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America's broke
#5757134 - 06/16/06 12:28 PM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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I have recently been forced to arrive at the conclusion that the vast majority of Americans are completely destitute. More impoverished than most 3rd world countries.
"What!?" You might say, "Americans aren't poor, they have big bank accounts, and fancy cars, and nice houses... WTF are you talking about?"
Well, yeah, Americans have a lot of shit. But they're still poor. I mean, utterly broke and destitute.
"Modern man suffers from a kind of poverty of the Spirit."
Some of the richest people I know have no money in the bank. They don't own nice cars, and they live in shitty apartments. But they are rich beyond their wildest dreams! Though their plate looks bare, they contain within themselves a vast wealth of imagination and spiritual power. They keep their riches on the inside, where they count.
"Store ye not your treasures on Earth, where they can be robbed and looted by thieves and tyrants. Instead, store your treasures in Heaven." Heaven takes notice of good deeds, and adds them to your ledger. For all the good you have done in this world, a pile of wealth awaits you in the next life.
The next time you see some evil motherfucker in a luxury car with one hand on his trophy wife's titty, sittin on the riches of Croeseus, think about how empty he must be inside. Pity him, for though he is rich in a very finite sense, Karmicly and Spiritually, he is broken, destitute, and starving. When he dies, his material wealth will be reappropriated by the world, and his soul (if he even has one left) will be subject to great torture as punishments for the wounds he has inflicted upon mankind, just so he could get rich.
Remember kids, true wealth comes from within. Wealth that comes from without is hollow and unlasting. Though you can be wealthy in both ways, one is obviously more important than the other. So don't get your priorities out of whack!
Now I know a lot of poor people are out there going: "Fuck you, J. Being materially poor sucks. If this is my blessing, count me out. Besides, you don't even know what its like to be poor materially."
Well, actually there were several times in my life in which I have had to subsist on a dollar a day. I've eaten so many Wendy's dollar menu items for 479 days in a row that I can't even think about Wendy's without gagging now. I remember digging through my couch for hours for $.35 to make a phone call, because my phone was disconnected. I remember having to tamper with my electric box to get free electricity because I couldn't afford to pay the bill during the dead of summer.
But you know what? I treasure those experiences, the perspective and depth they have given me, not to mention the strength and wisdom they have imparted to my character. So don't be such a player-hater. I've been poor too, and I found a way out of poverty that didn't involve compromising my moral values.
The wealth I have now feels so good because I earned it. I could have easily been evil and had what I have now a long time ago. But I chose to stay good, be patient, gain strength and wisdom, and earn my wealth the right way. And that is how I have kept my vast spiritual wealth in tact.
I see others who are wealthy spiritually, and I see their struggle, their stumbles and falls, their frustration with living in a material world that seems to only reward evil behavior. To them I say: "Stay the course, don't give up, don't sell out, resist, unlearn, defy! But most of all, realize you are far more wealthy than any Rockefeller. You can take the material pain and poverty, because in your soul you have deep pockets."
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Re: America's broke [Re: DoctorJ]
#5757144 - 06/16/06 12:30 PM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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I remember I talked to this Indian lady once, and she said she didn't remember anyone ever being depressed in India. The first time she really saw depression was in America. She said that Americans have too much, and it creates a sort of spiritual poverty.
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Re: America's broke [Re: Silversoul]
#5757199 - 06/16/06 12:53 PM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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you'd never be depressed either if you were sitting on God's shoulder, as many Indians do.
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Re: America's broke [Re: DoctorJ]
#5757413 - 06/16/06 01:47 PM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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Though you can be wealthy in both ways, one is obviously more important than the other. So don't get your priorities out of whack!
Excess in either direction at the grave expense of the other can lead to imbalanced living here.
I agree, place the inner wealth first in priority and keep it there. If you can add comfortable outer wealth to it and remain happy and not so much you become a possessive greedy slave to it all, where it would start taking away from the inner wealth, then, I say, fine, you struck up a good balance.
Neat story Silver!
It reminds me of how recently, I was getting down on the Do Jang I go to. It's run down looking and they don't run the AC high if at all. Its like a freaking sauna in there while we are doing hard core work outs without water.
My family and I decided to go check out another place. WOW! Made an awesome first impression. This place was buff and super stylin, everything was so new and maintained to perfection. The AC was cranked up high. We stayed for a bit watching a class and chatting with the receptionist and Master Instructor/Owner.
