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Carjackers Kill Baby, Steal Family's Car
#5753454 - 06/15/06 12:36 PM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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Carjackers Kill Baby, Steal Family's Car
Child Dies One Day Before 2nd Birthday

HOUSTON -- A baby died after two men who carjacked her parents drove over her, Houston TV station KPRC reported Wednesday.
Officials said the family stopped at a car wash at about 10:50 p.m. Tuesday to use a telephone. Police said two armed men tried to rob the father and mother.
"While the father was out using the pay phone, two black males approached him and demanded money from the father and the mother," Sgt. C.W. Howard said. "They were unable to produce any money, so the suspects then decided to take their vehicle."
The men pulled the four children, between the ages of 2 and 6, out of the vehicle quickly.
"They brutally pulled these kids and threw them out onto the pavement of the car wash," Sgt. David Crain said.
Investigators said Stephanie Garcia was in front of the vehicle when the men took off.
Officials said the men ran over the girl and kept going.
Stephanie died at Lyndon B. Johnson Hospital.
Family members said Stephanie was one day shy of her second birthday when she died. Relatives said family members had already sent out invitations to her party.
Police said they found the family's 1993 Chevrolet Suburban abandoned about five miles from where the child was killed. They are searching the vehicle for evidence.
Investigators released composite sketches Wednesday afternoon of the two men.
Composite sketches were released of the carjacking suspects.
The first man is described as a black male with short, curly black hair, 25 to 28 years old, 5 feet 8 inches to 5 feet 10 inches tall, 160 to 170 pounds with a slim build. He was last seen wearing a dark blue baseball cap, white T-shirt and blue pants.
Police described the second man as a black male with short black hair, 24 to 25 years old, 5 feet 5 inches to 5 feet 7 inches tall, 140 to 150 pounds with a heavy build. He was last seen wearing a red baseball cap, short-sleeved white Polo shirt pulled over another shirt, baggy black pants and white tennis shoes.
Both remain on the loose.
Anyone with information on this case is asked to call Houston police at (713) 308-3600.
http://www.theindychannel.com/news/9376075/detail.html
Thankfully Texas has the Death Penalty.
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Re: Carjackers Kill Baby, Steal Family's Car [Re: lonestar2004]
#5753471 - 06/15/06 12:42 PM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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lonestar2004 said: Thankfully Texas has the Death Penalty.
Will the death penalty bring the child back? Will it make the family forget their grief? Will it stop them from being haunted by the incident? One thing I know for sure: it wasn't a deterrent for the people who did this.
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Re: Carjackers Kill Baby, Steal Family's Car [Re: lonestar2004]
#5753521 - 06/15/06 01:03 PM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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Thankfully Texas has the Death Penalty.
doesn't seem to have deterred these guys.
maybe more of these would:
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Re: Carjackers Kill Baby, Steal Family's Car [Re: Silversoul]
#5753523 - 06/15/06 01:04 PM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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Silversoul said:
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lonestar2004 said: Thankfully Texas has the Death Penalty.
Will the death penalty bring the child back? Will it make the family forget their grief? Will it stop them from being haunted by the incident? One thing I know for sure: it wasn't a deterrent for the people who did this.
Words cannot describe what I want done with these animals.
Maybe you can have a Candlelight Vigil for them when they FRY.
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Re: Carjackers Kill Baby, Steal Family's Car [Re: wilshire]
#5753530 - 06/15/06 01:06 PM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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When lynching died out, so did deterrent.
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Re: Carjackers Kill Baby, Steal Family's Car [Re: lonestar2004]
#5753533 - 06/15/06 01:06 PM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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so, you believe in state-sanctioned revenge?
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Re: Carjackers Kill Baby, Steal Family's Car [Re: Vvellum]
#5753545 - 06/15/06 01:11 PM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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bi0 said: so, you believe in state-sanctioned revenge?
I believe in Natural Consequences.
The punishment should equal the crime.
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Re: Carjackers Kill Baby, Steal Family's Car [Re: lonestar2004]
#5753571 - 06/15/06 01:21 PM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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The punishment should equal the crime.
revenge is not defensive and so is not in itself a justifiable use of force.
if the death penalty serves no demonstratable deterrent effect, it is not justified.
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Re: Carjackers Kill Baby, Steal Family's Car [Re: lonestar2004]
#5753576 - 06/15/06 01:23 PM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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I don't think the death penalty should apply here. If those men are caught, the following should happen: 1. Testicles placed on anvil and smashed with a sledgehammer 2. Fingernails ripped off 3. Ears, fingers and toes cut off. 4. Recovery time and medical treatment. 5. Skin peeled off the body. Perhaps with a caustic chemical. 6. Throw them in a box with bullet ants 7. Toss in a box jellyfish 8. More medical treatment and recovery time 9. Break all of their bones, reset them. 10. More recovery time. 11. Saw off an inch or two of the leg with a dull rusty saw, make sure you use a tourniquet to prevent blood loss. 12. Again recovery. 13. Repeat until there is nothing left.
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Re: Carjackers Kill Baby, Steal Family's Car [Re: lonestar2004]
#5753592 - 06/15/06 01:29 PM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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please explain what you mean by "Natural Consequences".
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Re: Carjackers Kill Baby, Steal Family's Car [Re: wilshire]
#5753599 - 06/15/06 01:31 PM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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The deterrent effect on those executed is absolute.
