Home | Community | Message Board

Sporeworks
This site includes paid links. Please support our sponsors.


Welcome to the Shroomery Message Board! You are experiencing a small sample of what the site has to offer. Please login or register to post messages and view our exclusive members-only content. You'll gain access to additional forums, file attachments, board customizations, encrypted private messages, and much more!

Shop: Original Sensible Seeds Autoflowering Cannabis Seeds   Mushroom-Hut Substrate Mix   Unfolding Nature Unfolding Nature: Being in the Implicate Order   North Spore North Spore Mushroom Grow Kits & Cultivation Supplies   Left Coast Kratom Buy Kratom Extract   Kraken Kratom Red Vein Kratom

Jump to first unread post Pages: < Back | 1 | 2 | 3  [ show all ]
Some of these posts are very old and might contain outdated information. You may wish to search for newer posts instead.
Offlinepassitbobbie
Stranger

Registered: 01/13/05
Posts: 554
Last seen: 14 years, 20 days
Re: A New Psychedelic? [Re: CptnGarden]
    #5945762 - 08/08/06 09:16 PM (17 years, 5 months ago)

so whats the best species and variety to start with?


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
Offlineyageman
already dead
 User Gallery

Registered: 01/26/06
Posts: 4,965
Last seen: 14 years, 9 months
Re: A New Psychedelic? [Re: passitbobbie]
    #5945806 - 08/08/06 09:30 PM (17 years, 5 months ago)

I always liked stemmer---> He's a smart and experienced guy with a tinge of asshole, which I think is warrented most of the time.......

stemmer said: "I have tried coleus smoked and in a quid/in combination quite a few time because I like it.

Oh it does something, but there is no way more than 20% of people are going to be able to trip on it to any extent. Some will certainly say they cant feel a damn thing(thats just how so many people are composed).
SOOOO many people say they cant "really" trip off of 1 gram of mushrooms or get somewhat high from one hit of weed(cant even feel it). Well for those people, there is no way you will get more than a subtle high from coleus b(if anything).

Its a great additive to a fat bowl of weed. For me it intensifies the visuals that MJ gives me.

I could see some people getting into it though. It calms the mind a bit, and for me gives subtle miniature visuals when taken in large amounts.

The more people try it the more they will ruin it for others though. Mainly because a favorite word used by high dosers at the shroomery is "placebo".

No placebo here, I know it has its subtle effects".
-------------------------------------------------------

I feel the exact same way about it. Any coleus B could work. Color shouldnt matter too much and if it did, good luck finding the most effective color scheme.
Get some nice red-green coleus and just see how it works for you.
It works for me. I hardly feel its a psychedelic. At the right dose, opium is more psychedelic for me.

It really is just very subtle. It does something. Seriously, if you want to use it, add some weed to the mix.

If you are not sensative enough to feel it, then so be it.....


--------------------
[quote]Me_Roy said:
You moron. Material is material is material.  No 'thing' fixes any situation.  If anything were so simple we would be living in a much better world.[/quote] <-----the dumbest thing I have ever read in my life.
Thanks shroomery.


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
Offlinefreezepooter
Rainy DayMushroom Pillow
 User Gallery

Registered: 02/21/05
Posts: 278
Loc: PNW
Last seen: 14 years, 9 months
Re: A New Psychedelic? [Re: yageman]
    #5946130 - 08/08/06 11:21 PM (17 years, 5 months ago)

so are most coleus of the Blumei species??


--------------------
"The mountains are calling and I must go." - John Muir


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
Offlinepassitbobbie
Stranger

Registered: 01/13/05
Posts: 554
Last seen: 14 years, 20 days
Re: A New Psychedelic? [Re: freezepooter]
    #5946360 - 08/09/06 01:17 AM (17 years, 5 months ago)

god loves us


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
OfflineDarkflame
I'm a cat.
Male

Registered: 10/10/05
Posts: 122
Last seen: 5 years, 7 months
Re: A New Psychedelic? [Re: yageman]
    #5946474 - 08/09/06 02:33 AM (17 years, 5 months ago)

I think that the comment that only about 20% of people get an effect could probably have been said for salvia if people hadn't started using extracts. In fact with salvia its probably far less than 20% who can get effects from dried leaf. I certainly couldn't. Therefore I think that Coleus still has a lot of promise.

Apparently Coleus B only works as a tea with about 60+ leaves. So I guess the active ingredient is only slightly soluble in water. However, people have had good experiences using it in a quid with a mere 8 leaves.

