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OfflineEraserhead
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I just got probable cause raided, and I'm still here... WTF
    #5757406 - 06/16/06 01:46 PM (17 years, 11 months ago)

Ok, just had someone call the dope line on me(I know who as well), and sent to cops out to my house looking for the big time... so my dumb ass opens my door as I'm fixing to go to bed and of course their greeted with the sweet sweet cheeba...

Fuck..time to go to jail....
So I pretty much either cooperate, or have them get a dog which could take a while in my city of course. And since their doing the whole probable cause rout I don't see much of an option.. so here we go...

I give up my 6 grams of headies, and they look through my house...

They make me cull my one little 1' tall momma threw her down on my couch, made me flush my nuggetry, and then asked what was in my jars in the closet...

Now, I already had some tomatoes going, and had given them my life's sob story already, cause I know I'm fucked and going to jail. And my grow wasn't there except for that 1' tall momma.

So I say their oyster mushrooms casually, without hesitation knowing the inevitable question is coming..no problems

The cop precedes to start asking me various grow questions, to which I show little knowledge and give him tiny hints of information, like he was asking me what parts are smoked and crap, knowing I obviously know, so I just say the flowers, and he asks if anything on my momma is smoked, so I tell him the drugs are in the resin part, and had him rub my fingers to feel how sticky the resin was after I broke the cola up and flushed it.


Now, do I need to be worried about these guys coming back, they filled no paperwork, and I assume called the dope line saying nothing was here since I'm still a fucking FREER MAN!!!!!!!!

I am not sure if they'd be suspicious of me growing oyster mushrooms or if they even would have thought anything of it looking for an easy pot bust.....

Damn my karma just smacked me in the face hard......


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Re: I just got probable cause raided, and I'm still here... WTF [Re: Eraserhead]
    #5757423 - 06/16/06 01:50 PM (17 years, 11 months ago)

OH ok.


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Re: I just got probable cause raided, and I'm still here... WTF [Re: Eraserhead]
    #5757643 - 06/16/06 02:45 PM (17 years, 11 months ago)

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Eraserhead said:
Ok, just had someone call the dope line on me(I know who as well), and sent to cops out to my house looking for the big time...




anonymous tips on a drug hotline do not equal probable cause, they need to meet
the informant, ask if he/she has personaly seen the grow and where it's located
from there they have to file an affidavit for the warrant listing the exact
location that your plant is, you got scammed and the cops knew they had no
recourse in the situation which is why you're not in jail, they were probably
expecting a much bigger crop.

the good news, they will be watching you for some time to come

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Re: I just got probable cause raided, and I'm still here... WTF [Re: Prisoner#1]
    #5758143 - 06/16/06 05:23 PM (17 years, 11 months ago)

bad news time, sorry.
the cops can always come back and arrest you. its happened to me before. infact they have until the statutes of limitations is up on the crime you committed.

here's what is probably going on. they went to your house , got evidence which may be "illegal evidence" since they did not have probable cause or a warrant. so now the prosecutor is looking over their report and deciding on whether you could be prosectued. after cops came to my house and found my grow it was almost 45 days before they returned........WITH AN ARREST WARRANT!

luckily for me the search they conducted was illegal and my case was thrown out. however the money spent on bail and a lawyer will never been in my hands again.

just a word of advice, no matter how fucked you think you are DONT COOPERATE with them. dont answer their questions , dont agree to let them look through anything. if they ask to look around say no or simply dont reply, or use the magic words "Do what you have to do.". there was a supreme court case where a man who had cocaine in the trunk of his car told an officer that exact phrase when they asked to search his trunk. they searched and all evidence was thrown out because it wasnt consent. do what you have to do, means GET A WARRANT!. dont believe what the cops say when they talk about shit like "if you cooperate we can make the prosecutor go easy on you", because its BULLSHIT! the cops have no say in what your charges or the penalties for them will be.

like the saying goes, "When a panther knocks, dont anther(answer)"
next time dont open your door, check to see who knocks first and if its cops dont answer. because if they dont have a warrant they cant force you to open the door, and if they do have a warrant they're gonna come in anyways so take the chance of not answering because chances are they dont have a warrant. if they do have a warrant they will announce it when they knock.

good luck!