Upon deliberating afterwards if we would switch or stay, we found ourselves weighing this out-(price was the same and not an issue anyway)
The people at our Do Jang, which prides itself on practicing the traditional arts, bust smiles so easily and there's lots of laughter and respect shown to others there. They are so relaxed, humble and joyful and very enthusiastic about the arts and wanting to share it all with others. The owner there is like a Mr. Miaggi with lots of inner wealth, power and wisdom.
The people at this other place, where they pride themselves of teaching the westernized, modernized version of the arts, "selling it to be better) were grumpy and or pretentious, just really looking down their noses at others with the look of constipation on their faces. Their practice was so mechanistic too.
So, with paint peeling, floors needing a good sweep, and sauna temps, we stay where there is joy in the hearts of others, where the wealth that matters as first priority to us, is.
It was funny, the first person to speak up on the comparative deliberations was my daughter and she said, "The vibe is better at Masters Academy(current Do Jang)" 
Then my husband who NEVER uses words like vibe and likes nice well kept things too, followed her by saying," Yeah, the vibe at Hiembergers sucked." :rofl2)
I concurred with them and the decision to stay with the shithole building, for the inner wealth of the people in it, was made that fast.
Sure, we all would prefer for a place to have both, however, I think we have our priorities in place. I'm glad we checked out another because we have a much better appreciation for our Do Jang now.
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" When he dies, his material wealth will be reappropriated by the world, and his soul (if he even has one left) will be subject to great torture as punishments for the wounds he has inflicted upon mankind, just so he could get rich. "
Don't you believe in forgivness? That mans pain must be so deep that he deserves not torture, but redemption and love.
There are many wealthy people that realize they must heal themselves spiritually somehow, and some do it by, despite being sucked into excess.... loving their famillies very deeply and try to be very devoted to giving love.
The suffering is unenedurable, and no man should have to go it, all should be released, healed, shown love, and shown the right way.
May that man in his mercedes, and I ask this generically of all men To God, may he realize what he needs in order to be spiritually rich, and cast aside his ecesses so that not only can he enjoy the material world, but he can use his excess to help those who are very materially hungry, and going without because he is going with.
May he be touched with compassion.
You can't hate these dudes...... you can't hate anyone, it just doesn't make any sense to......
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Re: America's broke [Re: leery11]
#5757714 - 06/16/06 03:15 PM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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leery11 said: " When he dies, his material wealth will be reappropriated by the world, and his soul (if he even has one left) will be subject to great torture as punishments for the wounds he has inflicted upon mankind, just so he could get rich. "
Don't you believe in forgivness? That mans pain must be so deep that he deserves not torture, but redemption and love.
There are many wealthy people that realize they must heal themselves spiritually somehow, and some do it by, despite being sucked into excess.... loving their famillies very deeply and try to be very devoted to giving love.
The suffering is unenedurable, and no man should have to go it, all should be released, healed, shown love, and shown the right way.
May that man in his mercedes, and I ask this generically of all men To God, may he realize what he needs in order to be spiritually rich, and cast aside his ecesses so that not only can he enjoy the material world, but he can use his excess to help those who are very materially hungry, and going without because he is going with.
May he be touched with compassion.
You can't hate these dudes...... you can't hate anyone, it just doesn't make any sense to......
I agree. DoctorJ, your theology is a bit too "Old Testament" for my taste. I believe in a compassionate, loving God, not a vengeful one.
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Re: America's broke [Re: leery11]
#5757721 - 06/16/06 03:18 PM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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I think you meant to reply to Dr. J. That was his post.
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Yeah, when I saw that I thought, hey Jiggys gone balistic. Not exactly your style.
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Re: America's broke [Re: Icelander]
#5757772 - 06/16/06 03:42 PM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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How bout it. I don't pity anyone driving a Mercedes around getting some fine ass if that floats their boat. They're not hurting anyone either.
For me, I personally feel best when I keep my first priority for keeping inner wealth built up and if I can keep that maintained, then I allow myself to bring on some outer as well. If I find it has to come at the expense of my inner wealth, fuck it.
You get that icky feeling of being in the process of making a Faustine Bargain. If something has to come at the cost a piece of my soul, I don't want or need it. Thats when I know I am getting into the excess margins of life.
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gettinjiggywithit said: I think you meant to reply to Dr. J. That was his post.
oh yes I see now that it looks misleading.
Well I understand J's perspective...... at the same time it is the human perspective that the best we can do is love everyone, and hope that God fits into our ideals of loving forgiveness.