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Re: Carjackers Kill Baby, Steal Family's Car [Re: Vvellum]
#5753633 - 06/15/06 01:41 PM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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bi0 said: please explain what you mean by "Natural Consequences".
I use to preach Natural consequences when I worked with kids at camp. For example if you put your finger in a electric socket, you get a shock.
If we caught a kid stealing food, he would not get supper. If they won't turn the music down, they lose the stereo.
The punishment fits the crime, (natural consequences) kinda like the real world. If you don't show up for work, you don't get paid. If you go over the speed limit, you get a ticket.
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Re: Carjackers Kill Baby, Steal Family's Car [Re: lonestar2004]
#5753787 - 06/15/06 02:22 PM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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everything you describe is simple a lesson. if you do A, you will get B. gotcha.
now, if you execute someone, how do they learn the lesson?
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Re: Carjackers Kill Baby, Steal Family's Car [Re: Vvellum]
#5754082 - 06/15/06 04:04 PM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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That is why they should torture the living shit out of people like these assholes.
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Re: Carjackers Kill Baby, Steal Family's Car [Re: blacksabbathrulz]
#5754086 - 06/15/06 04:05 PM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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No, they should be locked away where they can't harm anyone. Vengeance gets us nowhere.
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Re: Carjackers Kill Baby, Steal Family's Car [Re: Silversoul]
#5754094 - 06/15/06 04:06 PM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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I bet you would see a lot less of people like these assholes if we hard harder punishments for murder. It saddens me that even if these guys are caught, and sentenced to death, they won't suffer tremendously.
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Re: Carjackers Kill Baby, Steal Family's Car [Re: blacksabbathrulz]
#5754111 - 06/15/06 04:11 PM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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blacksabbathrulz said: I bet you would see a lot less of people like these assholes if we hard harder punishments for murder.
Then how come we have a higher murder rate than the countries that have abolished the death penalty? In fact, if you go back in time and look at the height of torture in Midaeval Europe, the crime rate was unimaginably higher than it is today.
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Re: Carjackers Kill Baby, Steal Family's Car [Re: blacksabbathrulz]
#5754185 - 06/15/06 04:40 PM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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blacksabbathrulz said: That is why they should torture the living shit out of people like these assholes.
http://www.usconstitution.net/const.html#Am8
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Re: Carjackers Kill Baby, Steal Family's Car [Re: Vvellum]
#5754214 - 06/15/06 04:48 PM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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It's pretty primitive to advocate murder and torture when it won't prevent future crimes.
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Re: Carjackers Kill Baby, Steal Family's Car [Re: Vvellum]
#5754215 - 06/15/06 04:48 PM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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blacksabbathrulz said: That is why they should torture the living shit out of people like these assholes.
http://www.usconstitution.net/const.html#Am8
That should be repealed. Anyone convicted beyond a doubt of a violent crime should suffer a fate 10x worse IMO. There are too many low life pieces of shit in this country.
I also think any and all known gang members should be executed on sight.
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Re: Carjackers Kill Baby, Steal Family's Car [Re: blacksabbathrulz]
#5754221 - 06/15/06 04:49 PM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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Thank God the founding fathers abandoned your medieval attitude.
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Re: Carjackers Kill Baby, Steal Family's Car [Re: blacksabbathrulz]
#5754276 - 06/15/06 05:01 PM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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That should be repealed. Anyone convicted beyond a doubt of a violent crime should suffer a fate 10x worse IMO. There are too many low life pieces of shit in this country.
I also think any and all known gang members should be executed on sight.
yeah, ok Stalin. whatever you want.
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Re: Carjackers Kill Baby, Steal Family's Car [Re: Vvellum]
#5754591 - 06/15/06 06:08 PM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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That should be repealed. Anyone convicted beyond a doubt of a violent crime should suffer a fate 10x worse IMO. There are too many low life pieces of shit in this country.
I also think any and all known gang members should be executed on sight.
yeah, ok Stalin. whatever you want.
No flaming in here.
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Re: Carjackers Kill Baby, Steal Family's Car [Re: lonestar2004]
#5754735 - 06/15/06 06:39 PM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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lonestar2004 said: When lynching died out, so did deterrent.
This has to be the lowest comment you have ever made during your tenure at the Shroomery
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Re: Carjackers Kill Baby, Steal Family's Car [Re: Basilides]
#5754782 - 06/15/06 06:51 PM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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Basilides said:
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lonestar2004 said: When lynching died out, so did deterrent.
This has to be the lowest comment you have ever made during your tenure at the Shroomery
If only that were true.
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Re: Carjackers Kill Baby, Steal Family's Car [Re: blacksabbathrulz]
#5754839 - 06/15/06 07:11 PM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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maybe you should shoot me.
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Re: Carjackers Kill Baby, Steal Family's Car [Re: blacksabbathrulz]
#5754934 - 06/15/06 07:36 PM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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> Anyone convicted beyond a doubt of a violent crime should suffer a fate 10x worse IMO.
Unfortunately, it is all too common for an innocent person to be convicted of a crime they did not commit. We we take an eye for an eye, the world goes blind.
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Re: Carjackers Kill Baby, Steal Family's Car [Re: Vvellum]
#5755159 - 06/15/06 08:36 PM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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bi0 said: so, you believe in state-sanctioned revenge?
Yes I do. Fuck the murderers who have no respect for your life or anybody elses.
