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IF 'you' ... Then 'you' ...
    #5753499 - 06/15/06 12:55 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

if you seek perfection, how can you be perfect?
if you seek to get rich, must you not be poor?

just being curious..
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Re: IF 'you' ... Then 'you' ... [Re: Gomp]
    #5753692 - 06/15/06 01:56 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

If you seek to get rich then you are lacking in whatever you are seeking.


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Re: IF 'you' ... Then 'you' ... [Re: Corporal Kielbasa]
    #5753707 - 06/15/06 02:00 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

Quote:

Corporal Kielbasa said:
If you seek to get rich then you are lacking in whatever you are seeking.




yeah... money


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Re: IF 'you' ... Then 'you' ... [Re: OJK]
    #5753725 - 06/15/06 02:05 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

mm yeah money :moneyeyes:


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Re: IF 'you' ... Then 'you' ... [Re: Gomp]
    #5753819 - 06/15/06 02:29 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

Perspective is relative and so it is you are looking at the spiritual or material.

If you see perfection on crooked rotting teeth, then they are in need of nothing.

If you see perfection in the tormented and anguished soul then there is nothing to transform.

If you see no need to fix a leaky roof, and weak dislodged foundation in your home, then you have all the money you need for it as it is.

If you see no need to fix energy drains in your life and a fear based crooked moral foundation, then you have all the spiritual wealth for your souls vitality as it is.

Here's the way I see it. If you are truly going to accept something as it is, don't complain about it, deny or hate it.

If you are complaining about something as if its a problem, that you have been denying, ignoring and hating, change it until you get to what is acceptable to you.

Here's the thing for me. Sure, acceptance is a wonderful energy state. It's the equivalent of unconditional love and forgiveness energy. Applying it is the quickest way to resolve inner conflict and restore peace within the self.

At the same time, ON TOP OF THAT, here we are, in the physical manifesting the spirit and in spirit manifesting the physical.

What else is there to do with eternal time but create, explore and discover?

If you get to a point where you say to yourself, "Everything is perfect as it is and I understand it all, nothing left to explore, discover, realize or innovate. I am done now, then what do you do with the rest of ETERNITY?

What do you do with the rest of your life here and now?

I am aware that there are those who believe, we can say, "I am done now and am ready for eternal nothing". :shrug:

The way I understand it now, becoming aware of ourselves as co-creative beings with the one is just when the celebration of the gift our our existence begins.

We are more and more now coming into awareness of our power to create and effect realities. We are realizing how we do it, and why we create the ones we do, and that we can recreate anything and change it around as we change.

Why be at the point where you are ready to return to nothing, when you just start realizing your power to return a smile to a sad face, to touch a heart with warmth that was frozen over, to build bridges between loved ones isolated from each other.

I accept that in this world there is sadness, cold heartedness, and people living in isolation and separation. These things are really experienced and witnessed on this plane of existence anyway.

At the same time, I don't have to find it acceptable where and when, I can use my co-creative intelligence and energy to expand such things into places of greater fulfillment.

Why do you think Jesus said things like "While the blind who have faith in me wish to see again, they will and while the lame who have faith in me wish to walk again, they will rise and walk with me."

Of course that was metaphor for the blind in ignorance and darkness of spiritual light, and those crippled and disabled being to lamed by the physical to rise up in Spirit.

Those states of being were not acceptable to him nor anywhere near perfect, yet he was one of the most accepting, understanding, giving, unconditionally loving, compassionate and forgiving of people AT THE SAME TIME.

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if you seek perfection, how can you be perfect?




I'll tell you how, the perfect within will seek to restore the imperfect back to its true state and only perfect within can know and recognize what isn't when they see it.

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if you seek to get rich, must you not be poor?




No, the wealth within will seek to restore the impoverished back to their true state and only wealth within can know and recognize was is without it.

Only when you can see the wealth and perfection of the divine within, are you then able to restore it in what is without. You won't catch anyone looking for spiritual wealth or perfection to manifest in their physical lives who have not already seen it within.



Seeking ........ See King

Those seeking perfection and wealth in spirit are seeking to restore the King and Kingdom (Divine) where it has been lost and forgotten.

Seeking can be the action word for the process of restoring Divine truth. Once you've begin restoring, your house and kingdom to perfection with your inherent wealth, you then know how to help others who are seeking to do the same. The seeking from where I sit never ends. Seekers help each other see-king.

Those not seeking seeing-king, believe there is nothing to be sought and they will naturally get nothing in return and remain left outside of the kingdom. There choice. So be it. The seekers will keep seeking.

If you think spirit in the physical is perfect and wealthy as it is, something you picked up along the way was taken out of context or misunderstood.

If it was there truly being realized, there would be no one left in this world, crying out for help through their actions, praying for something or someone to show them the way out of their darkness and lonely isolation. There is a lot of suffering out there and souls out in the cold of darkness.

If you call that a spiritually wealthy and perfect state to be in, or deny those in it, I'm a going to ask you if you are high on crack my love.