I dunno much about God... but I do know the fear and lamentable guilt that comes from in a realization of the absurd frailty of humanity, and understand that there is where the desire to have God, to have Jesus, and to be righteous comes from.
most people wall up these strong negative emotins never dealing with them, perhaps that is how hell happens in the first place. I don't know much..... it is just so ugly and terrible. No one deserves it.
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Re: America's broke [Re: leery11]
#5758179 - 06/16/06 05:34 PM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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Oh yes.
God is love
All you need is love
starving children don't exist
the holocaust never happened
blah blah blah blah.
you think God doesn't encompass pain and punishment as much as he encompasses love and forgiveness?
tell that to the rape victim
or the abused child
or Job
or the Jews
tell them that,
and they'll laugh and call you 'newbie'
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Re: America's broke [Re: DoctorJ]
#5758274 - 06/16/06 06:10 PM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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you know what I think? I think the reason people want to edit the punishment out of existence is because they have guilty consciences and are afraid to pay the toll for their own crimes.
The just have nothing to fear from Justice. If you fear justice, its your own fault.
and now, here is a poem written by some friends of mine. Chew on this a little, eh?
BTW, the albumn this was on was released on 9-11-2001
Disciple
Drones since the dawn of time Compelled to live your sheltered lives Not once has anyone ever seen Such a rise of pure hypocracy I'll instigate I'll free your mind I'll show you what I've known all this time
God Hates Us All, God Hates Us All You know it's true God hates this place You know it's true he hates this race
Homicide-Suicide Hate heals, you should try it sometime Strive for Peace with acts of war The beauty of death we all adore I have no faith distracting me I know why your prayers will never be answered
God Hates Us All; God Hates Us All He Fuckin' hates me
Pessimist, Terrorist targeting the next mark Global chaos feeding on hysteria Cut throat, slit your wrist, shoot you in the back fair game Drug abuse, self abuse searching for the next high Sounds a lot like hell is spreading all the time I'm waiting for the day the whole world fucking dies
I never said I wanted to be God's disciple I'll never be the one to blindly follow
Man made virus infecting the world Self-destruct human time bomb What if there is no God would you think the fuckin' same Wasting your life in a leap of blind faith Wake the fuck up can't ignore what I say I got my own philosophy
I hate everyone equally You can't tear that out of me No segregation -separation Just me in my world of enemies
I never said I wanted to be God's disciple I'll never be the one to blindly follow I'll never be the one to bear the cross-disciple
I reject this fuckin' race I despise this fuckin' place
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Re: America's broke [Re: DoctorJ]
#5758442 - 06/16/06 07:20 PM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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so do you or not believe in God?
If so, how does one redeem himself?
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Re: America's broke [Re: leery11]
#5758674 - 06/16/06 08:42 PM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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that poem was an expression of momentary sentiment.
it was only posted to show that yes, there is a dark side to God. Yes, there is a dark side to Christ.
The world around you should be proof of this.
Just because you live in a nice place doesn't mean the world is nice.
While you are eating and drinking and being merry there are horrible atrocities occuring in this world, many of which are funding our standard of living.
As humans, its OUR JOB to clean up this mess of tyranny and injustice. God isn't going to just come down, wave his magic wand, and fix all of our mistakes like everyone wants him to. Hey everyone who wants God to just wipe everyone's slate clean: Quit bossing God around and do your own fucking laundry.
How else do you expect to be free? One who is indebt to God is not free.
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Re: America's broke [Re: DoctorJ]
#5758810 - 06/16/06 09:24 PM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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I think the ultimate problem with Americans is what seems to be an addiction to escapism, using entertainment as a means to this end. Those who value intellect, freedom, spiritualism, or even nationalism, seem to be outweighed by a horde of, ironically, sexually repressed hedonists. I don't think it is a coincidence that the richest (in terms of money) and most famous people in our society are musicians, actors, and athletes.
I had something else to say too... but I fergot.
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Those who value intellect, freedom, spiritualism, or even nationalism, seem to be outweighed by a horde of, ironically, sexually repressed hedonists.
The practice of pseudo-Hedonism, wherein one indulges in material excess, but derives no real pleasure from the experience, is a natural outgrowth of sexual repression. Freud had that much right. 
Actually, Freud accurately predicted modern society as the inevitable result of sexual repression. When the libido is denied healthy expression, it seeks other, darker avenues. Violence, overeating (and consequent obesity), workaholism, alcoholism, and "conspicuous consumption" are all the shadow-expressions of the libido.