When we lock people up for auto theft, is that also state sanctioned revenge?
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Re: Carjackers Kill Baby, Steal Family's Car [Re: Silversoul]
#5755250 - 06/15/06 09:01 PM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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Silversoul said: No, they should be locked away where they can't harm anyone. Vengeance gets us nowhere.
Tax payers should not have to foot the bill for scum like this to exist.
The reason the death penalty isn't a good deterrent is because it isn't public any longer. The death of these types of people is meant to warn others of the consequences of their actions. People who have already committed these types of crimes no long deserve to breath air. The only good that they can bring is to serve as an example of what is waiting for others who might follow in their footsteps.
The men who committed the crimes described above have relinquished their right to coexist with human beings.
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Re: Carjackers Kill Baby, Steal Family's Car [Re: lonestar2004]
#5755561 - 06/15/06 10:32 PM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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About 10% through this, I said "I bet the perpetrators were black". How sad.
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Re: Carjackers Kill Baby, Steal Family's Car [Re: xDuckYouSuckerx]
#5755610 - 06/15/06 10:45 PM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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xDuckYouSuckerx said: About 10% through this, I said "I bet the perpetrators were black". How sad.
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Re: Carjackers Kill Baby, Steal Family's Car [Re: RandalFlagg]
#5755651 - 06/15/06 11:02 PM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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that is one fucked up story. i honestly don't know what i would do if i were in that situation and my daughter were killed by two random strangers who will probably never be caught (for that particular crime anyway).
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Re: Carjackers Kill Baby, Steal Family's Car [Re: SuperD]
#5756008 - 06/16/06 01:25 AM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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I know what I'd do and it would involve lots and lots of dead BG's
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Re: Carjackers Kill Baby, Steal Family's Car [Re: xDuckYouSuckerx]
#5756269 - 06/16/06 04:35 AM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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> About 10% through this, I said "I bet the perpetrators were black". How sad.
A much more valid thought would have been, "I bet the perpetrators were poor." It is more likely that poverty was the motivating factor rather than race. When the majority of a race is in poverty, it is easier to justify ones stereotypical prejudices.
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Re: Carjackers Kill Baby, Steal Family's Car [Re: Seuss]
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I was right, right? I don't see how poverty leads to murder, really. If someone said that poor were more likely to steal bread or fish to feed their families, well, Ok, I'd give them that. But saying that being poor makes you want to throw kids out of a car, run them over, steal the car and ditch it 5 miles down the road? Thats a bit of a stretch. I didn't grow up poor but I had friends that did and not a one of them ever did shit like this.
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Re: Carjackers Kill Baby, Steal Family's Car [Re: xDuckYouSuckerx]
#5756345 - 06/16/06 05:55 AM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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If your assertion is that a certain race is more prone to crime than others, please verify this with some scientific proof. Social considerations would probably go against what you just contended here, so I expect some flat out, biological evidence here. I'm waiting.
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Re: Carjackers Kill Baby, Steal Family's Car [Re: Basilides]
#5756368 - 06/16/06 06:21 AM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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That blacks commit more crimes, per capita, than whites? Are you serious?
Now, the REASON for that is the unknown. I'm not saying that it's genetic, it's just that "poverty" is such a bullshit excuse. The line of thinking "Gosh, I'm poor, maybe I should join a gang and massacre people, steal cars and kill babies" just doesn't cut the mustard.
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Re: Carjackers Kill Baby, Steal Family's Car [Re: xDuckYouSuckerx]
#5756392 - 06/16/06 06:41 AM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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For the argument that execution will not teach the perps a lesson, I argue that nobody expects them to either way. Dead, they are relinquished of the responsibility for their unforgivable crimes, and society is relinquished from the future consequences of allowing them continuity among it.
violent offenders that totally lack dignity habitually abbandon the quality we as society ought to exclusively attribute "humanity" to, tand therefore, ought to be denied existance, for, it is the nature of ALL life to protect itself by removing virulently diseased members of its populace.
as for the argument that they are merely victims of a greater social status quo, what are you going to do? imprison all the good people?
you get rid of dangerous people. dont keep them around.
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Re: Carjackers Kill Baby, Steal Family's Car [Re: xDuckYouSuckerx]
#5756397 - 06/16/06 06:46 AM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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xDuckYouSuckerx said: That blacks commit more crimes, per capita, than whites? Are you serious?
Now, the REASON for that is the unknown. I'm not saying that it's genetic, it's just that "poverty" is such a bullshit excuse. The line of thinking "Gosh, I'm poor, maybe I should join a gang and massacre people, steal cars and kill babies" just doesn't cut the mustard.
Socio-economic factors seem like a more logical and rational estimation than suggesting it is biological.
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Re: Carjackers Kill Baby, Steal Family's Car [Re: xDuckYouSuckerx]
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You have to be MagicalMystery.
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Re: Carjackers Kill Baby, Steal Family's Car [Re: xDuckYouSuckerx]
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xDuckYouSuckerx said: Now, the REASON for that is the unknown. I'm not saying that it's genetic, it's just that "poverty" is such a bullshit excuse. The line of thinking "Gosh, I'm poor, maybe I should join a gang and massacre people, steal cars and kill babies" just doesn't cut the mustard.
Absurd.
I am not your typical lefty, and I still can realize that being in a lower income bracket will lead to a higher chance of that particular person committing a violent crime. Low-income adolescents join gangs and deal drugs because they feel they have no alternative, and for the most part, they are correct.