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Re: I just got probable cause raided, and I'm still here... WTF [Re: BlimeyGrimey]
    #5758270 - 06/16/06 06:08 PM (17 years, 11 months ago)

well, now the supreme court says no knock necessary. So basically, if your door is not busted down, then they don't have a warrant.

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Re: I just got probable cause raided, and I'm still here... WTF [Re: Liquidkick]
    #5758415 - 06/16/06 07:12 PM (17 years, 11 months ago)

The thing is.. they took nothing from my house, not a scrap, nothing, so I don't think there is any evidence, I'm hoping they just chalked it up to nothing..

Especially after comments like "We need more white homeowners in the neighborhood"

I opend my door and the smell of smoke was of course in their face.. last I knew, that IS probable cause.


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Re: I just got probable cause raided, and I'm still here... WTF [Re: BlimeyGrimey]
    #5759311 - 06/16/06 11:55 PM (17 years, 11 months ago)

the smell is probable cause, it was probable cause that you handed to them by opening your door to cops. before the door was opened they didnt have probable cause.

if i was you i wouldnt grow anything for the next year or so , or until you move from that house because the cops will be watching you after this , waiting for you to screw up worse.

dont forget that they can still come back with a warrant. possibly a search warrant, because now they have reason to get one and come back and seize the jars and anything else that you dont get rid of, which would be 100% admissable in court and get you convicted. so anything you have left i would get rid of til this shit blows over.

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Re: I just got probable cause raided, and I'm still here... WTF [Re: BlimeyGrimey]
    #5759565 - 06/17/06 01:26 AM (17 years, 11 months ago)

Quote:

BlimeyGrimey said:
bad news time, sorry.
the cops can always come back and arrest you. its happened to me before. infact they have until the statutes of limitations is up on the crime you committed.





theres no statute of limitations on criminal offenses, only with civil cases

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Re: I just got probable cause raided, and I'm still here... WTF [Re: Prisoner#1]
    #5759605 - 06/17/06 01:54 AM (17 years, 10 months ago)

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theres no statute of limitations on criminal offenses, only with civil cases




Oh yes there most certainly is! All criminal offenses except capital crimes (murder, etc.) do have 7 years in which to be prosecuted.

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Re: I just got probable cause raided, and I'm still here... WTF [Re: Le_Canard]
    #5759789 - 06/17/06 05:02 AM (17 years, 10 months ago)

I really think I'm gonna just chalk this one up to all the bad shit that's been hapening in my life over the past year, and finally winning some luck back. I really think if the cops wanted me, they would have done taken me, albiet the jails of this city are severly over-crowded

Now to go find me a money order for some oyster spores and do a nice kansas city shuffle incase they try to come back in a month and ask me how my oysters are....

I'm so glad I was growing me tomatoes and only 1 plant not in flowering, and reno 911 knocked, and dumbass half asleep me opens the door expecting the mail lady and not the police.

I was thinking for about 10 minuts they ran off with one of my jars, but fortunatly some divits in the thing I had them sitting in showed me as miss counting my jars... phew.. that was a 10 min panic attack and a half.

Surley police are smart enough when going in someones house to not go opening "weird" jars of stuff and sniffing it or anything.. or at least smart enough to ask the homeowner to do it for them, incase it's a biohazard.

My jars appear to me to be at the same lid tightness I left them at and the mycelium appeard to not have anything removed from them by them, altho he probably contaminated my casing by ripping the foil off it, but who knows.

I'm just wondering how their conversations back at the station went when laughing about my pathetic shit....when they realise Hey.. those may have been something else, or they may have known and not really cared....damn this was an enlightning experience, now for my last kolonapin to ease my panic.....


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Re: I just got probable cause raided, and I'm still here... WTF [Re: Le_Canard]
    #5759834 - 06/17/06 05:55 AM (17 years, 10 months ago)

Quote:

ToiletDuk said:
Quote:

Prisoner#1 said:
theres no statute of limitations on criminal offenses, only with civil cases




Oh yes there most certainly is! All criminal offenses except capital crimes (murder, etc.) do have 7 years in which to be prosecuted.




after doing some checking you're correct, some states have in fact repealed
statute of limitations and in others it varies from as little as 3 years to
21 years on capitol crimes, in canada it's aparently 6 months

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Re: I just got probable cause raided, and I'm still here... WTF [Re: Prisoner#1]
    #5759853 - 06/17/06 06:18 AM (17 years, 10 months ago)

ouch that's scary, not having luck with googeling my state, any pointers in the right direction for how to google?