True hedonism is not practiced through overindulgence, but moderation. The greatest pleasure is in full appreciation of the sensual and mental experiences available to us. When you immerse yourself in an experience, you do not crave more and more and more, but reach satiation. The pseudo-hedonist simultaneously pursues and rejects pleasure, and thus is never satiated.
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Re: America's broke [Re: DoctorJ]
#5760481 - 06/17/06 12:20 PM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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DoctorJ said: you know what I think? I think the reason people want to edit the punishment out of existence is because they have guilty consciences and are afraid to pay the toll for their own crimes.
I do not fear for my own soul, but I have compassion for those who are lost or misguided. I do not think God would condemn them to eternal torture because I personally would not condemn them to such, and I am a mere mortal. If I can be that compassionate, then certainly God's mercy is greater than that. I do not deny that there is some form of divine justice. Gevurah is just as much a part of the Tree of Life as Tiferet. But God's wrath is not spiteful, but merely meant to help lead us to righteousness. I believe God wants us all to reach Christhood, and he will do what is necessary to help people get there. But this is not vengeance.
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Re: America's broke [Re: Silversoul]
#5760596 - 06/17/06 01:11 PM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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God does not demand vengeance. People demand vengeance. God is not spiteful. People are spiteful.
God is a servant to people. As long as the people want negative things, God will provide.
I think its pretty dumb that people want negative things, but hey, you gotta give the people what they ask for, right? Even moreso, gotta give people what they deserve.
Anyway, my main point is that people dig their own holes, then blame God for being dirty.
Should Jesus be a mighty warrior that smites the wicked and delivers Justice to the faithful? Or should he be the ultimate pushover and provide forgiveness for all?
Depends on who you ask. The faithful want Justice. The unfaithful want a free pass.
Whose call do you think God will answer?
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Re: America's broke [Re: DoctorJ]
#5760850 - 06/17/06 03:22 PM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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I fail to see how God is subservient to the will of the people. Maybe he is not all-powerful, and thus is not able to stop us from carrying out our will, but I disagree with the notion that he is here to do our will. I think it's the other way around.
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Re: America's broke [Re: DoctorJ]
#5760968 - 06/17/06 04:03 PM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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"Some of the richest people I know have no money in the bank."
Figures.
"Well, actually there were several times in my life in which I have had to subsist on a dollar a day. I've eaten so many Wendy's dollar menu items for 479 days in a row that I can't even think about Wendy's without gagging now. I remember digging through my couch for hours for $.35 to make a phone call, because my phone was disconnected. I remember having to tamper with my electric box to get free electricity because I couldn't afford to pay the bill during the dead of summer."
No wonder America is broke with deadbeat thieves like you stealing electric from the power company. I hope you electrocute yourself the next time you try to connect for free. Instant Karma gonna get you.
Zap.
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Re: America's broke [Re: Veritas]
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Those who value intellect, freedom, spiritualism, or even nationalism, seem to be outweighed by a horde of, ironically, sexually repressed hedonists.
The practice of pseudo-Hedonism, wherein one indulges in material excess, but derives no real pleasure from the experience, is a natural outgrowth of sexual repression. Freud had that much right. 
Actually, Freud accurately predicted modern society as the inevitable result of sexual repression. When the libido is denied healthy expression, it seeks other, darker avenues. Violence, overeating (and consequent obesity), workaholism, alcoholism, and "conspicuous consumption" are all the shadow-expressions of the libido.
True hedonism is not practiced through overindulgence, but moderation. The greatest pleasure is in full appreciation of the sensual and mental experiences available to us. When you immerse yourself in an experience, you do not crave more and more and more, but reach satiation. The pseudo-hedonist simultaneously pursues and rejects pleasure, and thus is never satiated.
Very good post Veritas.
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Re: America's broke [Re: Silversoul]
#5761074 - 06/17/06 04:38 PM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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Hedonism is the path to least resistance, meaning less effort and low values are the path of many Americans, yes we are victims of our own evolution of technological advancements, we have become lazy and dependent of the comforts and luxury of technology, creating a deprecating life style, we're also victims of the "information boom", having access to entertaining volumes of outlooks and philosophies that justify our values to the path of least resistance, much of it is impractical wishful thinking and redundance that undermine effort, the devoided spirit of America is our own doing due to rapid change, this short sightedness has led us astray from the fundamentals, we become codependent to obscure concepts and vices that erode our vital energy of growth due to the fear of change derived from isolation provided by the easiness of technology, I'd say to fix it is to align our education to this rapid change and give awareness..
