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Carjackers Kill Baby, Steal Family's Car
#5753454 - 06/15/06 12:36 PM (17 years, 11 months ago) |
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Carjackers Kill Baby, Steal Family's Car
Child Dies One Day Before 2nd Birthday

HOUSTON -- A baby died after two men who carjacked her parents drove over her, Houston TV station KPRC reported Wednesday.
Officials said the family stopped at a car wash at about 10:50 p.m. Tuesday to use a telephone. Police said two armed men tried to rob the father and mother.
"While the father was out using the pay phone, two black males approached him and demanded money from the father and the mother," Sgt. C.W. Howard said. "They were unable to produce any money, so the suspects then decided to take their vehicle."
The men pulled the four children, between the ages of 2 and 6, out of the vehicle quickly.
"They brutally pulled these kids and threw them out onto the pavement of the car wash," Sgt. David Crain said.
Investigators said Stephanie Garcia was in front of the vehicle when the men took off.
Officials said the men ran over the girl and kept going.
Stephanie died at Lyndon B. Johnson Hospital.
Family members said Stephanie was one day shy of her second birthday when she died. Relatives said family members had already sent out invitations to her party.
Police said they found the family's 1993 Chevrolet Suburban abandoned about five miles from where the child was killed. They are searching the vehicle for evidence.
Investigators released composite sketches Wednesday afternoon of the two men.
Composite sketches were released of the carjacking suspects.
The first man is described as a black male with short, curly black hair, 25 to 28 years old, 5 feet 8 inches to 5 feet 10 inches tall, 160 to 170 pounds with a slim build. He was last seen wearing a dark blue baseball cap, white T-shirt and blue pants.
Police described the second man as a black male with short black hair, 24 to 25 years old, 5 feet 5 inches to 5 feet 7 inches tall, 140 to 150 pounds with a heavy build. He was last seen wearing a red baseball cap, short-sleeved white Polo shirt pulled over another shirt, baggy black pants and white tennis shoes.
Both remain on the loose.
Anyone with information on this case is asked to call Houston police at (713) 308-3600.
http://www.theindychannel.com/news/9376075/detail.html
Thankfully Texas has the Death Penalty.
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Edited by lonestar2004 (06/15/06 12:39 PM)
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Re: Carjackers Kill Baby, Steal Family's Car [Re: lonestar2004]
#5753471 - 06/15/06 12:42 PM (17 years, 11 months ago) |
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lonestar2004 said: Thankfully Texas has the Death Penalty.
Will the death penalty bring the child back? Will it make the family forget their grief? Will it stop them from being haunted by the incident? One thing I know for sure: it wasn't a deterrent for the people who did this.
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Re: Carjackers Kill Baby, Steal Family's Car [Re: lonestar2004]
#5753521 - 06/15/06 01:03 PM (17 years, 11 months ago) |
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Thankfully Texas has the Death Penalty.
doesn't seem to have deterred these guys.
maybe more of these would:
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Re: Carjackers Kill Baby, Steal Family's Car [Re: Silversoul]
#5753523 - 06/15/06 01:04 PM (17 years, 11 months ago) |
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Silversoul said:
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lonestar2004 said: Thankfully Texas has the Death Penalty.
Will the death penalty bring the child back? Will it make the family forget their grief? Will it stop them from being haunted by the incident? One thing I know for sure: it wasn't a deterrent for the people who did this.
Words cannot describe what I want done with these animals.
Maybe you can have a Candlelight Vigil for them when they FRY.
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Re: Carjackers Kill Baby, Steal Family's Car [Re: wilshire]
#5753530 - 06/15/06 01:06 PM (17 years, 11 months ago) |
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When lynching died out, so did deterrent.
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Re: Carjackers Kill Baby, Steal Family's Car [Re: lonestar2004]
#5753533 - 06/15/06 01:06 PM (17 years, 11 months ago) |
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so, you believe in state-sanctioned revenge?
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Re: Carjackers Kill Baby, Steal Family's Car [Re: Vvellum]
#5753545 - 06/15/06 01:11 PM (17 years, 11 months ago) |
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bi0 said: so, you believe in state-sanctioned revenge?
I believe in Natural Consequences.
The punishment should equal the crime.
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Re: Carjackers Kill Baby, Steal Family's Car [Re: lonestar2004]
#5753571 - 06/15/06 01:21 PM (17 years, 11 months ago) |
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The punishment should equal the crime.
revenge is not defensive and so is not in itself a justifiable use of force.
if the death penalty serves no demonstratable deterrent effect, it is not justified.
