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An Inconvenient Truth
    #5760307 - 06/17/06 10:58 AM (17 years, 7 months ago)

Saw this movie last night at a local small theatre. I thought that it was overall well done, made some great points, and some of the information surprised me. Has anyone else seen it? What did you think? Will it make an impact?

It saddens me to think that the decisions people have been making and are still making will so negatively and severely impact the next generation. I hope that the US steps up sooner rather than later to do our part to help the environment.


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Re: An Inconvenient Truth [Re: Liz]
    #5760490 - 06/17/06 12:29 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

Call me a pessimist, but I don't think anyone is going to do anything (or, more precisely, they won't do enough) until the situation has gotten so bad that no one can ignore it any longer. That probably won't come until a lot of people start to really suffer from ecological change.


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Re: An Inconvenient Truth [Re: trendal]
    #5760501 - 06/17/06 12:32 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

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That probably won't come until a lot of people start to really suffer from ecological change.



You mean like the people of New Orleans?


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Re: An Inconvenient Truth [Re: trendal]
    #5760507 - 06/17/06 12:35 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

True.

We don't know for sure that Man is causing the climate change. But, even if it was proven beyond a shadow of a doubt tomorrow...it still would not change people's consumption habits. People will still want to drive places and have stuff. People won't willingly give up this modern cushy lifestyle that we have.


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Re: An Inconvenient Truth [Re: Silversoul]
    #5760553 - 06/17/06 12:54 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

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trendal said:
That probably won't come until a lot of people start to really suffer from ecological change.



You mean like the people of New Orleans?




I should have said "a lot more".

NO was a geographically isolated incident - the people of one area suffered while the rest of us got to watch it on TV.

What I meant is that I doubt anything serious will be done about climate change until we are all (but probably most importantly...until those of us in the 1st World) are suffering the effects of climate change.


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Re: An Inconvenient Truth [Re: trendal]
    #5760559 - 06/17/06 12:55 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

You mean until half the population of the Earth is dead or dying, right?


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Re: An Inconvenient Truth [Re: RandalFlagg]
    #5760563 - 06/17/06 12:56 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

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True.

We don't know for sure that Man is causing the climate change. But, even if it was proven beyond a shadow of a doubt tomorrow...it still would not change people's consumption habits. People will still want to drive places and have stuff. People won't willingly give up this modern cushy lifestyle that we have.




It's the same reason people smoke tobacco while they know it's probably going to kill them. As long as the effects are not immediate, I think most people are likely to ignore the effects until such time that they become immediate.

Unfortunately by that time it is usually too late to make a change.


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Re: An Inconvenient Truth [Re: Shroomism]
    #5760565 - 06/17/06 12:56 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

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You mean until half the population of the Earth is dead or dying, right?




Essentially, yes :smirk:


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Re: An Inconvenient Truth [Re: Shroomism]
    #5760624 - 06/17/06 01:22 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

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You mean until half the population of the Earth is dead or dying, right?




sounds like a good start


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Re: An Inconvenient Truth [Re: trendal]
    #5760626 - 06/17/06 01:23 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

I unfortunately agree with you Trendal.  Until it's too late (in some respects at least), nothing will change.  It's amazing to me that with all of the blatent climate changes over the past few years, people still deny that this is going on.  :mad:

In the movie they show a pretty precise map of what will be under water if Greenland starts melting or if Antarctica KEEPS melting, which is likely given the pace we're going at, and sea level world wide would rise by twenty feet, displacing 100 million people.  That blows my mind.  :crazy:


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Re: An Inconvenient Truth [Re: Liz]
    #5760658 - 06/17/06 01:37 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

Unfortunately, the "science" in that movie is almost all bunk. There are numerous articles all over the net debunking pretty much everything Gore spouts.

Is climate change occurring? Of course. The Earth's climate has never been static to our knowledge. The questions which remain unanswered are:

1) How much of the change is due to the activity of humans?

2) Will the change result in a net gain to human exstence or a net loss?

As for "blatant climate changes over the past few years", there hasn't been any. I have no idea why you think there has been. From roughly 1940 to roughly 1970, there was a slight net global cooling. From roughly 1970 to roughly 2004, there has been a slight net global warming (although there is conflicting data on even that). In neither case could the climate change be characterized as anywhere near "blatant".




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Re: An Inconvenient Truth [Re: Phred]
    #5760664 - 06/17/06 01:41 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

Well, there's the fact that there have been more huricanes, more typhoons, and that 2005 was the hottest year ever recorded. I think that's pretty blatent. My cousin is a meteoroligist in Washington DC, and he went in to it in more techinical terms for me. In Boston last month there was a Nor'Easter. We're supposed to stop having those in January. Hurricanes have been stronger because of the rising water temperature.

There might be articles all over the net "debunking" the science in this film, but the signs of the warming are everywhere, regardless of whether people want to see them or not.


