    Legalization means anybody should be able to get it at any time. So what is meant by "regulation"?

    There should definitely be an age limit, but thats about it. Treat it like any other psychotropic substance.


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    Re: Should all drugs be legalised or regulated? [Re: Roadkill]
        #10324236 - 05/11/09 08:47 PM (14 years, 10 months ago)

    $400 a day is cheap as hell.

    Mental institues are costing about  815+ bucks a  day according to my uncle. I'm talking private (fed funded).

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    Re: Should all drugs be legalised or regulated? [Re: Roadkill]
        #10330212 - 05/12/09 11:08 PM (14 years, 10 months ago)

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    Roadkill said:




    His last episode was running around town with a knife threatening to kill himself with a knife.
    He was strung out on Meth and thought that Aliens and Bugs were inside his body.
    The Police showed up and he refused to drop the knife at their request...
    so they tazered him 2 or 3 times til he fell to the ground...
    he was probably lucky that they didn't just shoot him dead.
    :frown:




    Heh, I saw an identical situation on cops one time....

    I think substance use should be decriminalized and regulated.  I've read that the cost of law enforcement alone (not including the rest of the legal system) on drugs is around seven times as much as effective treatment.


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    Re: Should all drugs be legalised or regulated? [Re: cybrbeast]
        #10975501 - 08/31/09 08:40 PM (14 years, 6 months ago)

    I feel that what you choose to do to yourself is your decision and not the governments.


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    Re: Should all drugs be legalised or regulated? [Re: fromga2wa]
        #11003792 - 09/05/09 11:11 AM (14 years, 6 months ago)

    "Regulation can make things safer (though there will always be a black market, even if it is legalized)."


    Why this?

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    Re: Should all drugs be legalised or regulated? [Re: EdgeChaos]
        #11003891 - 09/05/09 11:42 AM (14 years, 6 months ago)

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    EdgeChaos said:
    "Regulation can make things safer (though there will always be a black market, even if it is legalized)."


    Why this?





    Because like alcohol, there will be some areas that opt to not sell drugs in their community.
    In these 'dry counties' there are bootleggers who sell alcohol illegally

    there won't be many bootleggers but there will be a few

    Another thing I have noticed on this subject. Is that people think that if a drug is legalized that there will be no regulations to it

    This is so not true. Regulation has to go hand in hand with legalization.

    You can't regulate a drug that is not legal.

    If you decriminalize a drug then there is no regulation at all
    drug dealers will have the final say as to who gets the drug

    IMO decriminalization is not the answer at all.

    Full legalization/regulation/taxation of EVERY recreational drug is the only way to truly control them


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    Re: Should all drugs be legalised or regulated? [Re: niteowl]
        #11006088 - 09/05/09 08:46 PM (14 years, 6 months ago)

    "Full legalization/regulation/taxation of EVERY recreational drug is the only way to truly control them"

    Makes me curious what the government is doing if control is not the goal?

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    Re: Should all drugs be legalised or regulated? [Re: niteowl]
        #11028981 - 09/09/09 05:52 PM (14 years, 6 months ago)

    I had a thought-child about this one - how about a tax directly dependent on the amount of deaths related to the drug. Alcohol tax is already pretty high, so we could base it off that. It would help get the industry at least try and cover up the deaths resulting, or maybe miraculously actually get them to care about the quality. Weed is cheap and doesn't really result in death, but with it legalized studies could actually take place on a large scale. You could have a little check box on your health form that says "smokes cannibis", and they could track to see if it actually causes any health detriments.

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    Re: Should all drugs be legalised or regulated? [Re: Roadkill]
        #11167906 - 10/02/09 01:54 AM (14 years, 5 months ago)

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    Roadkill said:
    I personally think that all drugs should be decriminalized.

    people that have a drug problem do not belong in jail or prison...

    they belong in some kind of treatment program.



    I have a very close friend that can't stay off the hard drugs...

    He has been in and out of jail and prison for the past  25 years.

    His last episode was running around town with a knife threatening to kill himself with a knife.
    He was strung out on Meth and thought that Aliens and Bugs were inside his body.
    The Police showed up and he refused to drop the knife at their request...
    so they tazered him 2 or 3 times til he fell to the ground...
    he was probably lucky that they didn't just shoot him dead.

    He spent 14 months in King County Jail without going to trial...
    When he finally went before the Judge, it was decided to send him off to Western State.
    He was no longer a danger to himself or Society...
    but the State of Washington decided to put him in a Mental Institute(Western State) even though he isn't insane...for 10 years.
    basically because they are just tired of dealing with him.

