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Re: A New Psychedelic? [Re: Lysergic_Milkman]
    #5756201 - 06/16/06 03:00 AM (17 years, 7 months ago)

Has anyone tried an extraction? Either an alkaloid-type extraction or the salvinorin A type extraction. The results could be interesting and confirm Lysergic_Milkmans theory about the psychoactives being held in the dye.


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Re: A New Psychedelic? [Re: Darkflame]
    #5756221 - 06/16/06 03:23 AM (17 years, 7 months ago)

I never have wanted to. It might benefit when using the leaf.


Im not sure....Im pretty sure that it is an interesting plant without any extractions. It does not make me want to extract it and take larger amounts though. Thats just me.


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Re: A New Psychedelic? [Re: stemmer]
    #5756727 - 06/16/06 09:54 AM (17 years, 7 months ago)

I've got my plant, its very pretty. Whether it turns out to be psychedelic or merely interesting remains to be seen however, I'm extremely glad I got one. I might build myself a window box and grow a few more because they look fantastic. The one I got is one of the "Kong" varieties, its HUGE. I doubt its gonna take 8 of those massive leaves to give me an effect. I'll probably start with one or two but it'll have to wait. The plant needs to get established before I steal its leaves for my own purposes.

It occurs to me that hemp wasn't particularly potent when discovered and thats why hash and oils were made from it whilst more potent versions were being being bred. It is possible that in time we could grow a stronger version of the plant but for now we may have to speed things up a bit with extractions. I understand your point stemmer but you have made it clear that you are quite sensitive to such material so an extract or similar might help us who are not so lucky.


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Re: A New Psychedelic? [Re: Darkflame]
    #5943410 - 08/08/06 08:20 AM (17 years, 5 months ago)

Hi Guys.
Its been a while since I last spoke on this topic but I now have some results.

Experiment 1:
This was done at home in my bedroom in semi-darkness. I put on Pink Floyd and smoked two bowls of dried coleus brumei leaf. I found that it gives off a lot of smoke. After smoking I began to get really into the music. I lay down beneath my bed (this is not as hard as you would think, its a high rise bed) and observed the wooden beams that support the mattress. They appeared to be flowing outwards. After what seemed like about 5 mins the effects wore off and I stood up to discover that about 20mins had passed.

Experiment 2:

I dried about 6 leaves and left them in acetone for a few days. I then slowly evaporated the acetone onto another dried leaf. This left me with very crude 7x Coleus leaf.
Once all smell of acetone had gone completely I dimmed the lights, switched on the lava lamp and put Sgt Pepper on. Once again I smoked two bowls in my bong. I felt the 'pull' I always experience from salvia and also had a hot flush something I used to get when I started smoking salvia.
Not much else was happening so I moved to my chair deciding that acetone must be the wrong solvent and the effects were placebo. Soon however I began to get strangely pleasurable rushes around the area between my eyes and I began to see what appeared to be retina scars that could not have come from any where, the most memorable being a smiling cresent moon. Mild patterning began to appear on the walls and the dimensions looked distinctly fucked. I could have sworn that my chimney breast was curved inwards.
Its been about half an hour now and the rushes are much smaller. Once again it feels as though hardly any time has past and my spelling keeps on needing correcting. Dunno if I got it all. The dimensions are still slightly messed up and walking makes me feel high somewhat similar to a very cerebral weed high.

Anyhow I thought you guys might be interested in how my experiment is getting on so far. I'll keep you posted.


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Re: A New Psychedelic? [Re: Darkflame]
    #5943433 - 08/08/06 08:37 AM (17 years, 5 months ago)

please do...
I find this very interesting


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Re: A New Psychedelic? [Re: Darkflame]
    #5943446 - 08/08/06 08:49 AM (17 years, 5 months ago)

Sorry if I missed it, but are you smoking it out of a piece with MJ or other psychoactive residue?


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Re: A New Psychedelic? [Re: Organic]
    #5943459 - 08/08/06 09:04 AM (17 years, 5 months ago)

Nope. I'm using a bong thats never been used for weed and has been cleaned since my last salvia experience. I've never smoked any other psychoactives in it. I'm just smoking the Coleus on its own crumbled down to a powder. Theres no filler type material such as tobacco or catnip or whathaveyou.


