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OfflineEmperorKuzco
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Re: An Inconvenient Truth [Re: Economist]
    #5775723 - 06/21/06 07:53 AM (17 years, 7 months ago)

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Economist said:
Investigate nuclear regulation in the US and you'll find 1 universal truth, there is too much regulation for anyone's good.






Your right, regulations suck. :cuckoo:


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OfflineEconomist
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Re: An Inconvenient Truth [Re: EmperorKuzco]
    #5776534 - 06/21/06 01:23 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

Are you kidding me?

You respond with a pic of Chernobyl? You know, Chernobyl being the nuclear plant built by the Soviet Union. Did you think it was build by a private corporation? By definition, chernobyl would have to be one of the most HEAVILY REGULATED nuclear plants in existance because every part of it was designed, planned, and executed by the Soviet government. And, as your picture shows, we all know how it turned out.

Look at a country like Japan, as enumerated in this report ( http://www.wtec.org/loyola/ar93_94/np.htm ) by the World Technology Evaluation center.

The key part being:
"Japan has been more successful than the U.S. in holding down the cost of constructing nuclear power plants. Institutional, regulatory, and cultural differences account for the higher cost of U.S. construction. Japan has also achieved effective nuclear regulation with far less disruption and delay in construction and licensing than has occurred in the United States."

It's interesting to point out that Japan has also achieved all of this without ever have a disaster even close to the scale of Chernobyl.


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Re: An Inconvenient Truth [Re: Economist]
    #5776725 - 06/21/06 02:11 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

The honest fact of the matter is, that as long as what's in front of their faces as tolerable it won't matter.

Reason being, humanity is only geared toward humanity, and in the scheme of things, selfishness.  Environment is not seen as a direct component of success.  In modern life we hustle through our day running errands, going to classes, going to work, spending time with our children, our friends and family.  Success in a sense has become one of two things "balance" of personal and professional lifestyles, or the hunger for power and convenience, What you put into your immediate environment are all variables. 

You can change the time of your doctor's appointment, you can play golf and make nice with the investor, you can sway the ideals of those around you... these are all immediate environment changes that the person can control.  It does not lend anything to physical environment, because it can not be manipulated (not in the sense of producing things, but in the sense of personal success) so in turn, We see it only as a place of existence, a back drop to a life we believe we are creating through societies, to success of obtaining power--either through balance (lifestyle), or professional success.

When success is defined again, as it has been in the past, as spiritual harmony with the world we live in, that will change. That doesn't mean going all to religion.  What I am refering to is nature itself.  When I grow Portabellas, it requires me to tune into what they need to flourish and exist.  I don't consider it a personal triumph of my own, but rather a triumph of the 'bella.

I suppose it could be said that I am manipulating the environment for my own gain of a yummy meal, but that is what it is meant to be.  Not creation of chemically processed frozen dinners.  When we become intune with nature, we will find that it meets our needs and we don't require power and manipulation for existence.

I know that the ideal is far fetched, and maybe only a personal belief of a utopia that people would be reluctant to embrace, and impossible to create over night.  But it is happening, slowly, more and more people are raising against pollution and chemicals, commercialist ideals, and yearning for a simpler life.

Just my two cents  :smile:


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Re: An Inconvenient Truth [Re: Acinaxuz]
    #5777824 - 06/21/06 07:49 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

Sorry about the pic, I was just being a smart ass. All my point is, is that there's no silver bullet to our energy needs. Nuclear energy certainly has its place, though the fact of the matter is that it does have the potential, however slight, of things going very very wrong.

We have to look for alternative ways to meet our collective energy needs, and in the transitional period between coal and gas fired generators to some kind of "green" energy like wind or solar, atomic energy may be part of the soulution.

But it comes down to this: What would you rather have in your back yard, this


or this?


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Re: An Inconvenient Truth [Re: Phred]
    #5797119 - 06/27/06 08:08 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

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Phred said:
Unfortunately, the "science" in that movie is almost all bunk. There are numerous articles all over the net debunking pretty much everything Gore spouts.





