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Re: Carjackers Kill Baby, Steal Family's Car [Re: xDuckYouSuckerx]
    #5756680 - 06/16/06 09:34 AM (17 years, 7 months ago)

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Now, the REASON for that is the unknown. I'm not saying that it's genetic, it's just that "poverty" is such a bullshit excuse. The line of thinking "Gosh, I'm poor, maybe I should join a gang and massacre people, steal cars and kill babies" just doesn't cut the mustard.




Absurd.

I am not your typical lefty, and I still can realize that being in a lower income bracket will lead to a higher chance of that particular person committing a violent crime. Low-income adolescents join gangs and deal drugs because they feel they have no alternative, and for the most part, they are correct.


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Re: Carjackers Kill Baby, Steal Family's Car [Re: Redstorm]
    #5756695 - 06/16/06 09:40 AM (17 years, 7 months ago)

So why don't Native Americans do this sort of thing? Why aren't the kids of white factory workers in Appalachia doing it?

Explain how making less money equates to murdering someone for their car? I just dun gettit


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Re: Carjackers Kill Baby, Steal Family's Car [Re: Basilides]
    #5756702 - 06/16/06 09:42 AM (17 years, 7 months ago)

I never suggested it's biological. Blacks (any group, for that matter) aren't genetically predisposed towards a certain behavior, it would be idiotic to think that. I'll clarify, the problem that blacks are having in America isn't because of their genes, it's because of the modern "black culture" glorifying violence and the, for lack of a more descriptive phrase, "hip-hop culture". Bill Cosby and I see eye-to-eye on this issue.


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Re: Carjackers Kill Baby, Steal Family's Car [Re: xDuckYouSuckerx]
    #5756855 - 06/16/06 10:47 AM (17 years, 7 months ago)

What we should do is give them a prison term.....and they will be out in X number of years for "good behavior".

or should we lock them up for good, giving them life in prison, on the tax payers dime?



I am all for capital punishment, but I am also aware that this can be more expensive then letting them live in prison for the rest of their lives.

I guess a lighting bolt from the sky, or a heavy fall down a flight of metal steps, would be my answer.


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Re: Carjackers Kill Baby, Steal Family's Car [Re: SirTripAlot]
    #5757068 - 06/16/06 11:57 AM (17 years, 7 months ago)

Really, I don't see why people act like life in prison is such a walk in the park. I would think that constantly having to worry about being raped or stabbed for the rest of my life would be plenty of torture for me.


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Re: Carjackers Kill Baby, Steal Family's Car [Re: xDuckYouSuckerx]
    #5757168 - 06/16/06 12:38 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

I'd be willing to bet $100 that you are MagicalMystery.


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Re: Carjackers Kill Baby, Steal Family's Car [Re: xDuckYouSuckerx]
    #5758714 - 06/16/06 08:55 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

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I never suggested it's biological. Blacks (any group, for that matter) aren't genetically predisposed towards a certain behavior, it would be idiotic to think that. I'll clarify, the problem that blacks are having in America isn't because of their genes, it's because of the modern "black culture" glorifying violence and the, for lack of a more descriptive phrase, "hip-hop culture". Bill Cosby and I see eye-to-eye on this issue.




Then you're only left with two options, either predisposal/intractability or that it's sociologically related which sort of exposes your obvious inconsistency in this thread. If you're going to generalize an entire race as you've did here, at least have a consistent ideology to back it up other than asserting that the issue is "unknown" which, honestly, is an extremely stupid and myopic answer.


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Re: Carjackers Kill Baby, Steal Family's Car [Re: Silversoul]
    #5759026 - 06/16/06 10:41 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

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Really, I don't see why people act like life in prison is such a walk in the park. I would think that constantly having to worry about being raped or stabbed for the rest of my life would be plenty of torture for me.




Prisons are no longer like this, unfortunately. Nowadays, if you are in prison for life in the US you will only be interacting with a limited amount of the prison population for less than an hour or not at all everyday. Prison justice does still exist, but it is getting rarer and harder to enact. As super max prisons take over and grow safer, it will become non-existent.

Personally, I think death row is too long. I think after a few years you should be put in front of a firing squad or hung(where you slowly asphyxiate, not the wimpy gallows) preferably in public.

The executions of today existing as a deterrent to crime is complete joke.

This my friends, is justice.

Murdered by Prison Gang in Brazil
This inmate was convicted for raping a 4 month-old girl. When his fellow prisoners found out the reason he was in jail they brutally slaughtered him. Prison murder for rape is very common in Brazil.





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Re: Carjackers Kill Baby, Steal Family's Car [Re: d33p]
    #5759401 - 06/17/06 12:16 AM (17 years, 7 months ago)

Public executions would probably violate FCC regulations


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Re: Carjackers Kill Baby, Steal Family's Car [Re: Basilides]
    #5759916 - 06/17/06 07:17 AM (17 years, 7 months ago)

Put 'em on the 'net. Then the FCC can go fuck themselves.


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Re: Carjackers Kill Baby, Steal Family's Car [Re: d33p]
    #5760498 - 06/17/06 12:31 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

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Prisons are no longer like this, unfortunately. Nowadays, if you are in prison for life in the US you will only be interacting with a limited amount of the prison population for less than an hour or not at all everyday. Prison justice does still exist, but it is getting rarer and harder to enact. As super max prisons take over and grow safer, it will become non-existent.



I don't know about this. I saw some special on the National Geographic Channel about a maximum security prison right in my area, and it seemed pretty vicious to me. Despite all the surveillance cameras and guards on duty, people would still get raped or stabbed if they let their guard down for just a second.


