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Re: America's broke [Re: Veritas]
#5761054 - 06/17/06 04:30 PM (17 years, 9 months ago) |
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Those who value intellect, freedom, spiritualism, or even nationalism, seem to be outweighed by a horde of, ironically, sexually repressed hedonists.
The practice of pseudo-Hedonism, wherein one indulges in material excess, but derives no real pleasure from the experience, is a natural outgrowth of sexual repression. Freud had that much right.
Actually, Freud accurately predicted modern society as the inevitable result of sexual repression. When the libido is denied healthy expression, it seeks other, darker avenues. Violence, overeating (and consequent obesity), workaholism, alcoholism, and "conspicuous consumption" are all the shadow-expressions of the libido.
True hedonism is not practiced through overindulgence, but moderation. The greatest pleasure is in full appreciation of the sensual and mental experiences available to us. When you immerse yourself in an experience, you do not crave more and more and more, but reach satiation. The pseudo-hedonist simultaneously pursues and rejects pleasure, and thus is never satiated.
Very good post Veritas.
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Re: America's broke [Re: Silversoul]
#5761074 - 06/17/06 04:38 PM (17 years, 9 months ago) |
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Hedonism is the path to least resistance, meaning less effort and low values are the path of many Americans, yes we are victims of our own evolution of technological advancements, we have become lazy and dependent of the comforts and luxury of technology, creating a deprecating life style, we're also victims of the "information boom", having access to entertaining volumes of outlooks and philosophies that justify our values to the path of least resistance, much of it is impractical wishful thinking and redundance that undermine effort, the devoided spirit of America is our own doing due to rapid change, this short sightedness has led us astray from the fundamentals, we become codependent to obscure concepts and vices that erode our vital energy of growth due to the fear of change derived from isolation provided by the easiness of technology, I'd say to fix it is to align our education to this rapid change and give awareness..
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Re: America's broke [Re: capliberty]
#5761175 - 06/17/06 05:07 PM (17 years, 9 months ago) |
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capliberty said: Hedonism is the path to least resistance
Please elaborate. What are you referring to when you use the term "hedonism"? I am trying to realize what relation a concept of hedonism has with the path of least resistance.
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Hedonists are apt to choose pleasure first and foremost, this is a realitve term, but hedonism is usually refered to seeking pleasure even at the expense of exercising good judgement, which is what the path of least resistence is, people who tend to follow a path that rewards easiness and pleasure in the short run, and are detracted from hardwork and effort that provide substancial longterm rewards.
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Re: America's broke [Re: capliberty]
#5763805 - 06/18/06 10:00 AM (17 years, 9 months ago) |
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I think you are confusing hedonism with laziness and apathy.
The qualities of the practitioners of any philosophy do not compromise or compose the philosophy itself. Just as you could point to apathetic Christians or psychotic Muslims or self-loathing Buddhists, it is always possible to find a self-described Hedonist who is incapable of applying the philosophy to their actions.
Hedonism (in the most general terms) considers the ratio of pleasure to pain when choosing any course of action.
Short-term rewards are fine, so long as they do not compromise pleasure or cause pain in the long run. Altruistic hedonism considers whether the action will produce pleasure or cause pain for everyone involved. Several schools of thought on hedonism state that there are qualitatively different pleasures, and that producing or maintaining higher level pleasures is a greater "good" than producing lower level pleasures.
When examining the surface, it is easy to confuse escapist pleasure-seeking behaviors with a philosophy which regards pleasure as the greatest good. Look a little deeper, and you see that the desperate grasping at shallow, short-term gratification is the expression of mental illness, and not the practice of hedonism.
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Re: America's broke [Re: Veritas]
#5763834 - 06/18/06 10:07 AM (17 years, 9 months ago) |
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Re: America's broke [Re: Veritas]
#5763892 - 06/18/06 10:23 AM (17 years, 9 months ago) |
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-------------------- "Don't believe everything you think". -Anom. " All that lives was born to die"-Anom. With much wisdom comes much sorrow, The more knowledge, the more grief. Ecclesiastes circa 350 BC
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Re: America's broke [Re: Icelander]
#5763918 - 06/18/06 10:28 AM (17 years, 9 months ago) |
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Aren't we all so great? Aren't humans the coolest?
lets all keep sucking eachother's dicks just prove how great we are!
