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OfflineIamthewalrus
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Re: acid should not be expensive [Re: rawtoxic]
    #5773020 - 06/20/06 04:09 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

agreed man


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Re: acid should not be expensive [Re: Iamthewalrus]
    #5773029 - 06/20/06 04:12 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

You know, paying $10 dollars for one of the most expierences I've ever had -- fine by me.


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Re: acid should not be expensive [Re: kaniz]
    #5773084 - 06/20/06 04:29 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

I've paid all sort of amounts in many situations, in the end as I'm sitting there contemplating the universe and it's diverse facets I don't tend to think OH MY GOD $10 for a HIT OF LSD I was RIPPED OFF.

I pay $10 for lots of things:
Ice cream for me and my girl
12er of domestic beer
25 cell phone minutes over my limit
1 gram chron nug

I pay $20 for other things:
A good italian dinner + tip
7 gallons of diesel fuel
Tickets to see an average band

In relation to what you get for your money, $10 or even $20 for a magnificent dose of LSD is really insignificant.

To associate money to LSD for me is like putting a price on sex with someone you love.


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Re: acid should not be expensive [Re: rawtoxic]
    #5773101 - 06/20/06 04:31 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

it your getting a real good dose(and your sure of this) I would definitely be willing to shell out the cash(but unfortunately if your getting stuff that is guaranteed to be good(from a trusted contact) its usually very cheap at that level) at least in my area


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Re: acid should not be expensive [Re: Iamthewalrus]
    #5773139 - 06/20/06 04:44 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

I have only experienced mushrooms a few times and when I did a small dose I had a great time, very spiritual but when I have done only a little more than that I would dwell or feel anxiety. I want to no if I need to just do a little and then after a few times of that work my way to doing more or if more is not for me.I just feel that I may be missing out on an experience by not doing more. Any feed back is good.


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Re: acid should not be expensive [Re: youngirl]
    #5773144 - 06/20/06 04:45 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

same for lsd.


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Re: acid should not be expensive [Re: Iamthewalrus]
    #5773145 - 06/20/06 04:45 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

Wow this thread has pissed me off...

If what everyone is saying is true, there are some greedy mother fuckers around where I live...

The acid comes out of Richmond, VA. and when it gets here, dealers are asking 15-20$ a fucking hit... What the fuck...


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Re: acid should not be expensive [Re: youngirl]
    #5773177 - 06/20/06 05:02 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

ime(and this is just me) I had to experience those(I'm gonna dye experiences) and come out with a positive result(even if it was scary at the time)...or at least nothing destructive...musrhooms actually even showed me that I needed to get back on ssri's...until I did my trips became extremely scarey(Even at lower doses)...probably the best thing to do if your scared on a bad trip...take a benzo if things get crazy...I don't believe fully in this theory of just going with it...because if it gets too intense it can cause ptsd(or at least create great obstacles in your life) and a good benzo can pull u outta this if things really get that intense

I realized that night with musrhooms that I had been gradually getting more paranoid again and feeling more stress about everything... I still want to try 5-htp but not until I'm more along in cbt wtih effexor


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Re: acid should not be expensive [Re: Iamthewalrus]
    #5774039 - 06/20/06 08:44 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

Lol MustardMan, I'd probably still pay 15-20 bucks if it's decent :smile:  Given one decent hit ~ 2g dried cubes, it's actually about the same price (given 35$ per/ eighth, and an eighth is about 3.5g).


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Re: acid should not be expensive [Re: va_shroomer]
    #5774583 - 06/20/06 10:53 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

Here in Brasil we can get acid at 15 Reais, which means about 6 USD... Quite a good price now that I think of it.. But 15 reais to brasilians is quite a lot =(
But everyone agrees, a small price to pay for a beautiful journey


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Re: acid should not be expensive [Re: squ1d]
    #5774854 - 06/20/06 11:52 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