    He spent 2 years in Western State before they finally let him out...on a conditional release.


    2 months ago he failed a drug test...
    so he was arrested and taken back to Western State Hospital.
    He isn't insane...
    he has a drug problem.

    So now he is stuck in Western State again...
    and the tax payers are paying over $400 a day for him to be locked up in there.

    I talked to him the other night on the phone and he said he would rather be back in jail or prison...
    rather than being in a Mental Institute.


    :frown:




    Serious failure of the system.

    Addicts should be treated, not locked away.

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    Re: Should all drugs be legalised or regulated? [Re: imadr]
        #11198368 - 10/07/09 01:41 AM (14 years, 5 months ago)

    I should be able to consume anything I want whenever I want.  People who are too young should be educated.  People who can't stop should be helped.  Some people can not handle some chemicals by themselves, but a lot less people would get hurt if they could feel safe searching for help rather then getting robbed or killed.


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    Re: Should all drugs be legalised or regulated? [Re: bigsam]
        #11198374 - 10/07/09 01:43 AM (14 years, 5 months ago)

    I change my vote, amphetamines and other harmful drugs should be illegal.

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    Re: Should all drugs be legalised or regulated? [Re: Dug a Sprogie]
        #11198677 - 10/07/09 04:42 AM (14 years, 5 months ago)

    So should we make tobacco illegal now :flowstone:


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    Re: Should all drugs be legalised or regulated? [Re: niteowl]
        #11199575 - 10/07/09 10:12 AM (14 years, 5 months ago)

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    So should we make tobacco illegal now :flowstone:




    Apparently we should make them all illegal since each one can potentially have harmful, negative effects.


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    Re: Should all drugs be legalised or regulated? [Re: Dug a Sprogie]
        #11224642 - 10/11/09 01:02 AM (14 years, 5 months ago)

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    I change my vote, amphetamines and other harmful drugs should be illegal.




    Not quite for me! Making it should be illegal! Having it and smoking it shouldn't!
    Just like liquor, We can drink it but its illegal to distill it urself for drinking! Although u can distill it to run ur car or lawnmower!!!!  :albundy:


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    Re: Should all drugs be legalised or regulated? [Re: fromga2wa]
        #11402571 - 11/07/09 04:16 AM (14 years, 4 months ago)

    weed n shrooms yes everything else should be controlled to some extend depending what it is


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    Re: Should all drugs be legalised or regulated? [Re: Roadkill]
        #11402594 - 11/07/09 04:30 AM (14 years, 4 months ago)

    Quote:

    Roadkill said:
    I personally think that all drugs should be decriminalized.

    people that have a drug problem do not belong in jail or prison...

    they belong in some kind of treatment program.



    I have a very close friend that can't stay off the hard drugs...

    He has been in and out of jail and prison for the past  25 years.

    His last episode was running around town with a knife threatening to kill himself with a knife.
    He was strung out on Meth and thought that Aliens and Bugs were inside his body.
    The Police showed up and he refused to drop the knife at their request...
    so they tazered him 2 or 3 times til he fell to the ground...
    he was probably lucky that they didn't just shoot him dead.

    He spent 14 months in King County Jail without going to trial...
    When he finally went before the Judge, it was decided to send him off to Western State.
    He was no longer a danger to himself or Society...
    but the State of Washington decided to put him in a Mental Institute(Western State) even though he isn't insane...for 10 years.
    basically because they are just tired of dealing with him.

    He spent 2 years in Western State before they finally let him out...on a conditional release.


    2 months ago he failed a drug test...
    so he was arrested and taken back to Western State Hospital.
    He isn't insane...
    he has a drug problem.

    So now he is stuck in Western State again...
    and the tax payers are paying over $400 a day for him to be locked up in there.

    I talked to him the other night on the phone and he said he would rather be back in jail or prison...
    rather than being in a Mental Institute.


    :frown:




    Amen to all you said.
    Locking up drug addicts costs way more than treating their actual problems properly. Plus most people I know that use drugs are able to use them responsibly, so there is no need to destroy the lives of people who function completely normal and are actually an asset to society, working, paying their taxes and raising the next generation of tax payers.
    Bottom line:
    People that have an addiction problem need treatment (just like alcoholics). The drugs are NOT the source of their problems.
    People that are able to use responsibly need to be left the fuck alone.


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