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Re: America's broke [Re: capliberty]
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capliberty said: Hedonism is the path to least resistance
Please elaborate. What are you referring to when you use the term "hedonism"? I am trying to realize what relation a concept of hedonism has with the path of least resistance.
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Hedonists are apt to choose pleasure first and foremost, this is a realitve term, but hedonism is usually refered to seeking pleasure even at the expense of exercising good judgement, which is what the path of least resistence is, people who tend to follow a path that rewards easiness and pleasure in the short run, and are detracted from hardwork and effort that provide substancial longterm rewards.
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Re: America's broke [Re: capliberty]
#5763805 - 06/18/06 10:00 AM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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I think you are confusing hedonism with laziness and apathy.
The qualities of the practitioners of any philosophy do not compromise or compose the philosophy itself. Just as you could point to apathetic Christians or psychotic Muslims or self-loathing Buddhists, it is always possible to find a self-described Hedonist who is incapable of applying the philosophy to their actions.
Hedonism (in the most general terms) considers the ratio of pleasure to pain when choosing any course of action.
Short-term rewards are fine, so long as they do not compromise pleasure or cause pain in the long run. Altruistic hedonism considers whether the action will produce pleasure or cause pain for everyone involved. Several schools of thought on hedonism state that there are qualitatively different pleasures, and that producing or maintaining higher level pleasures is a greater "good" than producing lower level pleasures.
When examining the surface, it is easy to confuse escapist pleasure-seeking behaviors with a philosophy which regards pleasure as the greatest good. Look a little deeper, and you see that the desperate grasping at shallow, short-term gratification is the expression of mental illness, and not the practice of hedonism.
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Re: America's broke [Re: Veritas]
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Re: America's broke [Re: Veritas]
#5763892 - 06/18/06 10:23 AM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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Re: America's broke [Re: Icelander]
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Aren't we all so great? Aren't humans the coolest?
lets all keep sucking eachother's dicks just prove how great we are!
Lets all throw a big party for all the grueling work we've done to improve the world!
Wait, what? The world is falling apart? People are starving because of our over-indulgences?
shut up! Shut that guy up! He's nothing but a pessimist satan worshipper who wants to hurt everyone!
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LunarEclipse said: No wonder America is broke with deadbeat thieves like you stealing electric from the power company. I hope you electrocute yourself the next time you try to connect for free. Instant Karma gonna get you.
Zap.

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Re: America's broke [Re: DoctorJ]
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Re: America's broke [Re: Veritas]
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No wonder America is broke with deadbeat thieves like you stealing electric from the power company. I hope you electrocute yourself the next time you try to connect for free. Instant Karma gonna get you.
Instant Karma was fun, but she gave me the clap and then slept with my friends. So I was like, "Fuck this, I'm outta here."
Besides, I wouldn't have had to steal electricity if SOMEONE hadn't stolen all my cash.
Besides, isn't electricity supposed to be free anyway?
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Re: America's broke [Re: Veritas]
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Veritas said: http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Cat/0/Number/5762646/an/0/page/0
thought you had me on ignore, wussbag.
tell me what sin have I committed that wasn't a reaction to sins committed against me?
by the way, you're a whore, and your cat works for me. It's a spy camera.
Sleep tight 
edit: oh yeah, one more thing: Silversoul is cool and all, but he's also a huge posuer. Here, I started the exact same thread several weeks before him, and it was much more eloquently written as well: http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat...rue#Post5609967
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Re: America's broke [Re: DoctorJ]
#5764081 - 06/18/06 11:32 AM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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Once again this small distorted mind shows it's worth.
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Re: America's broke [Re: Icelander]
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It doesn't show it at all if you have it on ignore. I'd suggest stop exposing yourself to drivel. 
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Re: America's broke [Re: Icelander]
#5764114 - 06/18/06 11:49 AM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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I see defensive insults but I don't see the answers to any of my questions.
You could try to logically challenge my arguments instead of attacking me personally. But I guess you don't have the mind for that. I present a theory and instead of discussing it like grown adults, you mock me and try to drag me into your silly name-calling games.
seriously, guys. this is you. this is what you sound like:
"Takes one to know one, nanny nanny boo-boo."
I'm freakin half you guys' age and you all seem like children to me. Seriously, grow up.
You can ignore me if you want. Don't think you'll like the ultimate ramifications of said ignorance, though.
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Re: America's broke [Re: DoctorJ]
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Seems like you calling someone a whore is the insult. You always resort to this behavior when you are threatened. 
So how do you justify going on the defensive and say people are insulting you. I think your mental illness is showing again.