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Re: A New Psychedelic? [Re: Darkflame]
    #5943493 - 08/08/06 09:31 AM (17 years, 5 months ago)

very interesting


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Re: A New Psychedelic? [Re: MustNotBe]
    #5943500 - 08/08/06 09:33 AM (17 years, 5 months ago)

Well, since I can trip of of green tea, Im definatly gona get me a plant today. Sounds nice...


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Re: A New Psychedelic? [Re: BlindLemon]
    #5943539 - 08/08/06 09:50 AM (17 years, 5 months ago)

and actually we grow them on the side of our house. haha I just cut a couple leaves off.


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Re: A New Psychedelic? [Re: MustNotBe]
    #5943561 - 08/08/06 10:01 AM (17 years, 5 months ago)

Sweet. They take forever to sun dry though. If you have a better idea I'd love to hear it.


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Re: A New Psychedelic? [Re: Darkflame]
    #5943621 - 08/08/06 10:29 AM (17 years, 5 months ago)

toaster oven at 100 degrees, food dehydrator? O and what did you use as your dosage for 7x, and the leaves?


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Re: A New Psychedelic? [Re: MustNotBe]
    #5943655 - 08/08/06 10:44 AM (17 years, 5 months ago)

I just packed the bowl in my bong. I don't have a suitable scale for that kinda thing at the moment. I'd guess maybe a 3rd of a gram though. Not a huge amount.


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Re: A New Psychedelic? [Re: Darkflame]
    #5943972 - 08/08/06 12:19 PM (17 years, 5 months ago)

I pulled about 3 grams of flowers off the plants we have. I am going to smoke the leaves today. Along with some beers. Ill do 7 bowls.

Tomarrow I'll smoke all the flowers I have. Ill report my findings back here.


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Re: A New Psychedelic? [Re: MustNotBe]
    #5944275 - 08/08/06 02:02 PM (17 years, 5 months ago)

I havent tried the flowers. I heard that you are supposed to remove them to turn the plant from an annual to a perennial. good luck.


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Re: A New Psychedelic? [Re: Darkflame]
    #5944452 - 08/08/06 03:10 PM (17 years, 5 months ago)

Ok, This is really cool guys.

I think i may have two varieties of coleus Blumei here at home.
what do you think?

here's the first one
big leaves

second, more leafy but smaller


I don't want to smoke the plant, so would boiling them in tea be ok?
Or are they like salvia where only the glands in your mouth absorb the active components?

seaching the internet people say the high is that of a tame mushroom trip, unlike salvia.


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Re: A New Psychedelic? [Re: Darkflame]
    #5944816 - 08/08/06 05:08 PM (17 years, 5 months ago)

http://www.theherbaladvisor.com/pharmacopoeia.html

What it says about Coleus

"Coleus (Coleus forskohlii) Coleus is an aromatic digestive which increases saliva and gastric acid output. It is excellent for congestive heart disease, asthma, psoriasis and hypertension. It is a great topical treatment for glaucoma and has the incredible effect of increasing ATP production in mitochondria by catalyzing the production of cAMP. This is the reason for its success with psoriasis patients and people with low Kreb's cycle activity. It has a similar effect on the thyroid gland to TSH. It potentiates the intracellular effects of many hormones and has a significant effect on lowering blood pressure. "


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Re: A New Psychedelic? [Re: TTT]
    #5945328 - 08/08/06 07:21 PM (17 years, 5 months ago)

Smoked .9 grams of the dried leaf. No effects except the blending of colors on what I was looking at while I took a hit. Placebo effect I guess. Flowers tomorrow.


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Re: A New Psychedelic? [Re: MustNotBe]
    #5945411 - 08/08/06 07:40 PM (17 years, 5 months ago)

i've been reading that drying the leaf renders it inactive. Shroomie of Doomie smoked several coleus cigs and nothing happend.

there are coleus all over my street. how can i decifer if its the active Blumei?

here are a few more varieties, any help if these are blume?



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Re: A New Psychedelic? [Re: freezepooter]
    #5945584 - 08/08/06 08:31 PM (17 years, 5 months ago)

the 2nd and 4th are the correct species.


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