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OfflineCptnGarden
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Re: Definition of real "punk rock"? [Re: king_cobra]
    #5805377 - 06/30/06 12:31 AM (17 years, 7 months ago)

maybe when keith was in the band, henry rollins is horrible...

tv party? :wtf:


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Re: Definition of real "punk rock"? [Re: CptnGarden]
    #5805400 - 06/30/06 12:36 AM (17 years, 7 months ago)

who cares what kind of music it is! just listen to what you like and what you think is music.


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And ordered him to do the Dog
He wagged his tail and shook his head
And he went and did the Cat instead
He's a weird monkey, very funky.


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Re: Definition of real "punk rock"? [Re: CptnGarden]
    #5805414 - 06/30/06 12:40 AM (17 years, 7 months ago)

i was actually a real hc punk at one time. i had the leather jacket with like 5000 spiked studs in it, and a foot long green mohawk, and 14 eye long ass doc martin steel toe boots. i was listnenin to "chaos uk" and "disorder"(too very very hardcore british punk bands. i was really into the whole punk thing years ago, the real punk thing. nothing on tv today is not punk. punk was dead when i was into it, and its still dead.


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Re: Definition of real "punk rock"? [Re: Infamy456]
    #11219614 - 10/10/09 07:49 AM (14 years, 3 months ago)

"PUNK" died a long time ago. it died the minute it became popular. "PUNK" was about being different and individual not mowhawks and leather jackets. "PUNK" was about speaking ure own mind but all of a sudden it became manufactured anger, noone really believing in what they're saying just what people told them to believe which was exactly what "PUNK" was against. a "PUNK" could even sing about peace and love but "PUNKS" became conservative which guess wot is contridiction to what "PUNK" really was.the term "PUNK" was only coined as a way to sell fashion and music. a real "PUNK" doesnt go around with a mohawk and leather jacket they wears what ever and doesnt try to fit in with a genre. a real "PUNK" listen to classical music or whatever the fuck they want. there is also argument about what country "PUNK" started... who cares  u cant say it started here or their it was about being individual and bands from a heaps o countries were just being themselves and were then suddenly put into a genre by the media and record companies as a way to sell it like pop. also people are very critical of the sex pistols i recomend they read Rotten no irsh no blacks no dogs. i use the term "PUNK" even though i have pointed out that it is an exploitation of ones individuality, as a way for people to identify what im talkin about, i no irony irony blah blah blah


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Re: Definition of real "punk rock"? [Re: Laughing_Gnome]
    #11223892 - 10/10/09 10:49 PM (14 years, 3 months ago)

People attach so many bullshit meanings to the word punk.  The Ramones just simply wanted to create very simple pop rock music.  Thats it, theres punk.


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Re: Definition of real "punk rock"? [Re: Chespirito]
    #11225226 - 10/11/09 06:56 AM (14 years, 3 months ago)

grateful dead
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Re: Definition of real "punk rock"? [Re: Amber Trichome]
    #11225642 - 10/11/09 09:23 AM (14 years, 3 months ago)

Punk isn't dead. There are still plenty of good underground bands that tour. It appears to be bastardized and comm

ercialized, which it is, but ANYTHING seen on MTV isn't really how that music genera really is. Though there might be a little glimmer of hope because of MTV-punk. It happened to me and  know a few other people who had similar experiences. I was the kid who liked Green Day and Goldfinger and NOFX. I started researching what 'punk' was, and by the end of the year I was listening to Dead Kennedys, Misfits, Oxymoron, Buzzcocks, The Damned, Leftover Crack, Chaos UK, Blanks77, etc etc etc.

For a small percentage of people, MTV punk actually opens the door to real punk. But most of the kids who were in to Blink182, Good Charlotte, and Sum41 have moved into more "trendy" screamo bands on MTV. Let them follow their trends. Real fans of music will remain.


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Re: Definition of real "punk rock"? [Re: doomsdayrobert]
    #11233182 - 10/12/09 01:24 PM (14 years, 3 months ago)

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doomsdayrobert said:
It appears that I've misplaced my Punk Rock Rule Book...




Punk rock is a pejorative term.

It means popular style punk like the Sex Pistols, Ramones, etc.

Nu-pop-punk is Green Day, the Offspring, Blink-182, and so on.

Punk hardcore is the underground stuff: Black Flag, Minor Threat, the Exploited.