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Re: Carjackers Kill Baby, Steal Family's Car [Re: Redstorm]
#5756695 - 06/16/06 09:40 AM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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So why don't Native Americans do this sort of thing? Why aren't the kids of white factory workers in Appalachia doing it?
Explain how making less money equates to murdering someone for their car? I just dun gettit
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Re: Carjackers Kill Baby, Steal Family's Car [Re: Basilides]
#5756702 - 06/16/06 09:42 AM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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I never suggested it's biological. Blacks (any group, for that matter) aren't genetically predisposed towards a certain behavior, it would be idiotic to think that. I'll clarify, the problem that blacks are having in America isn't because of their genes, it's because of the modern "black culture" glorifying violence and the, for lack of a more descriptive phrase, "hip-hop culture". Bill Cosby and I see eye-to-eye on this issue.
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Re: Carjackers Kill Baby, Steal Family's Car [Re: xDuckYouSuckerx]
#5756855 - 06/16/06 10:47 AM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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What we should do is give them a prison term.....and they will be out in X number of years for "good behavior".
or should we lock them up for good, giving them life in prison, on the tax payers dime?
I am all for capital punishment, but I am also aware that this can be more expensive then letting them live in prison for the rest of their lives.
I guess a lighting bolt from the sky, or a heavy fall down a flight of metal steps, would be my answer.
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Re: Carjackers Kill Baby, Steal Family's Car [Re: SirTripAlot]
#5757068 - 06/16/06 11:57 AM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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Really, I don't see why people act like life in prison is such a walk in the park. I would think that constantly having to worry about being raped or stabbed for the rest of my life would be plenty of torture for me.
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Re: Carjackers Kill Baby, Steal Family's Car [Re: xDuckYouSuckerx]
#5757168 - 06/16/06 12:38 PM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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I'd be willing to bet $100 that you are MagicalMystery.
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Re: Carjackers Kill Baby, Steal Family's Car [Re: xDuckYouSuckerx]
#5758714 - 06/16/06 08:55 PM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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xDuckYouSuckerx said: I never suggested it's biological. Blacks (any group, for that matter) aren't genetically predisposed towards a certain behavior, it would be idiotic to think that. I'll clarify, the problem that blacks are having in America isn't because of their genes, it's because of the modern "black culture" glorifying violence and the, for lack of a more descriptive phrase, "hip-hop culture". Bill Cosby and I see eye-to-eye on this issue.
Then you're only left with two options, either predisposal/intractability or that it's sociologically related which sort of exposes your obvious inconsistency in this thread. If you're going to generalize an entire race as you've did here, at least have a consistent ideology to back it up other than asserting that the issue is "unknown" which, honestly, is an extremely stupid and myopic answer.
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Re: Carjackers Kill Baby, Steal Family's Car [Re: Silversoul]
#5759026 - 06/16/06 10:41 PM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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Silversoul said: Really, I don't see why people act like life in prison is such a walk in the park. I would think that constantly having to worry about being raped or stabbed for the rest of my life would be plenty of torture for me.
Prisons are no longer like this, unfortunately. Nowadays, if you are in prison for life in the US you will only be interacting with a limited amount of the prison population for less than an hour or not at all everyday. Prison justice does still exist, but it is getting rarer and harder to enact. As super max prisons take over and grow safer, it will become non-existent.
Personally, I think death row is too long. I think after a few years you should be put in front of a firing squad or hung(where you slowly asphyxiate, not the wimpy gallows) preferably in public.
The executions of today existing as a deterrent to crime is complete joke.
This my friends, is justice.
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Re: Carjackers Kill Baby, Steal Family's Car [Re: d33p]
#5759401 - 06/17/06 12:16 AM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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Public executions would probably violate FCC regulations
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Re: Carjackers Kill Baby, Steal Family's Car [Re: Basilides]
#5759916 - 06/17/06 07:17 AM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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Re: Carjackers Kill Baby, Steal Family's Car [Re: d33p]
#5760498 - 06/17/06 12:31 PM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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d33p said: Prisons are no longer like this, unfortunately. Nowadays, if you are in prison for life in the US you will only be interacting with a limited amount of the prison population for less than an hour or not at all everyday. Prison justice does still exist, but it is getting rarer and harder to enact. As super max prisons take over and grow safer, it will become non-existent.
I don't know about this. I saw some special on the National Geographic Channel about a maximum security prison right in my area, and it seemed pretty vicious to me. Despite all the surveillance cameras and guards on duty, people would still get raped or stabbed if they let their guard down for just a second.
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Re: Carjackers Kill Baby, Steal Family's Car [Re: xDuckYouSuckerx]
#5761342 - 06/17/06 05:57 PM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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xDuckYouSuckerx said: I don't see how poverty leads to murder, really.
tell us how being black leads to murder
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But saying that being poor makes you want to throw kids out of a car, run them over
of course blacks are known for doing this regularly, one of those untold stereo types, it was simply a robbery/carjacking with a very tragic outcome
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Re: Carjackers Kill Baby, Steal Family's Car [Re: Silversoul]
#5761388 - 06/17/06 06:12 PM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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lonestar2004 said: Thankfully Texas has the Death Penalty.