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Re: Carjackers Kill Baby, Steal Family's Car [Re: xDuckYouSuckerx]
    #5761342 - 06/17/06 05:57 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

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I don't see how poverty leads to murder, really.




tell us how being black leads to murder



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But saying that being poor makes you want to throw kids out of a car, run them over




of course blacks are known for doing this regularly, one of those untold stereo
types, it was simply a robbery/carjacking with a very tragic outcome


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Re: Carjackers Kill Baby, Steal Family's Car [Re: Silversoul]
    #5761388 - 06/17/06 06:12 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

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Thankfully Texas has the Death Penalty.



Will the death penalty bring the child back? Will it make the family forget their grief? Will it stop them from being haunted by the incident? One thing I know for sure: it wasn't a deterrent for the people who did this.




no
no
no

I'm not so sure about that last one, one of the big problems in this nation is
repeat offenders, as well as offenders being paroled to commit more heinous
crimes, one thing for sure, if you kill them, they wont do it ever again
now the real problem with capital punishment not being a deterant, it wont be
one until they decide to use it, why house a prisoner for 20 years to have him
file frivolous lawsuits that WE pay for regardless of the outcome. geriatric
prison care is 10x more costly than in the civilian world. kack them and be done
with them, sure it doesnt resurect the dead but then it does save me a few bucks


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Re: Carjackers Kill Baby, Steal Family's Car [Re: xDuckYouSuckerx]
    #5763003 - 06/18/06 02:06 AM (17 years, 7 months ago)

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I never suggested it's biological. Blacks (any group, for that matter) aren't genetically predisposed towards a certain behavior, it would be idiotic to think that. I'll clarify, the problem that blacks are having in America isn't because of their genes, it's because of the modern "black culture" glorifying violence and the, for lack of a more descriptive phrase, "hip-hop culture". Bill Cosby and I see eye-to-eye on this issue.




You don't know the difference between hip hop and gangsta rap? Gongrats, you're real smart.

I say put all murderers into prison facilities that brainwash the inmates. Have them attend classes in the prisons, teach them how to behave. Shit, teach them k-12. Then release them under supervision and support them.

However, this might cost more but hey, you can also go the easy way and send them to prison for life or kill them and then get more inmates, YAY.


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Re: Carjackers Kill Baby, Steal Family's Car [Re: downforpot]
    #5763136 - 06/18/06 03:06 AM (17 years, 7 months ago)

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You don't know the difference between hip hop and gangsta rap? Gongrats, you're real smart.




*Congrats

Yea, I guess taking advanced chemistry and electronics courses were a waste of money when I could have studied "Nigga Music one-oh-mutha-fuckin-one" When americans judge peoples intellect based on their knowledge of late 20th century black music, it's a clear sign of the times.
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I say put all murderers into prison facilities that brainwash the inmates. Have them attend classes in the prisons, teach them how to behave. Shit, teach them k-12. Then release them under supervision and support them.



So, he commits a crime, and I pay for his education (again, most likely) and supervision and whatever "support" means? A rope is much cheaper, quicker, and it's reusuable justice!
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However, this might cost more but hey, you can also go the easy way and send them to prison for life or kill them and then get more inmates, YAY.



Oh great Oracle of Mental Ability, tell this ignorant peon that can't tell fiddy cent and JaRule apart how killing criminals equals more inmates?


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Re: Carjackers Kill Baby, Steal Family's Car [Re: xDuckYouSuckerx]
    #5763162 - 06/18/06 03:19 AM (17 years, 7 months ago)

Are you going to respond to me or is that a concession?


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Re: Carjackers Kill Baby, Steal Family's Car [Re: Basilides]
    #5763196 - 06/18/06 03:39 AM (17 years, 7 months ago)

Respond to what? I don't spend every waking moment on the Shroomery, I've got one of those job-type things.


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Re: Carjackers Kill Baby, Steal Family's Car [Re: xDuckYouSuckerx]
    #5763211 - 06/18/06 03:46 AM (17 years, 7 months ago)



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Re: Carjackers Kill Baby, Steal Family's Car [Re: Basilides]
    #5763219 - 06/18/06 03:50 AM (17 years, 7 months ago)

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Then you're only left with two options,



doubtful.
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either predisposal/intractability or that it's sociologically related which sort of exposes your obvious inconsistency in this thread.




I'm still going with "Unknown causality".
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If you're going to generalize an entire race as you've did here




Where? When I correctly guessed that the criminals were black? Either you are ignorant and don't understand words that limit a comment or you think that when I speak of murdering carjackers, I refer to all blacks, which obviously isn't true.
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, at least have a consistent ideology to back it up other than asserting that the issue is "unknown" which, honestly, is an extremely stupid and myopic answer.



Unknown isn't stupid. Making the facts fit your answer is stupid. Claiming that it's poverty when poor people of different raced behave differently is stupid. Claiming it's unknown, well, thats logical.


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Re: Carjackers Kill Baby, Steal Family's Car [Re: xDuckYouSuckerx]
    #5763242 - 06/18/06 04:07 AM (17 years, 7 months ago)

doubtful

I'm afraid there is. Either the black race is predisposed to criminal behavior or this is simply related to sociological factors. It's either sociological or biological. Do you know sociological means?

I'm still going with "Unknown causality".

And your reason for that is?

Where? When I correctly guessed that the criminals were black? Either you are ignorant and don't understand words that limit a comment or you think that when I speak of murdering carjackers, I refer to all blacks, which obviously isn't true.

You hate blacks in general. Minutes ago in another forum you called me a "nigger lover". :rolleyes:

Unknown isn't stupid. Making the facts fit your answer is stupid. Claiming that it's poverty when poor people of different raced behave differently is stupid. Claiming it's unknown, well, thats logical.

"Unknown" is a non-answer. It's willful ignorance, as you simply do not want to admit that you don't like black people. If it's not sociological, you are only left with biological predisposition.


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