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Re: An Inconvenient Truth [Re: Phred]
    #5760673 - 06/17/06 01:48 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

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Phred said:
Unfortunately, the "science" in that movie is almost all bunk. There are numerous articles all over the net debunking pretty much everything Gore spouts.

Is climate change occurring? Of course. The Earth's climate has never been static to our knowledge. The questions which remain unanswered are:

1) How much of the change is due to the activity of humans?

2) Will the change result in a net gain to human exstence or a net loss?

As for "blatant climate changes over the past few years", there hasn't been any. I have no idea why you think there has been. From roughly 1940 to roughly 1970, there was a slight net global cooling. From roughly 1970 to roughly 2004, there has been a slight net global warming (although there is conflicting data on even that). In neither case could the climate change be characterized as anywhere near "blatant".




Phred



Climate change is of course a real thing, and we don't know how much humans have contributed to the effect, but it's my belief that we are definitely intensifying it. Burning billions of tons of coal for a few hundred years and burning 84,000,000 barrels (42 gallons each) of oil per day (each gallon containing roughly 20lbs of C02 if I remember correctly), in my mind, undoubtedly would alter the atmosphere in some human-caused way.

One reason why some cooling tends may have been measured is "global dimming." http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Global_dimming


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Re: An Inconvenient Truth [Re: Liz]
    #5761383 - 06/17/06 06:10 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

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Well, there's the fact that there have been more huricanes, more typhoons...




So sorry, but that is not a fact. There are TONS of statistics on both, and there has been no significant increase in either in the last few years. I live in a hurricane zone (Dominican Republic) and know quite a bit more about hurricanes and their history than your average joe. I am not making this up... it is easily checkable through multiple sources.

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... and that 2005 was the hottest year ever recorded.




Worldwide? I'm gonna need to see a source on that. It may have been the hottest year on record in some city or some state or even in some country, but the planet as a whole? Don't think so.

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There might be articles all over the net "debunking" the science in this film, but the signs of the warming are everywhere, regardless of whether people want to see them or not.




Actually, it's not that people want or don't want to see them. It's that they aren't there to see.



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Re: An Inconvenient Truth [Re: Phred]
    #5761392 - 06/17/06 06:14 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

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... and that 2005 was the hottest year ever recorded.



It may have been the hottest year on record in some city or some state or even in some country, but the planet as a whole? Don't think so.




I have to agree, last summer was pretty mild here, we never broke 100F and I remember temps as high as 108F through my childhood


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Re: An Inconvenient Truth [Re: Liz]
    #5761401 - 06/17/06 06:17 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

As I said in the other thread about this movie:

Al Gore is a crack pot hippie loser.

Global warming is a myth used by the media to scare people and create news(and shitty movies, for that matter).

I refuse to see this movie.


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Re: An Inconvenient Truth [Re: Gumby]
    #5765268 - 06/18/06 06:18 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

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Gumby said:
As I said in the other thread about this movie:

Al Gore is a crack pot hippie loser.

Global warming is a myth used by the media to scare people and create news(and shitty movies, for that matter).

I refuse to see this movie.



Couldn't have said it better.

BTW, what happened to that impending ice-age of doom that was gonna kill us all? When I was in grade school (in the 70's) thats what all these same nutjobs were warning us about. Sheesh, can't these idiots make uip their minds!


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Re: An Inconvenient Truth [Re: ToTheSummit]
    #5765283 - 06/18/06 06:23 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

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Gumby said:
As I said in the other thread about this movie:

Al Gore is a crack pot hippie loser.

Global warming is a myth used by the media to scare people and create news(and shitty movies, for that matter).

I refuse to see this movie.



Couldn't have said it better.

BTW, what happened to that impending ice-age of doom that was gonna kill us all? When I was in grade school (in the 70's) thats what all these same nutjobs were warning us about. Sheesh, can't these idiots make uip their minds!



Even though there are many uncertainties around global warming dismissing it like that is crazy. It's not made up by the media, the majority of scientists agree that global warming is happening, they just don't agree on the causes.
Also an ice age might still be possible if the warming seas stop the Gulfstream from flowing.


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Re: An Inconvenient Truth [Re: Phred]
    #5765755 - 06/18/06 08:24 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

Can you dispute the claim that CO2 levels are higher than they've ever been since animals walked the planet?


How about that CO2 levels and global temperatures have a direct correlation, dating back as far as we are able to determine?

It's truly mind boggling that people are so skeptical about global warming. The data is there. You're not going to get an "i told you so" award when you turn out to be right...because you won't turn out to be right.


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Re: An Inconvenient Truth [Re: kake]
    #5765769 - 06/18/06 08:28 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

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because you won't turn out to be right.




theres a hole in the ozone layer!!!!

it's still there, it's always been there, it will always be there
the earth goes through cycles, it always has.


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