Will the death penalty bring the child back? Will it make the family forget their grief? Will it stop them from being haunted by the incident? One thing I know for sure: it wasn't a deterrent for the people who did this.
no no no
I'm not so sure about that last one, one of the big problems in this nation is repeat offenders, as well as offenders being paroled to commit more heinous crimes, one thing for sure, if you kill them, they wont do it ever again now the real problem with capital punishment not being a deterant, it wont be one until they decide to use it, why house a prisoner for 20 years to have him file frivolous lawsuits that WE pay for regardless of the outcome. geriatric prison care is 10x more costly than in the civilian world. kack them and be done with them, sure it doesnt resurect the dead but then it does save me a few bucks
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Re: Carjackers Kill Baby, Steal Family's Car [Re: xDuckYouSuckerx]
#5763003 - 06/18/06 02:06 AM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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xDuckYouSuckerx said: I never suggested it's biological. Blacks (any group, for that matter) aren't genetically predisposed towards a certain behavior, it would be idiotic to think that. I'll clarify, the problem that blacks are having in America isn't because of their genes, it's because of the modern "black culture" glorifying violence and the, for lack of a more descriptive phrase, "hip-hop culture". Bill Cosby and I see eye-to-eye on this issue.
You don't know the difference between hip hop and gangsta rap? Gongrats, you're real smart.
I say put all murderers into prison facilities that brainwash the inmates. Have them attend classes in the prisons, teach them how to behave. Shit, teach them k-12. Then release them under supervision and support them.
However, this might cost more but hey, you can also go the easy way and send them to prison for life or kill them and then get more inmates, YAY.
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Re: Carjackers Kill Baby, Steal Family's Car [Re: downforpot]
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downforpot said: You don't know the difference between hip hop and gangsta rap? Gongrats, you're real smart.
*Congrats
Yea, I guess taking advanced chemistry and electronics courses were a waste of money when I could have studied "Nigga Music one-oh-mutha-fuckin-one" When americans judge peoples intellect based on their knowledge of late 20th century black music, it's a clear sign of the times.
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I say put all murderers into prison facilities that brainwash the inmates. Have them attend classes in the prisons, teach them how to behave. Shit, teach them k-12. Then release them under supervision and support them.
So, he commits a crime, and I pay for his education (again, most likely) and supervision and whatever "support" means? A rope is much cheaper, quicker, and it's reusuable justice!
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However, this might cost more but hey, you can also go the easy way and send them to prison for life or kill them and then get more inmates, YAY.
Oh great Oracle of Mental Ability, tell this ignorant peon that can't tell fiddy cent and JaRule apart how killing criminals equals more inmates?
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Re: Carjackers Kill Baby, Steal Family's Car [Re: xDuckYouSuckerx]
#5763162 - 06/18/06 03:19 AM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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Are you going to respond to me or is that a concession?
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Re: Carjackers Kill Baby, Steal Family's Car [Re: Basilides]
#5763196 - 06/18/06 03:39 AM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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Respond to what? I don't spend every waking moment on the Shroomery, I've got one of those job-type things.
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Re: Carjackers Kill Baby, Steal Family's Car [Re: xDuckYouSuckerx]
#5763211 - 06/18/06 03:46 AM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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Re: Carjackers Kill Baby, Steal Family's Car [Re: Basilides]
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Then you're only left with two options,
doubtful.
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either predisposal/intractability or that it's sociologically related which sort of exposes your obvious inconsistency in this thread.
I'm still going with "Unknown causality".
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If you're going to generalize an entire race as you've did here
Where? When I correctly guessed that the criminals were black? Either you are ignorant and don't understand words that limit a comment or you think that when I speak of murdering carjackers, I refer to all blacks, which obviously isn't true.
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, at least have a consistent ideology to back it up other than asserting that the issue is "unknown" which, honestly, is an extremely stupid and myopic answer.
Unknown isn't stupid. Making the facts fit your answer is stupid. Claiming that it's poverty when poor people of different raced behave differently is stupid. Claiming it's unknown, well, thats logical.
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Re: Carjackers Kill Baby, Steal Family's Car [Re: xDuckYouSuckerx]
#5763242 - 06/18/06 04:07 AM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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doubtful
I'm afraid there is. Either the black race is predisposed to criminal behavior or this is simply related to sociological factors. It's either sociological or biological. Do you know sociological means?
I'm still going with "Unknown causality".
And your reason for that is?
Where? When I correctly guessed that the criminals were black? Either you are ignorant and don't understand words that limit a comment or you think that when I speak of murdering carjackers, I refer to all blacks, which obviously isn't true.
You hate blacks in general. Minutes ago in another forum you called me a "nigger lover". 
Unknown isn't stupid. Making the facts fit your answer is stupid. Claiming that it's poverty when poor people of different raced behave differently is stupid. Claiming it's unknown, well, thats logical.
"Unknown" is a non-answer. It's willful ignorance, as you simply do not want to admit that you don't like black people. If it's not sociological, you are only left with biological predisposition.
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Re: Carjackers Kill Baby, Steal Family's Car [Re: Basilides]
#5763327 - 06/18/06 05:34 AM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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Basilides said: I'm afraid there is. Either the black race is predisposed to criminal behavior or this is simply related to sociological factors. It's either sociological or biological. Do you know sociological means?
I'm still sticking with "unknown". You'd make a great Christian with your "us/them" viewpoint, by the way.
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And your reason for that is?