About the inactivity upon drying:
'They believe the leaves to be inactive when dried, but this is not true—the dried leaves preserve their activity indefinitely and salvinorin A is highly stable. Valdés suggested the dried leaves were unsuitable for preparing the aqueous infusion, but Pendell has shown they can be successfully rehydrated for oral ingestion, one way the Mazatecs have been documented using the fresh leaves. Valdés saw in the strange method of preparing an infusion of the fresh leaves: “a pharmaceutically elegant way of preparing a microsuspension or emulsion of salvinorin A,” while Wasson dismissed this as “certainly an inefficient method.” Siebert’s studies showed it to be indeed an inefficient method—a marginal, low dose which provoked no effects in an imitation of the Mazatec technique (and the same dose which was all but inactive for Albert Hofmann, even when prepared under the supervision of María Sabina) was “consistently effective” at evoking “definite psychoactive effects” utilizing the simple quid method, readily discovered by American ‘basement shamans,’ but not divined by the Mazatecs.' - sagewisdom.org

This is actually talking about salvia d. However it can be assumed that if the active ingredients are similar then the same can apply. It is also important to note that the Mazatecs believe salvia d. to be inactive dried and the only sources I could find that described coleus brumei leaves as inactive when dried cited interviews and the like with the Mazatecs as evidence, if they gave any at all, to back up this claim.

Anyhoo I'm off to pick more coleus leaves for my next experiment.


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
OfflineCptnGarden
fuck this site
Registered: 05/13/04
Posts: 11,945
Last seen: 14 years, 9 months
Re: A New Psychedelic? [Re: Darkflame]
    #5946490 - 08/09/06 02:56 AM (17 years, 5 months ago)

60+ leafs? I had to use 150 fresh... with the other plant matter and all


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
OfflineDarkflame
I'm a cat.
Male

Registered: 10/10/05
Posts: 122
Last seen: 5 years, 7 months
Re: A New Psychedelic? [Re: CptnGarden]
    #5946731 - 08/09/06 07:27 AM (17 years, 5 months ago)

Meh, I haven't the heart to tear all the leaves from my plant to investigate how many leaves are needed for a tea. I just used some information from sagewisdom. Though I'm considering trying a quid. But I'm only taking ill looking leaves off my plant at the moment, I'm not gonna take what the plant isn't willing to give me. Might give the flower buds a try too.


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
OfflineDarkflame
I'm a cat.
Male

Registered: 10/10/05
Posts: 122
Last seen: 5 years, 7 months
Re: A New Psychedelic? [Re: Darkflame]
    #5946822 - 08/09/06 09:05 AM (17 years, 5 months ago)

Ok guys. Had a go at doing a quid just now. Was pretty unsuccessful. I don't want to put anybody off this method but I've drank wormwood tea and cactus tea and neither of them tasted so gut wrenchingly nasty. I nearly vomited 3 times just from the taste then decided I couldn't stomach it and spat it back out. I think that is one experiment someone else will have to try.

Why is it the nature of psychedelics to taste foul?

Next time I'll cram it up my ass  :goatse: :tongue:

(I'm kidding guys. Hey stop imagining it. That is not funny!)


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
OfflineS1lverdj
Stranger
Male
Registered: 07/22/06
Posts: 179
Last seen: 5 years, 7 months
Re: A New Psychedelic? [Re: Darkflame]
    #5946840 - 08/09/06 09:21 AM (17 years, 5 months ago)

Ya know...C. blumei suppositories is where the future is...


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
OfflineHerbus
...

Registered: 10/19/04
Posts: 1,477
Loc: Reading the map...
Last seen: 10 years, 23 days
Re: A New Psychedelic? [Re: Darkflame]
    #5946873 - 08/09/06 09:43 AM (17 years, 5 months ago)

Quote:

Darkflame said: It is quite possible that the compounds are in the same family yet have different effects similar to comparing DMT and 4-HO-DMT in the tryptamine family.
The effects are described as being similar to a mild psilocybe trip lasting about two hours.




I got this far, and decided it necessary to respond somehow.

I've never used this particular plant, however I have used S. divinorum and plenty of tryptamines. The effects of salvinorin(s) and tryptamine(s) are WAY, repeat, WAY different in my opinion. Only thing which is similiar, to me, would be the fact that they're both drugs which can cause serious distortions in one's interpretation(s) of reality. That said, typically the distortion(s) caused (by Salvia) are quite different in nature than those brought on by tryptamines.

To me, the most marked difference would be psychological, and considering these are 'psychoactive drugs' a good deal of categorization efforts should deal with the mental effects produced.

I'm sure most who've taken Salvia and say, mushrooms, would agree that the psychological state produced by both substances is quite different from the other.

