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help what kinda substrate?
    #5761800 - 06/17/06 09:02 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

Im wanna start growing shrooms ive grown weed b4 so i know wat kinda dedication it can take. I want to know wat kinda bulk substrate i should use if i dont have a presure cooker. I wanna try to use gallon zip lock bags to inoculate there will be no problems with contamination all of that will be under control, if this is impossible tho just let me know i would prefer not to use jars. i know this is kinda complicated.


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Re: help what kinda substrate? [Re: hivfreeme]
    #5761936 - 06/17/06 09:41 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

if you don't have a PC, use the BRF/verm tek, and as far as gallon zip locks go... i don't know how you're going to sterlize them, last time i tried to boil a ziplock it melted onto the side of my pot...

anyways, good luck


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Re: help what kinda substrate? [Re: liamtheloser]
    #5761953 - 06/17/06 09:46 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

i agree about the organic flour ( I wont say brf, as many other flours work also) , and verm pf style.....

you could use poo and or straw for the substrate, as these can be pasteurized instead of steralized... just use the pf jars as the spawn..

i wouldnt use the baggies ( except maybe to spawn the substrate ).

get ya some turkey roasting bags..they are only 1.50 for a box of two around here.

its best to double these up sometimes ya have no problems, sometimes they like to bust on ya

take an old ( or new lol ) syringe, cut a "ring" out of it about 2 inches.

feed the opening of the bags through the middle and over the "ring"

secure WELL with rubber bands, either cover with tyvek ( before the rubber bands ), or stuff it with polifill ( after the rubber bands ) and cover with foil to keep the water from getting in when ya boil it..


oh yeah put a towel in the bottom of your pot.. you dont want the bag laying directly on the hot bottom


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Re: help what kinda substrate? [Re: liamtheloser]
    #5761996 - 06/17/06 10:02 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

You can get "oven bags", or "slow cook bags" that won't melt from the grocery store. I don't have a PC either so I ordered a bunch of rye jars from mediummania, and they are doing really well. I used LC on them and they are mostly colonized after just 5 days! LC really makes a big difference, it's really easy, and you don't need a PC. Next I'm going to try using the microwave instead of ordering pre-sterilized jars. Some people say it's no good but there are some posts around that prove otherwise. I can't imagine that anything could survive 40 minutes on high. I'm going to microwave my jars and boil the metal lids at the same time, then remove the lids with sterile tongs and place them on the jars immediately after microwaving. I'm thinking of using Wild Bird Seed, maybe some rye also. I'll probably microwave the jars inside the "oven bags" to retain moisture, they can handle at least 350F, it says it on the box.


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Re: help what kinda substrate? [Re: hivfreeme]
    #5762030 - 06/17/06 10:14 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

Quote:

hivfreeme said:
i dont have a presure cooker.





http://www.shroomery.org/index.php/par/23588


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Re: help what kinda substrate? [Re: tallgreen]
    #5762031 - 06/17/06 10:14 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

yeah... not only with nothing survive 40 minutes on high, your substrate will cook and catch on fire! just buy a PC, you can get them for 30 bucks shipped at pressure cooker outlet.

no reason not to!


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Re: help what kinda substrate? [Re: liamtheloser]
    #5762379 - 06/17/06 11:21 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

It won't catch on fire. That's how this guy did it:
http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/4493850#Post4493850

Besides, as soon as something dries out in the microwave it stops getting hot. Try putting a dry sponge or paper towel in the microwave for a few minutes. When you take it out it won't be hot. That's because microwave ovens only heat water. If it's dry it won't be effected, so starting a fire in the microwave is pretty difficult.

I was thinking of getting a $50 PC from Target, but if a microwave works then what's the difference? Why waste $50?


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Re: help what kinda substrate? [Re: tallgreen]
    #5762547 - 06/17/06 11:53 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

oh, yeah... that's right, i totally forgot that microwaves dont catch things on fire.

must have been my imagination last night when i burned a whole goddamn bag of popcorn!

oh, and it must have been me going totally bonkers last year when i caught a ziplock microwave container full of rye grain floating in a bowl of water on fire too! and that smells worse than burning popcorn.

but yeah, if microwaves only heat water, than i guess i've had my head in the clouds.


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Re: help what kinda substrate? [Re: liamtheloser]
    #5763468 - 06/18/06 07:09 AM (17 years, 7 months ago)

lol yeah ive cought shit on fire in the microwave but that was at a restuarant with one of those huge high power ones. Thanxs for the info


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Re: help what kinda substrate? [Re: hivfreeme]
    #5763509 - 06/18/06 07:38 AM (17 years, 7 months ago)

Dude, do yourself a favor and get a PC. You and your shrooms will thank you later. If you are going to run a PF Tek, start with just a couple of jars to get your feet wet. Case one, and grow the other from a cake. While you are doing this, work up some WBS jars. WBS is the way to go! I am amazed on a daily/bi-daily basis as to how quickly WBS colonizes. PF Tek is nice to get your feet wet with and get you comfortable with the process.
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Re: help what kinda substrate? [Re: JoeMama]
    #5763642 - 06/18/06 08:42 AM (17 years, 7 months ago)

I did a bit more research. Found this simplified article:
http://home.howstuffworks.com/microwave1.htm

Microwaves also heat oil and sugars, that is why the popcorn burned, and why a paper towel won't. Not sure about the rye though. Maybe the guy's post I linked to above went better because he used millet and wheat. But it's proof it can be done. I can't just boil my substrate because I live at 6500 feet so the boil temp is much lower(199F). I'll probably have to PC at 20psi to get the same affect. I'll probably at least try a microwave tek just out of convenience.


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Re: help what kinda substrate? [Re: tallgreen]
    #5763694 - 06/18/06 09:05 AM (17 years, 7 months ago)

Microwave sterilization does not work. It may work for some people, with some microwaves, with some substrates SOME of the time, but it's not reliable. If PhD'd scientists can't perfect a reliable method of microwave sterilization (and they've tried) then you aren't going to get any better results.

Do yourself a favor and get a PC. They're cheap and effective. There is no method that you can get your hands on that is cheaper or more effective and still works reliably.


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Re: help what kinda substrate? [Re: fastfred]
    #5763711 - 06/18/06 09:21 AM (17 years, 7 months ago)

Good point FF. I just can't seem to heat my leftovers evenly! LOL

Unreliability is a good reason to avoid it. I guess I'll be getting a cheap PC.


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