Brace yourself.... it's because I don't know! People have to admit that blacks commit much more crimes than whites, and that poor blacks commit not only more crimes but more atrocious crimes, on the whole, than white people do. Do I think that it's genetic? I'm 98.99% sure that it's not, it just seems to devalue human existance if we are all programmed to do things. Do I think that it could stem from most blacks being raised in horrible homes with a lacking male parent that properly instills decent moral values? Yes, I'd say thats a large part of it. Can I say definiativly either way? Negative.
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You hate blacks in general. Minutes ago in another forum you called me a "nigger lover". 
OTD =! PAL I thought I'm supposed to be the one making ignorant generalizations, not you.
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"Unknown" is a non-answer. It's willful ignorance, as you simply do not want to admit that you don't like black people. If it's not sociological, you are only left with biological predisposition.
If I didn't like black people, I'd admit it.
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Re: Carjackers Kill Baby, Steal Family's Car [Re: xDuckYouSuckerx]
#5763353 - 06/18/06 05:47 AM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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I'm still sticking with "unknown". You'd make a great Christian with your "us/them" viewpoint, by the way.
You don't follow well, do you?
Brace yourself.... it's because I don't know! People have to admit that blacks commit much more crimes than whites, and that poor blacks commit not only more crimes but more atrocious crimes, on the whole, than white people do. Do I think that it's genetic? I'm 98.99% sure that it's not, it just seems to devalue human existance if we are all programmed to do things. Do I think that it could stem from most blacks being raised in horrible homes with a lacking male parent that properly instills decent moral values? Yes, I'd say thats a large part of it. Can I say definiativly either way? Negative.
If you don't believe it's biologically predisposed, then that only leaves you with socio-economic factors. You even mentioned the word "poor". So why all the hate, to be frank? Your flagrant racism seemingly has nothing to back it up, unsurprisingly.
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Re: Carjackers Kill Baby, Steal Family's Car [Re: Basilides]
#5763387 - 06/18/06 06:03 AM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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I don't think he likes schwoogies.
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Re: Carjackers Kill Baby, Steal Family's Car [Re: Basilides]
#5763435 - 06/18/06 06:37 AM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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"flagrant racism"? My suspicions, that were proved to be correct for the record, were that this crime was commited by black people. I was right. Thats hardly "racist".
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Re: Carjackers Kill Baby, Steal Family's Car [Re: xDuckYouSuckerx]
#5763853 - 06/18/06 10:13 AM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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downforpot said: You don't know the difference between hip hop and gangsta rap? Gongrats, you're real smart.
*Congrats
Yea, I guess taking advanced chemistry and electronics courses were a waste of money when I could have studied "Nigga Music one-oh-mutha-fuckin-one" When americans judge peoples intellect based on their knowledge of late 20th century black music, it's a clear sign of the times.
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I say put all murderers into prison facilities that brainwash the inmates. Have them attend classes in the prisons, teach them how to behave. Shit, teach them k-12. Then release them under supervision and support them.
So, he commits a crime, and I pay for his education (again, most likely) and supervision and whatever "support" means? A rope is much cheaper, quicker, and it's reusuable justice!
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However, this might cost more but hey, you can also go the easy way and send them to prison for life or kill them and then get more inmates, YAY.
Oh great Oracle of Mental Ability, tell this ignorant peon that can't tell fiddy cent and JaRule apart how killing criminals equals more inmates?
You had to to pay for college? LOL. I am going into biochem and I don't pay a cent for my university, they pay for it all and then send me money into my checking account, LOL.
Oh and buddy, paying for a part of his education doesn't mean you paid for all of it. Shit, currently you shouldn't even mention education in this country. Don't talk about it like it is some top education, ever.
Point is, wherever there are uneducated and unemployed people there will be crime. Just like my Dad made bootleg beer and sold it on the street and his partner went to jail. Just like almost all of my dad's friends went to jail because after the Soviet Union collapsed a lot of people turned to crime, especially the Spetznaz, they are the Russian Mafia. Who did you think the Russian mob was? They lost their jobs after the USSR collapsed and creating an organized crime network seemed like a good idea.
Also, check the crime rates of areas that ban the death penalty and then start it again; very interesting.
Also, by not "brainwashing" the criminals and sending them out into the streets their ranks will be filled by more criminals. An on going cycle of crime, sweet. Like with Tookie who started writing children's books and preaching against violence. The guy started the Crips and now he's preaching non-violence? He could have been used to stop more kids from joining gangs. Come on, haven't you read 1984?
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Re: Carjackers Kill Baby, Steal Family's Car [Re: xDuckYouSuckerx]
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Brace yourself.... it's because I don't know! People have to admit that blacks commit much more crimes than whites, and that poor blacks commit not only more crimes but more atrocious crimes, on the whole, than white people do. Do I think that it's genetic? I'm 98.99% sure that it's not, it just seems to devalue human existance if we are all programmed to do things. Do I think that it could stem from most blacks being raised in horrible homes with a lacking male parent that properly instills decent moral values? Yes, I'd say thats a large part of it. Can I say definiativly either way? Negative.
I actually agree with you - lack of opportunity, erosion of the core family unit, and shit culture and shit education = crime and general acceptance of this such crimes as normal.
I am not sure, however, that blacks commit more "atrocious" crimes than whites - do you have a source for this?
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Re: Carjackers Kill Baby, Steal Family's Car [Re: Vvellum]
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bi0 said: I am not sure, however, that blacks commit more "atrocious" crimes than whites - do you have a source for this?