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Re: America's broke [Re: Icelander]
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calling her a whore isn't an insult. Its a statement of fact 
you are such a massive hypocrite, dude. You drag me into this shit and then call me smelly.
sometimes you piss me off, but mostly you just make me laugh.
I could always use a good laugh, thats why I don't have you on ignore.
ignore is for people who are afraid of the opinions of others. I ain't afraid of nothin, brah. You wanna test it, come bring it on. Or are YOU scared? 
bok bok bok bok... chicken!
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Re: America's broke [Re: DoctorJ]
#5764214 - 06/18/06 12:34 PM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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Both you guys make me laugh with your arrogant posturing and childish name-calling. Give it a rest, guys.
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Re: America's broke [Re: Silversoul]
#5764221 - 06/18/06 12:38 PM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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I'll stop when everyone else does.
"For every action, there is an equal and opposite reaction."
stop hitting yourself!
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Re: America's broke [Re: DoctorJ]
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DoctorJ said: I'll stop when everyone else does.
So much for turning the other cheek.
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Re: America's broke [Re: DoctorJ]
#5764239 - 06/18/06 12:44 PM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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You know, I have not once insulted you or called you names. I have challenged your assertions, disputed your ideas, debated issues you have raised, and objected to your personal attacks on others.
In turn, you have called me a fascist and a whore, and repeatedly assured me that I am going to Hell.
You ignore the rules of this forum, ignore the tenets of the religion you profess to believe in, and emulate the behavior of those you claim to despise.
Poverty of the spirit, indeed. WWJD?
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Re: America's broke [Re: Silversoul]
#5764248 - 06/18/06 12:49 PM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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I've turned the other cheek so many times, my head started spinning around like that chick from Excorcist 
Sorry, turning cheeks is over now. My Father named me Justice this time, and I must obey his orders and live up to my name. 
You think I like dispensing Justice? Listen man, I hate pain and suffering. But one of the things I have learned in life is that pain teaches us important things. You'll never grow if you don't hurt yourself a little.
You know why I give people what they deserve, no more, no less? Its because I'm trying to set them free. I don't want them to be in debt to anyone. Only then can they move out of the house and go out on their own. Me and Dad are both tired of payin everyone's rent and doing everyone's dirty dishes. With the knowledge and experiences that are available to everyone on this planet RIGHT NOW, people can learn to provide for themselves.
Its time to let the chickens out of their coop. If that means a few of them starve or are eaten by wolves, tough titty. The price of freedom is eternal vigilance.
Don't worry about me and G, we can make new chickens once the old ones have left.
You know how I got to where I am today? I was crucified several times. Now its your turn. Don't you want to grow up to be just like me?
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Re: America's broke [Re: DoctorJ]
#5764258 - 06/18/06 12:52 PM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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Flaming people on message boards has nothing to do with dispensing justice, and I think it's rather egotistical to pretend that it's anything like that. Christ did not say "Turn the other cheek so many times, and then get angry and hit him back." If you cannot forgive, then at the very least learn to ignore that which is unimportant.
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Re: America's broke [Re: Silversoul]
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whatever, dude, I've forgiven so much in this lifetime and others, if you knew anything you would realize that I am due some serious payback.
I've already said, I can forgive. I have forgiven. I will forgive.
But should I leave it at that?
"Oh, you raped some poor girl when she was 10, yeah I'll forgive you and there will be no consequences."
Does that sound fair to you?
I don't think so.
There will be consequences for those who have attempted to poison and destroy my brothers and sisters. Count on that.
Just because I strike back doesn't mean I've forgotten forgiveness. There must be forgiveness AND justice if God's will is to be done.
Otherwise, the innocent are recurrent victims to the evil. If I let everyone get away with everything, what incentive do they have to stop hurting eachother?
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Re: America's broke [Re: DoctorJ]
#5764305 - 06/18/06 01:12 PM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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So flaming on a message board = raping a 10-year-old girl?
Look, all I'm saying is that some battles aren't worth fighting.