The seeking seeking to manifest wealth in any form do so because the know they know the wealth within.

The seeking seeking to manifest perfection in any form do so because they know the perfection within.

And because they know the perfection and wealth intimately, they also know the perfection of acceptance, unconditional love, compassion, understanding and forgiveness. Those seeking to bring more of it to themselves and others can do so because they can afford it from the wealth within, not because they are poor and imperfect in spirit.

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Re: IF 'you' ... Then 'you' ... [Re: gettinjiggywithit]
    #5753997 - 06/15/06 03:35 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

Semantics, ..

I mean literally..

"IF you want to become, what you see you as not being, .. then you must see you as it [being], to be[come].."
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Re: IF 'you' ... Then 'you' ... [Re: Gomp]
    #5754077 - 06/15/06 04:02 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

Then literally, it's still relative. People with 10 mil in the bank are found to say they live like poor dogs and work to make more. Are they financial poor with 10 million in the bank?


Tyra Banks looks in the mirror and sees many flaws with herself. Is she laden with so many imperfections being a top super model that looks so good she doesn't look real? Hardley.

It's relative.

Is there something wrong with financially poor people looking to increase their positive cash flow, even if its to share it with others?

Is their something wrong with imperfect people looking to make positive change?

Should an impoverished person stay that way so they do not have to admit or face the fact dey is broke, via seeking mo money? Or should they slip into the delusion they have a huge literal bank account so they can justify their laziness?

Should a person with imperfectly working car breaks not fix them so they don't have to face or take action with the fact that there car is a hazard to themselves and others. I prefer to keep my car breaks working perfectly myself.

Are you looking for some wisdom that supports perpetual lazy inactivity that results in nothing new or worse apathy?

Another forum member will have to help you out with that search. You won't find it from me.

The Divine I know stays on the move ever changing, growing and becoming something new from out of the what just is. That's why no one can pin it down to prove it exists. :wink: The minute you think you have it in your grasp, it slips through and becomes something else.

Now, we all know who loves to find an idle soul with nothing constructive or productive to do. :satan:

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Re: IF 'you' ... Then 'you' ... [Re: gettinjiggywithit]
    #5756501 - 06/16/06 08:07 AM (17 years, 7 months ago)

..how can one seek to become, what one [Already, from before.] are/is?

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Re: IF 'you' ... Then 'you' ... [Re: Gomp]
    #5756581 - 06/16/06 08:45 AM (17 years, 7 months ago)

By fucking kidding yourself.


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Re: IF 'you' ... Then 'you' ... [Re: Gomp]
    #5757197 - 06/16/06 12:52 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

Quote:

Gomp said:
..how can one seek to become, what one [Already, from before.] are/is?

:laugh:




In what state are they that though? In the ethereal, in the simultaneous instant of all time? In the Oneness of all spirit? In the realms of pure imagination, sure, we are already everything.


So what?

Now what?

Here's what I see you saying. In those states, you have already invented the shnizile. A wondrous marvel indeed. Great! :laugh:

Where is it? Can you produce it here? Can you put it to use here? If not, what does your doing it elsewhere mean to anything or anyone here?

Nothing.

Did you really become the inventor of it then? Not yet.

Slaphappy, do you remember the post you put up exclaiming your frustration for not having bridges to communicate or relate with gomp?

Should I dig it up? He's a billion light years away from here.

Why does he have to bother finding a way for you to relate to him and he to you? He already did that where he is at. Nothing left to be done because its already been done.

Why should he bother doing anything?

You had half of the truth when you answered his question-

"by kidding yourself"

Sure, from where gomp is coming from, everybody around him, acting to become here, what they already are there, is kidding themselves.

From here, anybody saying they already are what they dream to be, that hasn't materialized it is just kidding themselves of truly being that.

Both are half truths.

Go ahead and try to get a mortgage loan by telling the bank you have ten million dollars in fantasy land, yet nothing on this planet but your sweet smile and a heart of gold and no plan to action with to produce income.

Do you get the home loan? No! You get Nothing.

Who's kidding who?

Without the action of becoming here from out of nothing, we remain with nothing.

Sure, everything comes from out of nothing, (a dream) as you said in another post about your new beginning. You will always remain at nothing until things start moving, until action is taking place to turn nothing into something, here in physicality on planet earth anyway.

As far as I am concerned, anyone from either side is kidding themselves until they can ground out the dream and make it a reality here.

I've spent much time where Gomp is, in la la la land. Awesome place to be. While there, the life around you and your body deteriorates due to lack of attention and real action taking place. While there, you are a trillion light years away from here and no one in your life can reach you, nor you them.

You're no greater then a ghost in that state.

If action isn't taken to bring the wonders of there to here, why bother with even being here? Thats the conclusion many come to and quickly or slowly kill themselves.

What good is believing you already are the person who founded a home for runaway teens if you don't have a plan of action to make it so?

You can sit on your ass believing you are helping all of these kids screwed by life, feeling all content with yourself.

