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The Bible and Mushrooms
    #5761941 - 06/17/06 09:43 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

Does anyone know wheather or not the bible or any book from a major religion speaks of mushrooms? Also Is there any group of indigonus people whos history speaks of shrooms, basicly I am just interested in the mushrooms and there place in history. Do they have one? I hope!! Thanks


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Re: The Bible and Mushrooms [Re: DrugstoreCowboy]
    #5761963 - 06/17/06 09:50 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

I dont know a whole lot about the bible so I'll leave that for someone else to answer. But I do know the Aztecs used Psychoactive mushrooms, datura, Peyote and a few others in their rituals. They would gather in masses with everybody ingesting one or the other psychoactives.


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Re: The Bible and Mushrooms [Re: DrugstoreCowboy]
    #5761967 - 06/17/06 09:51 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

http://www.jamesarthur.net/mm_01.html

Read that, it sounds like it's exactly what you are interested in reading.


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Re: The Bible and Mushrooms [Re: spud]
    #5761991 - 06/17/06 09:59 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

Whoa...

I totaly forgot about that site. I read that about 3 years ago and forgot about it till now. Its deffinitely a good read. Thanks for posting that Spud :thumbup:


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Re: The Bible and Mushrooms [Re: Osker246]
    #5762017 - 06/17/06 10:10 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

thanks that is exactly what i have been looking for, thanks!!


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Re: The Bible and Mushrooms [Re: Osker246]
    #5762710 - 06/18/06 12:33 AM (17 years, 7 months ago)

No problem!


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Re: The Bible and Mushrooms [Re: DrugstoreCowboy]
    #5764136 - 06/18/06 11:57 AM (17 years, 7 months ago)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Soma

http://peyote.com/jonstef/Hindu.htm

In early Hinduism (the Vedas) and in the Zoroastrian Avesta, Soma and Haoma, respectively, were employed as sacramental substances. Many scholars believe Soma to have been Amanita Muscaria mushrooms, but these do not really result in the kind of ecstactic states that the Vedic hymns describe. Moreover, Amanitas only grow around the root systems of certain trees (I've seen certain pine trees in Massachusetts surrounded for example), which do not grow in India. It would seem that Psilocybes, springing from 'sacred cow' dung are are more likely candidate.

Amanitas among Siberian and Scandanavian shamen do not of course indicate a ritual use in a formal religion. Viking Berserkers (ber=bear; bear-skin wearers) used Amanitas to dispell fear and anxiety and energize them before battle. They literally frothed at the mouth because Amanita Muscaria causes excessive salivation.

The interesting theories of Daniel Merkur and others who attribute psychedelic mushrooms or cannabis use to Hebrew religion are probably erroneous. Later translations of the holy anointing oil in Exodus 30:22-38 which mentions "calamus" (Acorus Calamus) are not being denied by pot-heads who insist the word was 'cannabis.' However, cannabis does not yield up its oil well without a vacuum pump, and calamus does contain beta asarones which can be absorbed through the skin (TMA is a precursor to mescaline). Calamus is the only documented psychedelic I know of in the Old Testament.


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Re: The Bible and Mushrooms [Re: MarkostheGnostic]
    #5767754 - 06/19/06 11:51 AM (17 years, 7 months ago)

I think that McKenna said that there was found a carving in a cave on Sahara that represented an amanita. 4000 BC there Sahara wasn't a desert but still it sounds fantastical.

There is a theory that Indo-European peoples that settled in India could take some mushrooms on their Voyage to the south.

Maybe amanitas aren't ecstatic but rituals and meditation can change a lot in your experience. Plus, the definition of ecstasy can change over time and space.


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Re: The Bible and Mushrooms [Re: DrugstoreCowboy]
    #5769402 - 06/19/06 07:09 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

one of stamets books has a photo of a bronze piece that has adam&eve in the garden of eden. bettween them are 2 large mushrooms(possibly lib caps)


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Re: The Bible and Mushrooms [Re: Kras]
    #5769804 - 06/19/06 08:53 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

(Pronunciation Key)ec·sta·sy Listen: [ kst-s ]
n. pl. ec·sta·sies


Intense joy or delight.

A state of emotion so intense that one is carried beyond rational thought and self-control: an ecstasy of rage.

The trance, frenzy, or rapture associated with mystic or prophetic exaltation.




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[Middle English extasie, from Old French, from Late Latin extasis, terror, from Greek ekstasis, astonishment, distraction, from existanai, to displace, derange : ek-, out of ; see ecto- + histanai, to place; see st- in Indo-European roots.]

The Experience of ecstasy has not changed, nor has its defintion. It is very easy to confound and confuse the definitions of inner experiences. For example, the Egyptian pantheon of gods and goddesses, each of whom represented a lived experience often merged, morphed, synthesized, separated, yet the roots could still be discerned.

The Amanita intoxication yield very different states than the Psilocybe intoxication. The chemicals are very different as are there effects on our neurochemistry and attendant states of mind.