Oh, and if you're considering a attack-orientated response, please re-read my post and notice I consistently say things like, "In my opinion," "to me" or "for me..." which should indicate this post is an OPINION, so keep that in mind before you start telling me how wrong I am... that's your interpretation of how my thoughts do not coincide with yours.


--------------------
...


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
OfflineDarkflame
I'm a cat.
Male

Registered: 10/10/05
Posts: 122
Last seen: 5 years, 7 months
Re: A New Psychedelic? [Re: Herbus]
    #5946932 - 08/09/06 10:09 AM (17 years, 5 months ago)

I was not trying to say that salvinorins and tryptamines are in any way related or in fact have similar effects. The only similarity appears to be the description - psychedelic. The point I was trying to get across is the way that DMT is a potent short acting (when smoked at least) chemical and 4-HO-DMT while chemically similar has very different effects.
I was hypothesising that in the family of salvinorins, salvinorin a is similar to DMT in that is it both short acting and highly potent whilst the active ingredient in Coleus B is longer acting and milder, again similar to psilocin in the tryptamine family. I was drawing comparison between duration and potency not psychedelic effects.
I felt that using chemicals we can all relate to as examples would help get my point across.

Whilst I would not dream of saying that your opinions are wrong (you do of course have a right to your own opinion) I suspect that you may have misinterpreted me and thus missed my point. I am sorry if I didnt make my point sufficiently clear and hope this clarifies my point with others who have also been confused by this comparison.

On another note I'm drying some leaves and getting some kit together to try to extract the active ingredient. Wish me luck.


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
Invisibleshamantra
hobbyethnobotanist

Registered: 05/18/04
Posts: 1,177
Loc: ¯\(º_o)/¯
Re: A New Psychedelic? [Re: Darkflame]
    #5946999 - 08/09/06 10:36 AM (17 years, 5 months ago)

It has been suggested that forskolin (a labdane diterpene) are responsible for any possible effect from coleus blumei and nothing related to Salvinorin A (a trans-neoclerodane diterpenoid). But forskolin should not, in theory at least, be psycoactive. BUT it may be that some terpenes have a potentiating effect so it COULD BE that coleus has been used traditionally by the mazatecs because of potentiating effects when ingested together with salvia divenorium. just a theory tho, nothing about it has been proven.


--------------------
note: english is my 3rd languange, please ignore misspelling and poor english, im doing my best :smile:

http://youtube.com/watch?v=ug98TKkWKy0


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
OfflineDarkflame
I'm a cat.
Male

Registered: 10/10/05
Posts: 122
Last seen: 5 years, 7 months
Re: A New Psychedelic? [Re: shamantra]
    #5947031 - 08/09/06 10:49 AM (17 years, 5 months ago)

Ingesting with salvia d could certainly be an interesting experiment then. Have you got a source I could read about the coleus b containing forskolin. I thought it was only in forskohlii. interesting theory though. Would be good to have a salvia potentiator.


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
OfflineShroomDoom
Friend of the Medicine
 User Gallery

Registered: 06/07/04
Posts: 4,435
Loc: A Psychedelic State Flag
Last seen: 1 year, 8 months
Re: A New Psychedelic? [Re: Darkflame]
    #5947559 - 08/09/06 02:20 PM (17 years, 5 months ago)

someone should injest them all at the same time, the mother, the child, the godson, hell the whole family. that would be an interesting experiment :laugh:


--------------------


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
OfflineAshland
Space Cowboy

Registered: 02/03/06
Posts: 315
Loc: North America
Last seen: 16 years, 11 months
Re: A New Psychedelic? [Re: ShroomDoom]
    #5947946 - 08/09/06 04:52 PM (17 years, 5 months ago)

Ironically enough I bought this plant for my mom for mother's day. . I thought it just looked cool. . haha

I'm going to pick some leaves (probably 4 or 5, it's not a very big plant and the leaves are huge!) and dry them with the intention of smoking them. I will post back when I have something.


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
Offlineyageman
already dead
 User Gallery

Registered: 01/26/06
Posts: 4,965
Last seen: 14 years, 9 months
Re: A New Psychedelic? [Re: Ashland]
    #5947980 - 08/09/06 05:02 PM (17 years, 5 months ago)

In my experience smoking them doesnt do much more than deprive your brain of oxygen. I think it might do something very subtle though.

The only way I can feel obvious effects is from massive quids.
Even tea seemed to work(but that could be because I had a quid in my mouth aswell)


--------------------
[quote]Me_Roy said:
You moron. Material is material is material.  No 'thing' fixes any situation.  If anything were so simple we would be living in a much better world.[/quote] <-----the dumbest thing I have ever read in my life.
Thanks shroomery.