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Re: America's broke [Re: DoctorJ]
#5764314 - 06/18/06 01:17 PM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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WWJD? Here's a hint:
Do unto others as you would have them do unto you. -Jesus
Love One Another -Jesus
Finally, brothers, whatever is true, whatever is noble, whatever is right, whatever is pure, whatever is lovely, whatever is admirable—if anything is excellent or praiseworthy—think about such things -Jesus
For if you forgive men their trespasses, your heavenly Father also will forgive you; but if you do not forgive men their trespasses neither will your father forgive your trespasses. -Jesus
Beware of practicing your piety before men in order to be seen by them; for then you will have no reward from your Father who is in heaven. -Jesus
Put away your sword, for whoever lives by the sword will perish by the sword. -Jesus
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Re: America's broke [Re: Veritas]
#5764324 - 06/18/06 01:20 PM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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you can call me a whore if you like. You can say I'm going to Hell.
it won't offend me because I know it ain't true.
aaaaaawwwwwwww
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Re: America's broke [Re: DoctorJ]
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I'm still amazed that individuals continue to give attention to individuals who seek it through displays of negative energy. The most powerful tool to help others who gain a sense of identity from provoking reaction in others (a need to feel power that is not expressed in the rest of their life) is to, quite simply, not react.

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Yeah, but there's nothing good on TV this early on Sunday. 
j/k, I don't watch the tube, and you are absolutely right. There is no point responding to irrationality and negativity in others. What was I thinking? 
How's your Sunday going, buddy? I think I'll get me some booze and hookers, and have an orgy to celebrate the sabbath.
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Re: America's broke [Re: Veritas]
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I am enjoying a day of rest as well. I created a burnt cd with some Paco de Lucia, Bluetech (ambient psychadelic stuff), Astral Projection, Hallucinogen, (did I get Ethneogenic on there as well? )and, for some reason or another (not sure how it really fits in with the cd), Rush. I've been partaking in the last of my sacrament and looking forward to the oppurtunities to live and work another week. I can't wait to continue to develop myself on a variety of levels. 
I simply do not buy the notion of an entire country of individuals without substance. We all have a sense of being, regardless of the specifics of our life situations. I think that an individual that does not experience a deeper understanding of reality will not actively better any situation, and will instead spout negativity and judgement of others.
Ultimately, anyone who understands will not lash out. 
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Oh, I think that Americans have lots of substance. Most of it is on the DEA's controlled substance list.
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Re: America's broke [Re: Veritas]
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I seriously doubt you even know what love is.
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Re: America's broke [Re: DoctorJ]
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You cannot easily see a spiritual presence on someone who is busy doing business and driving around their fancy cars. But even the richest people still go to church, still celebrate holidays, you can sorta say that when we spend time during holidays that it is spiritual, like easter for starters.
When you cannot reach someone spiritually means they are on a totally different path then those who are spiritual. Spiritual beings are those who do cherish everything. Take into heart that they have a family that loves them, friends that care for them, and taking care of themselves.
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Re: America's broke [Re: Veritas]
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I don't feel like I have much substance when I'm sitting around in my new chair, doing nothing all day. 
That feeling will change tomorrow. For now, I might just go get a bag of popcorn.
Honestly, though, I have actually accomplished some things around the house over the past two days, even gave the dog a bath... I think that the majority of individuals actually do live their life, they experience it and appreciate their life. Obviously, everyone operates with some limitation or another, and not a lot of individuals are dedicated to actively developing and pursuing greater degrees of awareness, but we are all on different levels of the same path.
Every moment is an oppurtunity for transcendence. 
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Re: America's broke [Re: DoctorJ]
#5764508 - 06/18/06 02:16 PM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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DoctorJ said: I seriously doubt you even know what love is.
And I seriously doubt you realize how egotistical that sounds.
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Re: America's broke [Re: Silversoul]
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Silversoul said: And I seriously doubt you realize how egotistical that sounds.
I seriously doubt you fully realize how encouraging saying that is to someone else who is actively engaging themselves in provoking reaction in others.
Fuel the fire, man! Fuck, let it burn on! Here's some gasoline! 
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fireworks_god said: I am enjoying a day of rest as well. I created a burnt cd with some Paco de Lucia, Bluetech (ambient psychadelic stuff), Astral Projection, Hallucinogen, (did I get Ethneogenic on there as well? )and, for some reason or another (not sure how it really fits in with the cd), Rush.

Do you listen to a lot of psytrance?
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I've been listening to more of it recently. The proportion of it to metal in listens has increased as of late. 
I am someone who can go from Shpongle to Emperor like that, though... Borknagar is probably going to get put on next, in fact. 
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Psytrance and Metal yer a good man.
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Wait, what? The world is falling apart? People are starving because of our over-indulgences?
shut up! Shut that guy up! He's nothing but a pessimist satan worshiper who wants to hurt everyone!
