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    #5757073 - 06/16/06 11:58 AM (17 years, 7 months ago)

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Re: Pushing through hell to get to heaven [Re: soulcircus]
    #5757290 - 06/16/06 01:17 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

NO.


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Re: Pushing through hell to get to heaven [Re: soulcircus]
    #5757320 - 06/16/06 01:23 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

the bottom of the ocean, or the top of the heavens
the view is the same

keep pushing and you might find something pushing back


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Re: Pushing through hell to get to heaven *DELETED* [Re: Cherk]
    #5757330 - 06/16/06 01:26 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

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Re: Pushing through hell to get to heaven [Re: soulcircus]
    #5757371 - 06/16/06 01:34 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

by being





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Re: Pushing through hell to get to heaven [Re: soulcircus]
    #5757414 - 06/16/06 01:47 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

Is there a difference?

The purpose of spirituality is complete self-realization.

With self-realization your breath is the incinerator of your suffering. You breath as long as you suffer and suffer as long as you breath.

Reach critical mass and then watching things fall into place, give a hug.

not a fuck


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Re: Pushing through hell to get to heaven [Re: soulcircus]
    #5757422 - 06/16/06 01:50 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

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but when can one tell if hes pushing through hell or suffering becasue something needs to be solved?




Something always needs to be solved one way or another. Life is pushing for growth and that means struggle.


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Re: Pushing through hell to get to heaven [Re: Icelander]
    #5757486 - 06/16/06 02:03 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

life as evolution will always be pushing
life as fruit of evolution will always be pulling

pushing and pulling at the same time and nothing happens

pulling entails struggle, many things in life's wake slow you down
pushing entails work, existence is a heavy thing to carry on our shoulders

god will meet us half way and take a load off of our shoulders


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Re: Pushing through hell to get to heaven [Re: Cherk]
    #5757512 - 06/16/06 02:11 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

unless we dont want him to because we enjoy the load too much


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Re: Pushing through hell to get to heaven [Re: TheGus]
    #5757523 - 06/16/06 02:15 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

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unless we dont want him to because we enjoy the load too much




I should have said THE load. If you are human you will reach a point where the load is too heavy to carry it alone, this point is conception. This is family.


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Re: Pushing through hell to get to heaven [Re: Cherk]
    #5757652 - 06/16/06 02:47 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

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Smoker For Peace said:
life as evolution will always be pushing
life as fruit of evolution will always be pulling

pushing and pulling at the same time and nothing happens

pulling entails struggle, many things in life's wake slow you down
pushing entails work, existence is a heavy thing to carry on our shoulders

god will meet us half way and take a load off of our shoulders




Never found that God will do this and God will do that shit to be true at all. People just like to pretend they know what "God" will do. :tongue:


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Re: Pushing through hell to get to heaven [Re: Icelander]
    #5757672 - 06/16/06 02:57 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

God is our highest potential.......


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Re: Pushing through hell to get to heaven [Re: Icelander]
    #5757705 - 06/16/06 03:13 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

He could've left the word God out and just talked about the forces that be and related what he said to John Nash's theory of Equilibrium, which he won a Nobel Prize for.

Taking it to a different view, pressure systems like with the weather create push pulls. When the pressure is equalized, there is no push or pull and nothing to resist, so no struggling with anything.

Like when we feel under pressure mentally and emotionally, being pulled and pushed this way and that, the inner pressure is not equalize with the eternal pressure.

Like being at a party where everyone is happy and laughing, and you feel like shit, and put up resistance to their merriment. You even feel pressure to "lighten up". Well, if you did lighten up along with the rest of the crowed, the inner and outer pressure would be equalized, and being at the party wouldn;t feel like such struggle anymore or something you have to resists to maintain your own current pressure level.

Or look at the going with the flow adage. Say you are in a river and its easy when you float along with the current. If you don;t want to go where its headed, you start pushing against the current and resisting it to keep your place. That can be a struggle and soo, you'll be swept down stream anyway when you grow tired.

So people say, just let go and go with the flow. Well, what of the flow is taking you to a massive waterfall that will drop your ass a 1,000 feet and pummel you to death at the bottom.

Some times, the rivers and currents we find ourselves floating in, don;t lead to any place good.

When we see what is up ahead and it sucks, we don't have to resist and struggle with the current. We can just swim side ways and climb up the bank and get out of that river.

Because time is experienced to be linear we think things can just move forward or backward. When you find yourself in an energy current, pulling you forward and pushing you from the back, and you don't like where you see it heading, nor care to struggle with it, you can just step sideways out of it to find relief and head in a different direction.

It'll pass by with or without us. :wink:

Going with the flow of a river current is nice and ideal, when the stream is a pleasant flow taking you to a beautiful lake of tranquility.

You have to know where you want life to take you and then, find the river that gets you there safely. Once you do that, you can hop in and go with the flow and take it easy.

There are some nasty ass rivers to get ourselves caught up in, out there leading to nothing but danger. If you find yourself in one, no need to struggle with it, just step out of it sideways and watch it pass by you......... :cool:

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Re: Pushing through hell to get to heaven [Re: leery11]
    #5757709 - 06/16/06 03:14 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

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God is our highest potential.......




God is your highest potential. I strive for more. :mushroom2:


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Re: Pushing through hell to get to heaven [Re: Icelander]
    #5757812 - 06/16/06 03:54 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

then we have a difference in languages, where God = absolute, and beyond the mere conception and word itself.

Tao as Tao, not Tao as Tao.


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Re: Pushing through hell to get to heaven [Re: leery11]
    #5757857 - 06/16/06 04:02 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

there is a part of simplicity and peace in over lifes.
we leave that one day, so we could, in future, come back to it...


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Re: Pushing through hell to get to heaven [Re: leery11]
    #5757861 - 06/16/06 04:03 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

Don't know. When you and others talk God and you make definitive statements about what "he" says or means or thinks I know for sure we aren't talking about the same thing.


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Re: Pushing through hell to get to heaven [Re: Icelander]
    #5757986 - 06/16/06 04:30 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

yeah i suppose so.

I don't know much of anything about God, just that I'd like to find lasting peace.


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Om Namah Shivaya, I tell you What!


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Re: Pushing through hell to get to heaven [Re: leery11]
    #5758000 - 06/16/06 04:35 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

You don't need God for that IMO. You need to reprogram yourself. That takes guts and determination... and power. :mushroom2:


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Re: Pushing through hell to get to heaven [Re: gettinjiggywithit]
    #5759629 - 06/17/06 02:17 AM (17 years, 7 months ago)

very nice allegory, jiggy ! :thumbup:
One thing for the pressure-systems: If they work like in diving, then they work like the opposite of the linear movement system.
If one wanna change his 'altitude' , only a little impulse in this direction is required and then pressure works its own way by accelerating more and more. You constantly have to 'break' to not to shoot over the line of your goal and end in a deadly extreme (bottom of the sea or popping out the surface).

panta rei, all is flowing and if you flow along the (right) stream for a while, you will become that stream yourself.

:heart:


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Re: Pushing through hell to get to heaven [Re: BlueCoyote]
    #5759846 - 06/17/06 06:10 AM (17 years, 7 months ago)

Its a lie, we're allready in heaven.

Blame Hoffman.


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