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
Offlinefreezepooter
Rainy DayMushroom Pillow
 User Gallery

Registered: 02/21/05
Posts: 278
Loc: PNW
Last seen: 14 years, 9 months
Re: A New Psychedelic? [Re: yageman]
    #5947997 - 08/09/06 05:07 PM (17 years, 5 months ago)

i drank tea of 70 leaves an hour ago, and feel nothing but calm.


--------------------
"The mountains are calling and I must go." - John Muir


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
OfflineAshland
Space Cowboy

Registered: 02/03/06
Posts: 315
Loc: North America
Last seen: 16 years, 11 months
Re: A New Psychedelic? [Re: yageman]
    #5948006 - 08/09/06 05:08 PM (17 years, 5 months ago)

well in my research the Mazatec(sp?) indians claimed that the leaves must be fresh (within hours) in order to obtain effects... however, no legitimate reason to believe this has been put forward by the scientific community. The same group of shamans (who also use(d) salvia in their rituals in tandem with coleus) claimed that salvia would be ineffectual when dried... and, well, we all know that's not true at all.

I'm going to give it a shot, and I'll let you guys know if I feel any effects from the plant's smoke. Going to dry it in front of a CPU fan (much the same way I dry mushrooms) until smokeable.


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
OfflineMustNotBe
HPPDer
Male User Gallery

Registered: 01/27/06
Posts: 930
Last seen: 1 year, 8 months
Re: A New Psychedelic? [Re: Ashland]
    #5948371 - 08/09/06 07:01 PM (17 years, 5 months ago)

No effect from smoking the flowers either.


--------------------
Junkies United we stand , Devided we're sick as fuck.
-                  -                -
"Hallucinations are something heroin users are not at all accustomed to," said Const. Conor King, Victoria police drug expert. "They react like you or I would react if we took Aspirin and all of a sudden the TV got up and started walking across the room."
-                  -                -
Make drugs legal, or alcohol and tobacco illegal. Either way it's more fair.


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
Offlinefreezepooter
Rainy DayMushroom Pillow
 User Gallery

Registered: 02/21/05
Posts: 278
Loc: PNW
Last seen: 14 years, 9 months
Re: A New Psychedelic? [Re: Darkflame]
    #5969468 - 08/16/06 01:38 PM (17 years, 5 months ago)

bumpy


--------------------
"The mountains are calling and I must go." - John Muir


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
Jump to top Pages: < Back | 1 | 2 | 3  [ show all ]

Shop: Original Sensible Seeds Autoflowering Cannabis Seeds   Mushroom-Hut Substrate Mix   Unfolding Nature Unfolding Nature: Being in the Implicate Order   North Spore North Spore Mushroom Grow Kits & Cultivation Supplies   Left Coast Kratom Buy Kratom Extract   Kraken Kratom Red Vein Kratom


Similar ThreadsPosterViewsRepliesLast post
* Psychedellics and Parkinson's phishphish2 3,394 13 04/26/06 09:54 PM
by phishphish2
* DXM, not psychedelic, really? a discussion about psychedelics stemmer 1,978 13 03/31/06 08:23 PM
by leery11
* does gnarls barkley take psychedelics??????
( 1 2 all )
agoutihead 4,175 34 06/22/06 07:56 PM
by Sintakz
* Aid Of Psychedelics Zimed 1,390 12 05/25/06 02:58 PM
by BloodNOil
* Confused About Psychedelic Users.
( 1 2 all )
Zimed 4,514 30 06/02/06 06:37 PM
by newGuy4950
* Psychedelics and messed-up things that happened to you in the past. Asante 1,252 17 05/06/21 02:13 PM
by redgreenvines
* what do you think? (Question about the mind/thoughts + psychedelics)
( 1 2 all )
Limelight 3,632 20 02/18/06 09:17 AM
by Limelight
* Solvent-based Hash extraction Hix 3,320 18 03/10/06 10:50 AM
by coda

Extra information
You cannot start new topics / You cannot reply to topics
HTML is disabled / BBCode is enabled
Moderator: psilocybinjunkie, Rose, mushboy, LogicaL Chaos, Northerner, bodhisatta
7,087 topic views. 3 members, 33 guests and 8 web crawlers are browsing this forum.
[ Show Images Only | Sort by Score | Print Topic ]
Search this thread:

Copyright 1997-2024 Mind Media. Some rights reserved.

Generated in 0.027 seconds spending 0.01 seconds on 14 queries.