Thanks


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Re: I just got probable cause raided, and I'm still here... WTF [Re: Eraserhead]
    #5759895 - 06/17/06 06:51 AM (17 years, 10 months ago)

If you haven't scorched the earth yet, I would recommend it.

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Re: I just got probable cause raided, and I'm still here... WTF [Re: Eraserhead]
    #5759928 - 06/17/06 07:31 AM (17 years, 10 months ago)

Yeah, time to close down shop and move to another jurisdiction.


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Re: I just got probable cause raided, and I'm still here... WTF [Re: Eraserhead]
    #5759950 - 06/17/06 07:45 AM (17 years, 10 months ago)

Quote:

Eraserhead said:
any pointers in the right direction for how to google?






keep searching, vary the search terms, the order of words can make a difference in the results as well as the phrasing

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Re: I just got probable cause raided, and I'm still here... WTF [Re: Microcosmatrix]
    #5759957 - 06/17/06 07:59 AM (17 years, 10 months ago)

Quote:

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Yeah, time to close down shop and move to another jurisdiction.




exactly my plans, however it all just sucks

Need to have $ to fix my house up to sell it, gonna start paying child support in August, can barely pay my bills as it is just doing shit for my own head.

I can't afford to buy herb, and I use it both for physical pain, and anxiety, but I _can_ live without it, it's just a lot harder.

Damn this sucks but I still feel like lucky mofo, solong as they really don't come back....


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Re: I just got probable cause raided, and I'm still here... WTF [Re: Eraserhead]
    #5759961 - 06/17/06 08:06 AM (17 years, 10 months ago)

considering selling anythings to make a living is always a bad idea, manufacturing just makes it worse

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Re: I just got probable cause raided, and I'm still here... WTF [Re: Prisoner#1]
    #5759977 - 06/17/06 08:21 AM (17 years, 10 months ago)

Good thing I wasn't selling.. seriously otherwise I probably would have had a full crop going... I was just fixing to cut my clones that day and something told me not to.... that woulda been BAD and I probably woulden't still be here typing this

I am thinking about seeing if any local farmers markets want any oysters tho! nothing wrong with sellin them if I can find takers :laugh:


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Re: I just got probable cause raided, and I'm still here... WTF [Re: Eraserhead]
    #5759998 - 06/17/06 08:43 AM (17 years, 10 months ago)

actualy you may also want to check chinese resturants and hippy grocery stoers, theres a decent market for mushrooms

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Re: I just got probable cause raided, and I'm still here... WTF [Re: Prisoner#1]
    #5760913 - 06/17/06 03:45 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

grow some Reishi , i've heard that most oriental grocery stores will pay top dollar for fresh Reishi.

go to the stores and see what they DONT have, then grow those to sell to them. you have a better chance of them buying your mushrooms if they cant get them anywhere else.

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Re: I just got probable cause raided, and I'm still here... WTF [Re: BlimeyGrimey]
    #5761281 - 06/17/06 05:36 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

you also have a better chance if your stuff can be stocked in regular intervals
and looks better than the current stock, most shiitake I see look pretty old

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Re: I just got probable cause raided, and I'm still here... WTF [Re: Prisoner#1]
    #5761461 - 06/17/06 06:37 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

Thanks for the ideas guys... I hate being brokeass all the time.. and REALLY don't like the ideas of selling schedual 1's for profits

WAY to risky especially on top of manufacturing AND the headstart school that's about 1 block away from my friggin house :laugh:

I'm in a pretty good sized city, so there shoulden't be much of a problem unloading the legal stuff.


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Re: I just got probable cause raided, and I'm still here... WTF [Re: Eraserhead]
    #5762735 - 06/18/06 12:38 AM (17 years, 10 months ago)

Two possibilities here.

1. Six months from now you're in a cell wondering why the fuck you didn't trash everything when you had a chance and as good a reason as any.

2. Six months from now you're free in your own home, laughing about how you trashed everything for no good reason while you're smoking a bowl.

One is a funny thing in retrospect and one is the dumbest thing you've ever done in your life.

Your call.