Crustcore is punk hardcore of a fast chaotic nature, like Amebix, Discharge and Neurosis.


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InvisibleAlabama Slim
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    #11237178 - 10/13/09 12:27 AM (14 years, 3 months ago)

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Re: Definition of real "punk rock"? [Re: Alabama Slim]
    #11238046 - 10/13/09 07:12 AM (14 years, 3 months ago)

and the grateful dead


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    #11239945 - 10/13/09 02:40 PM (14 years, 3 months ago)

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Re: Definition of real "punk rock"? [Re: Alabama Slim]
    #11239963 - 10/13/09 02:42 PM (14 years, 3 months ago)

Neither were the Clash.


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InvisibleAlabama Slim
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    #11240063 - 10/13/09 02:57 PM (14 years, 3 months ago)

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Re: Definition of real "punk rock"? [Re: zappaisgod]
    #11240087 - 10/13/09 03:00 PM (14 years, 3 months ago)

how was gd not punk? their following was largely due to word of mouth, they encouraged a do it yourself ethic, psychedelics ran rampant through the scene, and their music was ever evolving.

wait i forgot punk is about a certain look and sound, not an ATTITUDE.


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    #11240089 - 10/13/09 03:01 PM (14 years, 3 months ago)

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InvisibleAlabama Slim
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    #11240102 - 10/13/09 03:03 PM (14 years, 3 months ago)

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Re: Definition of real "punk rock"? [Re: zappaisgod]
    #11240843 - 10/13/09 05:12 PM (14 years, 3 months ago)

Quote:

zappaisgod said:
Neither were the Clash.




Ha..?

Punk is something that people obsess over so much, 'no man its so much more than just simple rock n roll, its like man...a whole movement! and shit..yea man I mean you are just oversimplifying it'

:whatever:
The Ramones and New York Dolls stated that they wanted to just take the simple essence of rock n roll and remove what they saw as excess.  Thats punk.  Then later bands like Black Flag made it more complex and changed the feel of it.  Im not really a big fan of early punk as I find it mostly boring (except for the band Wire).  But people overthink it


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InvisibleAlabama Slim
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. [Re: Chespirito]
    #11242647 - 10/13/09 09:20 PM (14 years, 3 months ago)

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Re: Definition of real "punk rock"? [Re: Chespirito]
    #11243192 - 10/13/09 10:50 PM (14 years, 3 months ago)

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The Ramones and New York Dolls stated that they wanted to just take the simple essence of rock n roll and remove what they saw as excess.  Thats punk.




Yeah.  And if you ask me rock was just starting to really get good when the lowest common denominator general public and the idiot youth cast their veto against it around 1976.  Soooo many good albums came out in 1976.  It was seriously probably the height of modern Western music.  But it was also the year that the critics and the "punks" finally had enough of what they saw as "excess", "pompousness", "overblown indulgence" and other such terms in pop music.

Fuck that.  Western music, North America in particular, already has an extremely weak rhythmic tradition, compared to most other parts of the world, India, China, Africa, parts of Europe, "primitive" cultures all around the globe.  Sure classical and later jazz were developing all sorts of harmonic and melodic forms but the rhythm stayed mostly duple or triplar.  And a repeating measure of compound time is kids stuff compared to the deeply complex rhythmic cycles of a lot of other cultures. And even Jazz, which was the testing ground of the avant garde and new music, the rhythm didn't develop much. 

Then, in the 60's and especially the 70's progressive rock and jazz fusion and to some extent funk started to focus on developing the rhythmic forms and incorporating world music traditions into the music, which could only enhance it.  Rock music was beginning to shape up into something really great

Then the "punk" thing happened. An embodiment of the immaturity and ignorance that's ever present especially in Western culture taken to it's fullest reach in the name of a "DYI ethic" or "pure expression" (or a foolish political sentiment) or some such nonsense.  And people will still argue that prog rock and fusion had become too "bloated" and gave way to the punk aesthetic because punk is a more authentic and expressive medium.  Bullshit.  Neither is lacking for expression, it's that one has a vocabulary and one doesn't.  It took rock back into its infancy.

Fuck punk.  I like certain elements of Black Flag, Bad Brains, Misfits, shit like that.  But for that to be put on a pedestal like it's some cultural movement or ideal way of life is just pure bullshit.  That's my rant folks.


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    #11243227 - 10/13/09 10:57 PM (14 years, 3 months ago)

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