I've done LSD, I've done mushrooms, and I've done DMT, anything magical about it isn't because of the drug, its cause of your mind. I really used to think that psychedelics were magic, until I stopped using them. Just sit around an entire day and think, read a book, shit talk to people, if LSD was more magic than life, than how come when your sober you have the power to realize its magic? People really are shortchanging their minds, its hard to let go of your ego, but you don't need LSD for it. Experience in any shape or form is what makes life in general magic, LSD doesn't do shit for a dead person. I know enough scumbags that used to trip out all the time, LSD never changed them. Maybe its because I'm from New Jersey and I'm surrounded by people that are pieces of shit, but I am who I am because I made myself this way, and to say LSD aided in that anymore than any other experience, whether positive or negative is shortchanging myself. You are a product of your environment, at least thats what I believe.
I'm not going to say doing LSD didn't change me 1 bit, but any change that did occur was because of the experience, not because of the drug. If someone does LSD and does something stupid, if you blame him not the drug than you can't blame the drug for anything positive either, you can't have your cake and eat it too. LSD is an inanimate chemical, anything you experience is because of your brain reacting to that chemical, any change is thanks to your brain, not thanks to LSD.
As for selling LSD, who the fuck is anyone to say anything about what anybody does in the privacy of their home? I really don't care if some rich fuck pays 100 bucks for a hit of LSD, if he's happy and the dealer is happy, then why should anyone care? I wouldn't do it, but I wouldn't care. Do I think its a ripoff, yes, I would never pay more than 7 bucks for a hit of LSD, but if neither part has any objections, then good for them. Now if someone sells fake LSD, that is in my opinion not only misrepresentation, but its stealing and they deserve whatever they get comming to them. People sell fake LSD in raves in my area all the time, and they deserve to get their ass whooped, but if someone says 20 bucks for a hit of LSD and its real, either say no and move on or take it, if its worth it to someone than who cares. If LSD is going to continue to be sold, its not going to be the same. The networks arean't the same, nor are the chemists. No more dead shows, means LSD is going to switch more hands. The reason why LSD was so cheap was because it was easy to move (as a crystal), and it didn't go thru that many hands, and if it did it was in more bulk than it is now. When sheets start costing 100-150 bucks again, I'd start selling LSD for 5 bucks, until that the price is and should be relative to what you paid for it. If someone pays 500 bucks for a sheet, they should at the very least double their money.

Side note-I did read chinacats post, I do know a lot of ex-dead heads, some from cali, even fewer knew the people laying out sheets and one of them I even talked to him about the post and he said that they were making a nice chunk of change selling LSD, they weren't giving the shit away after all. That doesn't change what I think, and once again, if LSD is so magical, how come the 60's generartion that was so againest the "man" of then, turned into the "man" of today? I think its because people change a lot more from time and experience than drugs. Not to say I don't think tripping isn't intresting, and magic, but it is thanks to your mind not the drugs. The most mind blowing experience I ever had was in my dreams, while sober, not while taking any drug.

Edited-for spaces, though it still doesn't flow right and I would have to put spaces after almost every other sentence half the time and move a buncha sentences for it to work out. If posting over 500 words I will at least "try" to use paragraph breaks.


Edited by twiggedoubt (06/21/06 02:04 PM)


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Re: acid should not be expensive [Re: twiggedoubt]
    #5775092 - 06/21/06 01:02 AM (17 years, 7 months ago)

Im 50/50 on how I feel about that long ass post of yours.

Kind of like how some acid is not so good, or how you might need a short break inbetween trips, or paragraphs.

If you think you can learn the same things when sober, then you dont know the first thing about lsd. Im not talking about some typical epiphany Ive experienced during trips. Im talking about how the changes in the way your brain works cannot be duplicated by meditation or dreaming etc. Within the context of what I think you are trying to say, there is no reason to compare lsd to dreaming or other potentially mind blowing experiences.

Oh ya, and I dont care if the dealer is happy. Me being happy is all that matters. The dealer is usually pretty happy about the deal, thats why they set the price and deal drugs.
Its true though, you can be happy about a shitty price, even an extreemely shitty price.
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Is the drug not just a simple experience? Why would someone take a psychedelic if an experience did not follow?
Your right though, if we didnt have a brain then there would be no psychedelics to react to. SO ya, hallucinogens are like putting a magnifying glass over our minds and the reason people react to them is because they have brains.

You have blown my mind....... Thanks for the experience.