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Re: I just got probable cause raided, and I'm still here... WTF [Re: Eraserhead]
    #5765989 - 06/18/06 11:14 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

I just really despise people who agree to searches.

I have no sympathy for anything that happened to you.

How many times do we have to tell you, NEVER AGREE TO A SEARCH. You can not POSSIBLY be worse off if a cop calls a dog and he finds something.

If you think a cop is going to give you a break if you agree to a search, your an idiot.


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Re: I just got probable cause raided, and I'm still here... WTF [Re: Madtowntripper]
    #5771575 - 06/20/06 06:07 AM (17 years, 10 months ago)

> I just really despise people who agree to searches.

You and me both. I have only ever allowed one search to be conducted and that was an educational experience for myself. I wanted to see how well and where he searched. I almost went to jail because I kept coming around the car to watch the cop and he kept telling me to go back. I would told him that I just wanted to keep an eye on my stuff, that way if something turned up missing, I knew it wasn't him (the cop) that took it. He got pretty pissed when I "accused him of being a thief". Anyway, back on topic ...

> If you think a cop is going to give you a break if you agree to a search, your an idiot.

Correct.

Finally, even if you have nothing at all to hide, refuse the search. It teaches the cops that not everybody that refuses a search is guilty. It wastes the cops time that they would be spending searching somebody else that does have something to hide. It helps enforce the idea that one should never consent to a search.

So again, listen to Madtowntripper, and "NEVER AGREE TO A SEARCH."


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Re: I just got probable cause raided, and I'm still here... WTF [Re: Seuss]
    #5773911 - 06/20/06 08:11 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

Quote:

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Finally, even if you have nothing at all to hide, refuse the search.




especialy if you have nothing to hide, if you're clean it doesnt matter if they search, your clean.

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Re: I just got probable cause raided, and I'm still here... WTF [Re: Prisoner#1]
    #5775656 - 06/21/06 06:56 AM (17 years, 10 months ago)

Normally Seuss, and Madtowntripper, I totally agree with you, however I was already screwed into either sitting outside and waiting on a dog, and probably more coppers, and possibly even DEA's

Or having 2 rookie local officers, who probably don't know what's REALLY going on, have their own rundown in my house, and with me knowing how much of what is in my house, and how NOT hidden anything is, decided that this was actually in my best interest.

I didn't get in trouble, yet, and wasn't looking for any sympathy in this thread, I was just moreover baffled that I didn't end up with any charges.

I had also wondered if anyone had had them come back with an arrest warrant after not removing any evidence from the house that I could tell, unless they took a leaf from my plant, or took pictures.

They took nothing obvious at all...so I'm really not expecting them back with an arrest warrant, but it'll still be a bummer if it happens.


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Re: I just got probable cause raided, and I'm still here... WTF [Re: Eraserhead]
    #5776301 - 06/21/06 12:14 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

Sounds like you are the victim of not learning your rights, GOOD JOB! :smile: Check out this post I made and PLEASE tell me if you had watched this video if you would still be in the same spot as you are in now.

A Citizens guide to surviving a police encounter

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Re: I just got probable cause raided, and I'm still here... WTF [Re: Fungi_x]
    #5779711 - 06/22/06 06:48 AM (17 years, 10 months ago)

Actually, I think I have seen that, but it was still worth a re-watch.

The only thing I would have done differently in my situation was not opening my door like a dumb-ass in the first place expecting it to be the post office with my package...

Damn not having a peephole and not going "who's there"

However I know the person who called on me, and know what she most likely said, they would have detained me to bring out hounds, which brings more people, which brings guaranteed paperwork, and more likely more people who may know what the white stuff is in the jars...

I'm still counting myself a lucky bastard, so long as they don't come back with an arrest warrant :smile:


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Re: I just got probable cause raided, and I'm still here... WTF [Re: Eraserhead]
    #5823346 - 07/05/06 12:00 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

Still Free?

If so, i would think you were in the clear, although i wouldn't start back up.


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Re: I just got probable cause raided, and I'm still here... WTF [Re: Dexter_Morgan]
    #5826952 - 07/06/06 08:51 AM (17 years, 10 months ago)

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Still Free?

If so, i would think you were in the clear, although i wouldn't start back up.




All I got going on here is some pheonix oyster mushrooms, and some pink ones they sent for free cause they took more than a week to ship, and I didn't gripe or anything.

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