Statistically, whites are more likely to be serial killers. Blacks have many gang murders, but they don't have many Jeffrey Dahmers
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Re: Carjackers Kill Baby, Steal Family's Car [Re: Silversoul]
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Re: Carjackers Kill Baby, Steal Family's Car [Re: downforpot]
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downforpot said: You had to to pay for college? LOL.
While I actually didn't say that I did, yes, I did. I didn't "have to", I guess I've just got something against taking a handout. I'm sure that your knowledge of urban ghetto music probably qualified you for the Home Diggity Dawg scholarship fund, sadly my ignorance excluded me from that prestigious alotment of money. Also, your logic button seems to be broken. Even if I'd spend scholarship money on the classes that were useless, it would still be wasting it, yes?
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I am going into biochem and I don't pay a cent for my university, they pay for it all and then send me money into my checking account, LOL.
I didn't come from an "economically disadvantaged family". Also, the US Government paid for (part of) mine to thank me for my military service.
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Also, by not "brainwashing" the criminals and sending them out into the streets their ranks will be filled by more criminals. An on going cycle of crime, sweet. Like with Tookie who started writing children's books and preaching against violence. The guy started the Crips and now he's preaching non-violence? He could have been used to stop more kids from joining gangs. Come on, haven't you read 1984?
So if Hitler had been captured and written some kiddie books about how gassing Jews is bad, then you'd push for his release? I'm just saddened that Tookie commited his crimes in America where we couldn't turn his execution into a five day long spectator sport.
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Re: Carjackers Kill Baby, Steal Family's Car [Re: Vvellum]
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bi0 said: I actually agree with you - lack of opportunity, erosion of the core family unit, and shit culture and shit education = crime and general acceptance of this such crimes as normal.
I am not sure, however, that blacks commit more "atrocious" crimes than whites - do you have a source for this?
Nope, I don't. If someone posted a news article about a murderer who was kidnapping gay lovers and torturing them for days before killing them, I'd most likely assume that it was a white person. I don't know why blacks are more inclined towards violence relating to property crimes and most "serial killers" seem to be white, but it does seem to hold up. Again, we can't forget that my prediction was totally correct.
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Re: Carjackers Kill Baby, Steal Family's Car [Re: Silversoul]
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Statistically, whites are more likely to be serial killers. Blacks have many gang murders, but they don't have many Jeffrey Dahmers
I don't think that is true. You don't have to have some weird pathology behind your murders to be a serial killer, I think that the FBI requirements are that you've killed more than three people at more than one time. I'd say that numerous gang members probably fit that criterea. Since most gangland murders don't get solved, it's hard to say how many are truely "serial killers". The blacks that perpetrated this crime that we are discussing would NOT be considered serial killers, unless it was proven that they've killed people before they did this. The movies put the idea in peoples heads that serial killers have to be reasonably educated white males who like planting little clues to play with the authorities, I think thats very far from the truth.
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Re: Carjackers Kill Baby, Steal Family's Car [Re: xDuckYouSuckerx]
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So if Hitler had been captured and written some kiddie books about how gassing Jews is bad, then you'd push for his release? I'm just saddened that Tookie commited his crimes in America where we couldn't turn his execution into a five day long spectator sport.
Yep. I am Jewish too, my granpa died in Berlin during the last days of the war.
And guess what, we still have Nazis that worship Hitler. Sweet, we made him into a martyr. We should have made sure that he didn't blow his brains out before we got to him.
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While I actually didn't say that I did, yes, I did. I didn't "have to", I guess I've just got something against taking a handout. I'm sure that your knowledge of urban ghetto music probably qualified you for the Home Diggity Dawg scholarship fund, sadly my ignorance excluded me from that prestigious alotment of money. Also, your logic button seems to be broken. Even if I'd spend scholarship money on the classes that were useless, it would still be wasting it, yes?Quote:
So studying chemistry and biology is useless?
Man you sound like this kid back at my school. He got socked in the party for talking like you, meh. I had to add that cause damn there are a lot of people on here like that kid.
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Re: Carjackers Kill Baby, Steal Family's Car [Re: xDuckYouSuckerx]
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xDuckYouSuckerx said: "flagrant racism"? My suspicions, that were proved to be correct for the record, were that this crime was commited by black people. I was right. Thats hardly "racist".
Calling someone a "nigger lover" sounds like racist sentiment to me
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Re: Carjackers Kill Baby, Steal Family's Car [Re: Basilides]
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Re: Carjackers Kill Baby, Steal Family's Car [Re: xDuckYouSuckerx]
#5766356 - 06/19/06 12:43 AM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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Hey - you said it. No use in your trying backpedal. I think it's fairly obvious you hold some animosity towards blacks. It's just sad that you attempt to masquerade everything you stand for when people call you out on it. A bit thin skinned are we?
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Re: Carjackers Kill Baby, Steal Family's Car [Re: lonestar2004]
#5767339 - 06/19/06 09:26 AM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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3 escape murder charges in carjacking!!!!

"Harris County prosecutors decided to file aggravated Robbery charges in a deadly carjacking because the evidence did not show the attackers intended to kill a girl, a key element for a murder charge, officials said."
"just a crime spree."
They beat up and attacked a family, threw a two year old down on the pavement, jumped in the family's car, and ran over and killed the two-year-old...but they didn't mean to kill her?