You may even have moments where it dawns on you, you really aren't helping a soul here and you don't even care. Why? Because with the above logic, those kids have no need to seek a safe home, food and adult guidance, they already have it all.

:crazy: :crazy: :crazy: :crazy: :crazy: :crazy: :crazy:

Sure, in your dreams they do.

Next time a friend calls asking you for a ride to Joe's party, tell him this, "You don't need to be seeking transportation to come to Joe's party with us. :smile: You are already there :smile:"

Oh, and don't forget to say "la la la la la la" before you hang up on him. :thumbup:

Live in la la la land exclusively, take no action to really become something because you and everyone else are already everything. Be my guest at being exclusively nothing while being everything. No one is stopping anyone from doing that. Maybe if more chose to do that we could all just be sitting around drooling and fade away.................

Or I know, we can not take action to ground the other planes all out here because "we already did it, and in the mean time, we can drown out all of the flurry of hyper ACTIVE mental activity taking place with alcohol instead.

We can just wither away to a skin and bones and take no action to become healthy because we already have healthy bodies at healthy functioning weights, in la la land.

Damn right somebody is kidding themselves here about not needing to take action and I suggest you go pay your friend gomp a real visit(since you live close) to find out who is.

This logic of his that you are supporting is causing the massive deterioration of his body, brain cells, health and life here.

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Re: IF 'you' ... Then 'you' ... [Re: gettinjiggywithit]
    #5757900 - 06/16/06 04:09 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

""In what state are they that though? In the ethereal, in the simultaneous instant of all time? In the Oneness of all spirit? In the realms of pure imagination, sure, we are already everything.""

In our/a reality!?


If you look for you glasses.. while having them on your head, you will not find them, before you realize that you already have them..

If you got a lighter in your hand, and you start looking for it, you again will not find it, before you see that you got it..


It is just the same thing..

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Re: IF 'you' ... Then 'you' ... [Re: Gomp]
    #5758600 - 06/16/06 08:18 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

Thats fine and dandy and true if you are living outside of the space time boundaries and physicality, or if you are really in physicality and really have a lighter in your hand or really have glasses on your head and were just spacing out, thinking you needed to find them.

When I talked in those terms at first, you corrected me and said you were being literal.

If it's literal and holds true in physicality then post a car title for Ferrari and  Deed to a Chateau in France, and receipt for a $10 million donation to a children's charity with YOU'RE name on them. Should be easy to do since you say, you already have everything and need to seek nothing.

Sure, what you are saying works in lucid dreaming at the snap of a finger. If you got it to work for you here in 3-D physicality, post a picture of 500 watermelons in your living room.

I wish it did work here like that. I really do.

Tis true, you can be anything, have anything and be anywhere with just shift into the imagination realms where day dreams take place.

Tis true, believing that you have the potential for something to be made so is the first step before action is taken place to really truly make it so. I'm not knocking that. Some of us are having some neat hits with speeding up manifesting time here as well, some of it effortless.

Once, my mom said she was thinking, a hanging planter would look good in a certain spot on the patio. Ten minutes later, my brother stopped by with one as gift , to thank her for helping him out with something. Same color of flower she was going to get too.

If you figured out how to speed up the manifestation of every thought we have to instantaneous speed, and without our having to take any action beyond that, fill us in on the magic formula please, thank you.  :smile:

:japsmile:

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Re: IF 'you' ... Then 'you' ... [Re: gettinjiggywithit]
    #5758620 - 06/16/06 08:26 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

Only you can correct you..


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Re: IF 'you' ... Then 'you' ... [Re: Gomp]
    #5758652 - 06/16/06 08:36 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

:lol:

Here's your reply to my first one

Quote:

Semantics, ..

I mean literally..




If you meant this literally then I switched to literal discussion so we could fully connect and understand each other. Indeed, I chose to correct myself to get on the same wavelength with you.

And now, you are back to figurative speach I guess. :foreheadslap:

:crazy2: :crazy2: :crazy2: :crazy2: :crazy2: :crazy2:

Much love to you gomp! :wink:

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Re: IF 'you' ... Then 'you' ... [Re: gettinjiggywithit]
    #5759724 - 06/17/06 03:40 AM (17 years, 7 months ago)

Take a second, now, .. What are you talking about?

I say: if you seek perfection, how can you be perfect? 

Then you say; Perspective is relative ...

Then, I say; It is a 'metaphor', not to be taken literally, so I switch to use a metaphor, that you can take literally.. And, it will still be a metaphor, as well.. saying: "If you look for you glasses.. while having them on your head, you will not find them, before you realize that you already have them.."


What ever you are talking about, I see nothing here but that confusion, ..


Please specify if you are going to talk about something else, or start an other topic..

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Re: IF 'you' ... Then 'you' ... [Re: Gomp]
    #5759837 - 06/17/06 05:56 AM (17 years, 7 months ago)

gettingjiggywithit, you are right in every aspect of every word.


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