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Re: acid should not be expensive [Re: twiggedoubt]
    #5775406 - 06/21/06 03:26 AM (17 years, 7 months ago)

I can't read your posts dude I would highly recommend splitting up into an easier way to read em(I have a low attention span :P)


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Re: acid should not be expensive [Re: Iamthewalrus]
    #5776784 - 06/21/06 02:36 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

If a person born blind takes LSD they will not hallucinate. I will use this as an example of anything you learn from LSD is already in your mind. I think LSD might change your perspective because you feel different, but this in know way will guarentee that tripping will give you a positive experience. It will give you an experience though, and like all experiences whether positive or not, the more extreme an experience the more it changes you. For example going to war and seeing people get killed in front of you will change you, just like seeing your friend die, or getting married will change you.
LSD can help you see things from a different perspective, but it isn't a perspective that you don't already have, it is something you might not use often, or maybe even at all, but it is still there. As if using LSD can help you use different parts of your mind, thats on a case by case basis. The more extreme the trip, no matter in which direction, the more likely it will change you, but not because of the drug, but because of the experience, of course LSD has some part of this, but not the biggest part. I agree that taking LSD might change you in some way, I just disagree why the change happens. I do understand that looking at yourself with all you flaws, and looking at how you really look thru another perspective can change you, I do think that you really can do this by yourself though, without any drug. Hell alcohol can get you to that point.
I really do like taking LSD and I think the world is intresting on it, but you have to already have a third eye for LSD to open it. As for not being able to feel what LSD feels like without the chemical, whether or not this is true doesn't change the fact that you need a mind first, not LSD. I was refering more to the things you learn on LSD can be learned while sober vs you can feel the same way you can on LSD without LSD. Looking at life period is positive whether stoned or tripping or sober. I still do LSD when I can get it, but I don't think the drug changes me, the experience is what changes me. At the same time, if you think that LSD really did change your life, the drug not the experience than great, but its no different from someone that found god and claims to be saved. I just think it is a little more complex than that. Then again, I think life and everything for that matter is just 1 giant math equation.

When I say experience vs the drug, of course I mean the experience while under the influence of the drug, but also the experience even if you weren't on the drug would change you. I am pretty much saying that people don't give enough credit to their mind, that sums it up pretty much. I am also saying that LSD isn't what makes the experience, your mind is. Your mind+LSD=tripping which in turn you perceive things different, but whatever you get from this is thanks to the experience as a whole and your mind, not LSD, and I also think that you can learn everything you could off LSD sober, though it might take longer and will probally require some type of effort. LSD might be a shortcut in some cases, but it really depends on a lot of things.

"Oh ya, and I dont care if the dealer is happy. Me being happy is all that matters"
If that was true, than why even pay for the LSD, why not just kick his ass and take it. Do you not do this because it wouldn't make you happy, or do you care about the dealer's happiness to some extent?


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Re: acid should not be expensive [Re: twiggedoubt]
    #5776877 - 06/21/06 03:13 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

I agree with twiggedoubt. Hallucinogens are unlocking a part of your brain that would take years and years to unlock without them. They are a shortcut to those new perspectives.


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Re: acid should not be expensive [Re: shroomanic]
    #5777164 - 06/21/06 04:51 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

When you look at it acid isn't to expensive...i mean i can get a hit of acid for 10 bucks..which in some cases is cheaper than a gram.


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Re: acid should not be expensive [Re: johnypotsmoker]
    #5777487 - 06/21/06 06:38 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

man for what you get from a hit of acid i wouldnt care about paying $20, as long as it worked. however i agree with you that is shouldnt be expensive, but people are willing to pay for getting fucked up for 12hours (hell its still cheaper than booze!)


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Re: acid should not be expensive [Re: TANZWUT]
    #5783423 - 06/23/06 10:38 AM (17 years, 7 months ago)

I do like to have some benzos working in at the same time the mushrooms do.It give me a smooth take off.:)


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Re: acid should not be expensive [Re: youngirl]
    #5783438 - 06/23/06 10:43 AM (17 years, 7 months ago)

I hope that lsd becomes something that people are more open to again and maybe then a good price and decent amounts can improve.


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Re: acid should not be expensive [Re: youngirl]
    #5785859 - 06/24/06 01:59 AM (17 years, 7 months ago)

yeah it'd be nice for a chemist to synth a batch of some L and send some crystal my way. I'd put it to good use man.


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