I am sure they were good boys.....and will do about 5 years in prison.
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Re: Carjackers Kill Baby, Steal Family's Car [Re: lonestar2004]
#5767476 - 06/19/06 10:05 AM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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Sure lonestar, after all, it's our white oppression that made them do this. If it weren't for <insert liberal lie here> then clearly this wouldn't have happend! Sensitivity training for the remaining family members, then a large lawsuit from the "Criminals" for being oppressed and 'forced' to commit such crimes in order to survive in the harsh realities of an impoverish ghetto.
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Re: Carjackers Kill Baby, Steal Family's Car [Re: xDuckYouSuckerx]
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xDuckYouSuckerx said: Sure lonestar, after all, it's our white oppression that made them do this. If it weren't for <insert liberal lie here> then clearly this wouldn't have happend! Sensitivity training for the remaining family members, then a large lawsuit from the "Criminals" for being oppressed and 'forced' to commit such crimes in order to survive in the harsh realities of an impoverish ghetto.
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Re: Carjackers Kill Baby, Steal Family's Car [Re: Silversoul]
#5767864 - 06/19/06 12:28 PM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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Typical hand of the white man, what are you doing, holding the leash on some black slave or something?
I hope that these murderers get strung up from a pole, be it by the cops, the 'justice' system or outraged citizens.
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Re: Carjackers Kill Baby, Steal Family's Car [Re: xDuckYouSuckerx]
#5769144 - 06/19/06 06:25 PM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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Avoiding my response again?
Wow, you're too easy in a debate.
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Re: Carjackers Kill Baby, Steal Family's Car [Re: Basilides]
#5769432 - 06/19/06 07:14 PM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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Basilides said: Avoiding my response again?
Wow, you're too easy in a debate.
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Hey - you said it. No use in your trying backpedal. I think it's fairly obvious you hold some animosity towards blacks. It's just sad that you attempt to masquerade everything you stand for when people call you out on it. A bit thin skinned are we?
That reply? I've already told you how stupid it was, do you want me to say it 10-15 more times so that you more clearly understand it?
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Re: Carjackers Kill Baby, Steal Family's Car [Re: xDuckYouSuckerx]
#5769437 - 06/19/06 07:16 PM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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No, you didn't.
Get crackin'.
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Re: Carjackers Kill Baby, Steal Family's Car [Re: lonestar2004]
#5819081 - 07/04/06 08:17 AM (17 years, 6 months ago) |
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Umm, you cut & paste an article about a horrible crime and then in six words of your own state to be in favor of the death penalty. How is this a PA&L discussion?
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Re: Carjackers Kill Baby, Steal Family's Car [Re: Silversoul]
#5820189 - 07/04/06 02:24 PM (17 years, 6 months ago) |
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Silversoul said: No, they should be locked away where they can't harm anyone. Vengeance gets us nowhere.
Except for their "bitches" doing a bid for weed possetion. Thats also assuming they never get out, which is not a certainty.
Also, what about that little girl, It would be nice if she could live to old age on the tax payers dime, but she didnt even get that chance. I say kill the fuckers.
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Re: Carjackers Kill Baby, Steal Family's Car [Re: Silversoul]
#5820193 - 07/04/06 02:25 PM (17 years, 6 months ago) |
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blacksabbathrulz said: I bet you would see a lot less of people like these assholes if we hard harder punishments for murder.
Then how come we have a higher murder rate than the countries that have abolished the death penalty? In fact, if you go back in time and look at the height of torture in Midaeval Europe, the crime rate was unimaginably higher than it is today.
I can tell you why, but you probably wouldn't like the answer....so I will let you figure it out. LOOK AT WHO ARE COMMITTING THESE TYPES OF CRIMES!
You cannot compare a midevil society in the dark ages to our society. You make yourself look foolish.
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Re: Carjackers Kill Baby, Steal Family's Car [Re: xDuckYouSuckerx]
#5820205 - 07/04/06 02:30 PM (17 years, 6 months ago) |
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xDuckYouSuckerx said: About 10% through this, I said "I bet the perpetrators were black". How sad.
Me too, sometimes the I feel guilty for the way I think. But more often then not, it seems to be right.....I don't know what to do
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Re: Carjackers Kill Baby, Steal Family's Car [Re: Seuss]
#5820212 - 07/04/06 02:32 PM (17 years, 6 months ago) |
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Seuss said: > About 10% through this, I said "I bet the perpetrators were black". How sad.
A much more valid thought would have been, "I bet the perpetrators were poor." It is more likely that poverty was the motivating factor rather than race. When the majority of a race is in poverty, it is easier to justify ones stereotypical prejudices.
I grew up poor and would never do something like this, no matter what.
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Re: Carjackers Kill Baby, Steal Family's Car [Re: Hank, FTW]
#5820239 - 07/04/06 02:42 PM (17 years, 6 months ago) |
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didn't you read the rules?
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Re: Carjackers Kill Baby, Steal Family's Car [Re: wilshire]
#5820251 - 07/04/06 02:45 PM (17 years, 6 months ago) |
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I apologize, I just get really irritated when I hear crime(murder) can be blamed on poverty. MAYBE theft or robbery, but MURDER?????
Again I am sorry.
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Re: Carjackers Kill Baby, Steal Family's Car [Re: Hank, FTW]
#5820792 - 07/04/06 05:23 PM (17 years, 6 months ago) |
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Evil people commit murder
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