You seem to have developed a pessimistic view of what I'm about, also about what alot people are about, a prime example of over-indulgence ones fantasy world which I think one would suffer from, being instantly prejudged, does these people know and presume who the fuck I am, yeah all the time, bunch of self righteous know it alls, overindulging their fantasy worlds, sorry I don't need these peoples help, no intervention necessary, This right here creates great suffering, I got busted for a DUI for smoking herb, then ended up being lectured by 10 year heroin junky about the deceptive effects of marijuana, is this the prerequisite for being a drug consoler for DUI offenders, thats absurd, if you can't live by the standard, you shouldn't be able to preach, for many will go down in flames for it.
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Re: America's broke [Re: capliberty]
#5765002 - 06/18/06 04:51 PM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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Erm...I'm pretty sure that he was agreeing with you, and expressing it in a sarcastic manner. Also, I believe you meant to direct your reply to DoctorJ, as you quoted his post.
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Re: America's broke [Re: Silversoul]
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DoctorJ said: I seriously doubt you even know what love is.
And I seriously doubt you realize how egotistical that sounds.
dude, she posted a bunch of pics of things she considered beautiful, then scoffed when people posted pics of things she considered ugly.
One who cannot appreciate ugliness as beauty doesn't understand love, IMHO. If I am wrong, may God judge me for my mistake.
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Re: America's broke [Re: DoctorJ]
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Fair enough. If I were you, though, I'd keep thoughts like that to myself, as they tend to come across as rather arrogant. Like you said, let God be the judge. But to each his own.
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Re: America's broke [Re: Silversoul]
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if I let fear of arrogance dictate what I said (which I have in the past), then important things would not be communicated.
So, if people want to think I'm arrogant, thats fine. I'll bear those slings and arrows for the sake of trying to honestly communicate what I feel is important. Remember, I'm just trying to help.
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Re: America's broke [Re: DoctorJ]
#5780536 - 06/22/06 01:38 PM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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Besides, I wouldn't have had to steal electricity if SOMEONE hadn't stolen all my cash.
Besides, isn't electricity supposed to be free anyway?
It's a sad story. I had an "acquaintance" stealing power from me on a rental house as he plugged in to my outlet and ran a power cord across the street to his house where the power was out because he found out electricity wasn't supposed to be free.
After I pulled the plug on him, he came back over to my property and wired upstream of the meter. He still hadn't figured out electricity wasn't supposed to be free.
After I called the sheriff and power company on him, he started to get the idea that at least power from my house across the street wasn't going to be free.
After that he tried to wire into another neighbor's power and almost electrocuted himself.
Too bad it was almost.
Now, what were you saying about power supposed to be free and someone stole your money and you got the clap?
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how bout I set up some solar panels and tell the electric co to go fuck themselves, eh?
or set up a windmill
or damn a small river
as soon as I get some land, I'll do all this.
but people like the electric co keep robbing me of the necessary capital I need to buy land.
not to mention the fact that my landlord doesn't fulfill his contractual obligation to keep my AC system running properly and efficiently. This month I have a $180 electric bill. On a 1 bedroom apartment!
something tells me the electric company and my landlord may be in cahoots. By keeping everyone's AC inefficient, they force us to use more electricity.
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Re: America's broke [Re: DoctorJ]
#5780595 - 06/22/06 02:05 PM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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I got a bid on a 3kw solar system that you can use for power if the sun is out (that exludes 12 hours or more most days) and if you don't use it to heat or run an air conditioner, and use it on a small TV and hopefully your fridge at night when the limited batteries are the only power available. The cost installed was "only" $ 25,000 as I was told that was a "good" install price by other contractors.
If you are tied into the grid, the power company allows you to run your meter backwards so that your bill is reduced by the amount you generate from the solar electric photovoltaic systme but the power company is NOT obligated to buy any excess power (not that there could ever be any anyway). In effect, they agree to let you use them as a battery during times you don't need the power.
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yeah, I know all that.
problem is, I'm still saving to buy that land. Once I have some land with no deed restrictions, I will build a fortress that extends to both underground, and the sky. Probably even get my own satellite, too. And a launchpad for space missions.
and I'll have militia guys with atv's and helicopters all patrollin my shit to keep the unbelievers out. And I'll have an armoury full of guns and mortars, and a secret magic room that only I can access by walking through 10' thick stone walls. And I'll even have a court jester and magician. And concubines. Lots of concubines.
anyway, thats mah plan. First you get the money, then you get the power, then you get the women.
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Re: America's broke [Re: DoctorJ]
#5780613 - 06/22/06 02:12 PM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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Then the women rightfully take all the money and power you once had.
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not if I behead them for their insolence first.
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