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Re: The Bible and Mushrooms [Re: MarkostheGnostic]
    #5769890 - 06/19/06 09:18 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)



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Re: The Bible and Mushrooms [Re: nightkrawler]
    #5771730 - 06/20/06 08:16 AM (17 years, 7 months ago)

Yes, I'm aware of this interpretation except that the Hebrews were identified by their adherence to the Law. One might argue that Leviticus and Deuteronomy and the 613 commandments were not codified during the time written about in Exodus, but dietary regulations would not have permitted Hebrews from eating anything that grew out of piles of animal dung. Period. The ephemeral quality of this manna may be more metaphor for spiritual food, not interpreted along physical lines. I mean, when Jesus allegedly says "I am the vine, you are the branches," there is metaphor, not literalness.

Exodus 16:13-35 deals with manna, which "the children of Israel did eat manna forty years..." which would be an awful lot of mushrooms, if the "small round thing, as small as the hoar frost on the ground..." referred to mushrooms.

[hoarfrost
deposit of ice crystals on objects exposed to the free air, such as grass blades, tree branches, or leaves. It is formed by direct condensation of water vapour to ice at temperatures below freezing ]

Maggots appear in the manna if more is gathered than one can eat in one sitting, which again has the metaphorical insinuation of trusting that God will provide, rather than depending upon one's 'common sense.' To reify this in Ex 13:23-24, they could keep it (baked or seethed) overnight on the Sabbath when gathering manna would not be permitted "and it did not stink, neither was there any worm therein." Just like the 10 plagues that the Hebrews left behind in Egypt (flies and locusts included), it seems as though maggots were a consequence of not following the commandments of the LORD to the letter. Spiritual/metaphysical/magical interaction is being conveyed in this story as well.

People read selectively based on their own agendas. Potheads want to see cannabis in the holy anointing oil, shroomers want to imagine the OT theophanies were collective hallucinations due to ergot-laden 'shewbread' from the holy-of-holies, or psilocybian mushrooms. These are very old writings and it behooves the modern person to enter in the mind-set of the specific ancient people, not lay their modern trips on an ancient culture using spurious claims and by stretching word meanings.


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Re: The Bible and Mushrooms [Re: MarkostheGnostic]
    #5773528 - 06/20/06 06:37 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

http://www.miqel.com/entheogens/neem-karoli-baba-lsd-alpert.html

i wouldnt click on those links.

this is a website about MAHARAJJI www.maharajji.com

i dont know of a better source


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Re: The Bible and Mushrooms [Re: sleepy]
    #5774003 - 06/20/06 08:33 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

Neem Karolie Baba also said things like "LSD is like Christ in America." He was very specific about LSD giving darshan (teaching) of Christ. He referred to Christ often. I used to think it was because Ram Dass was American, and perhaps Karolie did not really know how Jews are reared to be averse to anything about Christ, or again, that Ram Dass really ought to 'look into Jesus.' At any rate, Neem Karolie has been important to me for more than 30 years.


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Re: The Bible and Mushrooms [Re: MarkostheGnostic]
    #5775704 - 06/21/06 07:42 AM (17 years, 7 months ago)

ive heard that the sacrement described in the vedas has become known as amanita m.

interesting to think the oldest religion around is based on a shroomie..

also, no i dont believe the bible speaks of mushrooms, but i do know the ancient jews thought shrooms were holy. :wink:


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Re: The Bible and Mushrooms [Re: hippie_cune]
    #5778537 - 06/21/06 10:48 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

Whatever gave you the impression that Jews, ancient or modern, would find holiness in anything but God? Jews do/did not have any such beliefs (except perhaps me and other apostate/heretical Jews like me :wink:)


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Re: The Bible and Mushrooms [Re: DrugstoreCowboy]
    #5797238 - 06/27/06 08:47 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

its a good sign you might be tripping when you see a burning bush and hear it talk to you.

i think they were all high back then.


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Re: The Bible and Mushrooms [Re: wrestler_az]
    #5809697 - 07/01/06 01:05 PM (17 years, 6 months ago)

I thought Muscaria were weak. I've eaten them before and just went to sleep. In the movie Altered States, the main character participates in a native ritual where he drinks a mushroom tea or stew or something made from the A. muscaria and trips balls! Why is this mushroom so popular if it doesn't do that much. You'd think a Pan Cyan would have a lot more notoriety than an amanita...


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Re: The Bible and Mushrooms [Re: Newbie]
    #5810042 - 07/01/06 03:01 PM (17 years, 6 months ago)

It depends on the Muscimol and Ibotenic acid content. One dose does not a scientific experiment make. Contents vary for different reason including geography, latitude, which rhizomes the mycelium interact with (they only grow in a symbiosis with certain tree roots), and an Amanita Pantherina which is a paler colored version is not as strong and may have been taken instead. 'Altered States' was a fiction, remember?


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