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Re: Carjackers Kill Baby, Steal Family's Car [Re: lonestar2004]
#5753576 - 06/15/06 01:23 PM (17 years, 11 months ago) |
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I don't think the death penalty should apply here. If those men are caught, the following should happen: 1. Testicles placed on anvil and smashed with a sledgehammer 2. Fingernails ripped off 3. Ears, fingers and toes cut off. 4. Recovery time and medical treatment. 5. Skin peeled off the body. Perhaps with a caustic chemical. 6. Throw them in a box with bullet ants 7. Toss in a box jellyfish 8. More medical treatment and recovery time 9. Break all of their bones, reset them. 10. More recovery time. 11. Saw off an inch or two of the leg with a dull rusty saw, make sure you use a tourniquet to prevent blood loss. 12. Again recovery. 13. Repeat until there is nothing left.
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Re: Carjackers Kill Baby, Steal Family's Car [Re: lonestar2004]
#5753592 - 06/15/06 01:29 PM (17 years, 11 months ago) |
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please explain what you mean by "Natural Consequences".
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Re: Carjackers Kill Baby, Steal Family's Car [Re: wilshire]
#5753599 - 06/15/06 01:31 PM (17 years, 11 months ago) |
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The deterrent effect on those executed is absolute.
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Re: Carjackers Kill Baby, Steal Family's Car [Re: Vvellum]
#5753633 - 06/15/06 01:41 PM (17 years, 11 months ago) |
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bi0 said: please explain what you mean by "Natural Consequences".
I use to preach Natural consequences when I worked with kids at camp. For example if you put your finger in a electric socket, you get a shock.
If we caught a kid stealing food, he would not get supper. If they won't turn the music down, they lose the stereo.
The punishment fits the crime, (natural consequences) kinda like the real world. If you don't show up for work, you don't get paid. If you go over the speed limit, you get a ticket.
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Re: Carjackers Kill Baby, Steal Family's Car [Re: lonestar2004]
#5753787 - 06/15/06 02:22 PM (17 years, 11 months ago) |
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everything you describe is simple a lesson. if you do A, you will get B. gotcha.
now, if you execute someone, how do they learn the lesson?
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Re: Carjackers Kill Baby, Steal Family's Car [Re: Vvellum]
#5754082 - 06/15/06 04:04 PM (17 years, 11 months ago) |
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That is why they should torture the living shit out of people like these assholes.
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Re: Carjackers Kill Baby, Steal Family's Car [Re: blacksabbathrulz]
#5754086 - 06/15/06 04:05 PM (17 years, 11 months ago) |
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No, they should be locked away where they can't harm anyone. Vengeance gets us nowhere.
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Re: Carjackers Kill Baby, Steal Family's Car [Re: Silversoul]
#5754094 - 06/15/06 04:06 PM (17 years, 11 months ago) |
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I bet you would see a lot less of people like these assholes if we hard harder punishments for murder. It saddens me that even if these guys are caught, and sentenced to death, they won't suffer tremendously.
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Re: Carjackers Kill Baby, Steal Family's Car [Re: blacksabbathrulz]
#5754111 - 06/15/06 04:11 PM (17 years, 11 months ago) |
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blacksabbathrulz said: I bet you would see a lot less of people like these assholes if we hard harder punishments for murder.
Then how come we have a higher murder rate than the countries that have abolished the death penalty? In fact, if you go back in time and look at the height of torture in Midaeval Europe, the crime rate was unimaginably higher than it is today.
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Re: Carjackers Kill Baby, Steal Family's Car [Re: blacksabbathrulz]
#5754185 - 06/15/06 04:40 PM (17 years, 11 months ago) |
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blacksabbathrulz said: That is why they should torture the living shit out of people like these assholes.
http://www.usconstitution.net/const.html#Am8
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Re: Carjackers Kill Baby, Steal Family's Car [Re: Vvellum]
#5754214 - 06/15/06 04:48 PM (17 years, 11 months ago) |
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It's pretty primitive to advocate murder and torture when it won't prevent future crimes.
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Re: Carjackers Kill Baby, Steal Family's Car [Re: Vvellum]
#5754215 - 06/15/06 04:48 PM (17 years, 11 months ago) |
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bi0 said:
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blacksabbathrulz said: That is why they should torture the living shit out of people like these assholes.
http://www.usconstitution.net/const.html#Am8
That should be repealed. Anyone convicted beyond a doubt of a violent crime should suffer a fate 10x worse IMO. There are too many low life pieces of shit in this country.
I also think any and all known gang members should be executed on sight.
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