Lets all throw a big party for all the grueling work we've done to improve the world!
Wait, what? The world is falling apart? People are starving because of our over-indulgences?
shut up! Shut that guy up! He's nothing but a pessimist satan worshipper who wants to hurt everyone!
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LunarEclipse said: No wonder America is broke with deadbeat thieves like you stealing electric from the power company. I hope you electrocute yourself the next time you try to connect for free. Instant Karma gonna get you.
Zap.
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Re: America's broke [Re: DoctorJ]
#5763999 - 06/18/06 10:53 AM (17 years, 9 months ago) |
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Re: America's broke [Re: Veritas]
#5764015 - 06/18/06 11:00 AM (17 years, 9 months ago) |
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DoctorJ
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No wonder America is broke with deadbeat thieves like you stealing electric from the power company. I hope you electrocute yourself the next time you try to connect for free. Instant Karma gonna get you.
Instant Karma was fun, but she gave me the clap and then slept with my friends. So I was like, "Fuck this, I'm outta here."
Besides, I wouldn't have had to steal electricity if SOMEONE hadn't stolen all my cash.
Besides, isn't electricity supposed to be free anyway?
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Re: America's broke [Re: Veritas]
#5764023 - 06/18/06 11:06 AM (17 years, 9 months ago) |
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Veritas said: http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Cat/0/Number/5762646/an/0/page/0
thought you had me on ignore, wussbag.
tell me what sin have I committed that wasn't a reaction to sins committed against me?
by the way, you're a whore, and your cat works for me. It's a spy camera.
Sleep tight
edit: oh yeah, one more thing: Silversoul is cool and all, but he's also a huge posuer. Here, I started the exact same thread several weeks before him, and it was much more eloquently written as well: http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat...rue#Post5609967
Edited by DoctorJ (06/18/06 11:09 AM)
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Re: America's broke [Re: DoctorJ]
#5764081 - 06/18/06 11:32 AM (17 years, 9 months ago) |
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Once again this small distorted mind shows it's worth.
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Re: America's broke [Re: Icelander]
#5764103 - 06/18/06 11:40 AM (17 years, 9 months ago) |
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It doesn't show it at all if you have it on ignore. I'd suggest stop exposing yourself to drivel.
Peace.
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Re: America's broke [Re: Icelander]
#5764114 - 06/18/06 11:49 AM (17 years, 9 months ago) |
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I see defensive insults but I don't see the answers to any of my questions.
You could try to logically challenge my arguments instead of attacking me personally. But I guess you don't have the mind for that. I present a theory and instead of discussing it like grown adults, you mock me and try to drag me into your silly name-calling games.
seriously, guys. this is you. this is what you sound like:
"Takes one to know one, nanny nanny boo-boo."
I'm freakin half you guys' age and you all seem like children to me. Seriously, grow up.
You can ignore me if you want. Don't think you'll like the ultimate ramifications of said ignorance, though.
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Re: America's broke [Re: DoctorJ]
#5764170 - 06/18/06 12:13 PM (17 years, 9 months ago) |
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Seems like you calling someone a whore is the insult. You always resort to this behavior when you are threatened.
So how do you justify going on the defensive and say people are insulting you. I think your mental illness is showing again.
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Re: America's broke [Re: Icelander]
#5764201 - 06/18/06 12:30 PM (17 years, 9 months ago) |
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calling her a whore isn't an insult. Its a statement of fact
you are such a massive hypocrite, dude. You drag me into this shit and then call me smelly.
sometimes you piss me off, but mostly you just make me laugh.
I could always use a good laugh, thats why I don't have you on ignore.
ignore is for people who are afraid of the opinions of others. I ain't afraid of nothin, brah. You wanna test it, come bring it on. Or are YOU scared?
bok bok bok bok... chicken!
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Re: America's broke [Re: DoctorJ]
#5764214 - 06/18/06 12:34 PM (17 years, 9 months ago) |
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Both you guys make me laugh with your arrogant posturing and childish name-calling. Give it a rest, guys.
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Re: America's broke [Re: Silversoul]
#5764221 - 06/18/06 12:38 PM (17 years, 9 months ago) |
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I'll stop when everyone else does.
"For every action, there is an equal and opposite reaction."
stop hitting yourself!
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