Just wanted to follow up on this debate with an article that I just saw on cnn.com.

http://www.cnn.com/2006/TECH/science/06/27/gore.science.ap/index.html

Climate experts: Gore's movie gets the science right

WASHINGTON (AP) -- The nation's top climate scientists are giving "An Inconvenient Truth," Al Gore's documentary on global warming, five stars for accuracy.

The former vice president's movie -- replete with the prospect of a flooded New York City, an inundated Florida, more and nastier hurricanes, worsening droughts, retreating glaciers and disappearing ice sheets -- mostly got the science right, said all 19 climate scientists who had seen the movie or read the book and answered questions from The Associated Press.

The AP contacted more than 100 top climate researchers by e-mail and phone for their opinion. Among those contacted were vocal skeptics of climate change theory. Most scientists had not seen the movie, which is in limited release, or read the book.

But those who have seen it had the same general impression: Gore conveyed the science correctly; the world is getting hotter and it is a manmade catastrophe-in-the-making caused by the burning of fossil fuels.

"Excellent," said William Schlesinger, dean of the Nicholas School of Environment and Earth Sciences at Duke University. "He got all the important material and got it right."

Robert Corell, chairman of the worldwide Arctic Climate Impact Assessment group of scientists, read the book and saw Gore give the slideshow presentation that is woven throughout the documentary.

"I sat there and I'm amazed at how thorough and accurate," Corell said. "After the presentation I said, 'Al, I'm absolutely blown away. There's a lot of details you could get wrong.' ... I could find no error."

Gore, in an interview with the AP, said he wasn't surprised "because I took a lot of care to try to make sure the science was right."

The tiny errors scientists found weren't a big deal, "far, far fewer and less significant than the shortcoming in speeches by the typical politician explaining an issue," said Michael MacCracken, who used to be in charge of the nation's global warming effects program and is now chief scientist at the Climate Institute in Washington.

One concern was about the connection between hurricanes and global warming. That is a subject of a heated debate in the science community. Gore cited five recent scientific studies to support his view.

"I thought the use of imagery from Hurricane Katrina was inappropriate and unnecessary in this regard, as there are plenty of disturbing impacts associated with global warming for which there is much greater scientific consensus," said Brian Soden, a University of Miami professor of meteorology and oceanography.

Some scientists said Gore confused his ice sheets when he said the effect of the Clean Air Act is noticeable in the Antarctic ice core; it is the Greenland ice core. Others thought Gore oversimplified the causal-link between the key greenhouse gas carbon dioxide and rising temperatures.

While some nonscientists could be depressed by the dire disaster-laden warmer world scenario that Gore laid out, one top researcher thought it was too optimistic. Tom Wigley, senior scientist at the National Center for Atmospheric Research, thought the former vice president sugarcoated the problem by saying that with already-available technologies and changes in habit -- such as changing light bulbs -- the world could help slow or stop global warming.

While more than 1 million people have seen the movie since it opened in May, that does not include Washington's top science decision makers. President Bush said he won't see it. The heads of the Environmental Protection Agency and NASA haven't seen it, and the president's science adviser said the movie is on his to-see list.

"They are quite literally afraid to know the truth," Gore said. "Because if you accept the truth of what the scientific community is saying, it gives you a moral imperative to start to rein in the 70 million tons of global warming pollution that human civilization is putting into the atmosphere every day."

As far as the movie's entertainment value, Scripps Institution geosciences professor Jeff Severinghaus summed it up: "My wife fell asleep. Of course, I was on the edge of my chair."


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Re: An Inconvenient Truth [Re: Liz]
    #5797184 - 06/27/06 08:28 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

Global warming or not, the real threat to those of us living now is the Bush Administration and former 3'rd world powers having nuclear capability. Who cares where the Earth will be in 100 years climate-wise as long as there are mad men running loose with apocalyptic power??


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Re: An Inconvenient Truth [Re: Left Nut City]
    #5797292 - 06/27/06 09:08 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

I'm actually looking forward to the apocolypse. I think it would be good for human evoloution in the long run, and it would be the coolest way ever to die. "hey how did you die? How did I die? In the motherfucking Apocolypse!"


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