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InvisibleSilversoul
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Owning the sun
    #5751910 - 06/14/06 11:39 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

The sun has been common property for all of human history. I just decided I'm going to put an end to such socialist nonsense, and claim the sun as my private property. I was the first one to conceive of the sun as private property, therefore it's mine. That's how it worked with land when the Europeans came to America, so I don't see why it shouldn't work the same way with stellar objects. Now, don't get all flustered. You can still enjoy the benefits of the sun, for a small fee of course. Afterall, I can't just let you use my sun for free. Then you'd just be a bunch of freeloaders. Now, if you plan on using the sun(i.e. living) in the near future, I suggest you pay up. Let's say, $20 per person. That seems an exceedingly generous price to pay for the benefits you receive from my sun. I'll be expecting checks in the mail within a week, or else I'll have to use necessary force in defense of my property.


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Re: Owning the sun [Re: Silversoul]
    #5751913 - 06/14/06 11:40 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

How do you know out of billions of humans throughout history that you're the first one to concieve of this?


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Re: Owning the sun [Re: MOTH]
    #5751924 - 06/14/06 11:43 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

I don't, just as the Europeans couldn't be sure that none of the Native Americans ever had a concept of land ownership. But there was no such concept when they arrived, so it was free for the taking.


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Re: Owning the sun [Re: Silversoul]
    #5751973 - 06/15/06 12:02 AM (17 years, 7 months ago)

Hey, I suppose we'll get a 'sun tax' too, while you're at it? 

Damn those pale-skinned people.  :mad:  They mess up everything.

And they need the Sun to tan most of all.


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Re: Owning the sun [Re: MOTH]
    #5751988 - 06/15/06 12:07 AM (17 years, 7 months ago)

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EllemyshShade said:
Hey, I suppose we'll get a 'sun tax' too, while you're at it?



That's what the $20 is for. I figured I'd set it low, since much of the world lives in poverty, so many people will take much of the year to pay it off. I'll expect such payments annually, seeing as how it takes a year to rotate around my sun.


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Re: Owning the sun [Re: Silversoul]
    #5752269 - 06/15/06 02:42 AM (17 years, 7 months ago)

I tried to plant a flag on the sun once, but it didn't work out.

got a nice tan though. 

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Re: Owning the sun [Re: DoctorJ]
    #5752327 - 06/15/06 03:51 AM (17 years, 7 months ago)

remember how america recorded the moon landing in hollywood. remember how chine or some place like that actually Went there?

there is about to be a big big fight. This is what will start ww3. because someone is getting all the taxes for all the bisnesses going to the moon its going to be HUGH....there will be a fight.


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Re: Owning the sun [Re: Silversoul]
    #5752340 - 06/15/06 04:20 AM (17 years, 7 months ago)

That is funny..

Our sun give to us; unconditionally.. ..craving nothing in return?

Why does that sound so familiar!?

Heh..


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Re: Owning the sun [Re: Silversoul]
    #5752452 - 06/15/06 06:00 AM (17 years, 7 months ago)

I was more under the impression that i AM the sun. Its just that funny dubiousness you sometimes get looking at its edges, communication. Apparently this celestial body is somewhere in 'space' that you could reach in a 'rocket'. That it is one of many similar orbs or entities i am prepared to accept :wink:


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Re: Owning the sun [Re: Silversoul]
    #5752617 - 06/15/06 07:40 AM (17 years, 7 months ago)

> and claim the sun as my private property.

Your damn sun just burned me. I'm gonna sue you for the pain and suffering it is causing me... and for the medical bills associated with the skin cancer testing that I had to have done.


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Re: Owning the sun [Re: Silversoul]
    #5752783 - 06/15/06 08:46 AM (17 years, 7 months ago)

You are too late. Where I live I can apply for and get a solar easement. Then, if my neighbor to the South plants trees that grow too tall and block my sun I can legally force him to whack them down to get my sun back.

Hahahahahahaha fuck you and your $ 20 attempt at extortion...


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Re: Owning the sun [Re: Silversoul]
    #5752931 - 06/15/06 09:52 AM (17 years, 7 months ago)

Quote:

Silversoul said:
The sun has been common property for all of human history.  I just decided I'm going to put an end to such socialist nonsense, and claim the sun as my private property.  I was the first one to conceive of the sun as private property, therefore it's mine.  That's how it worked with land when the Europeans came to America, so I don't see why it shouldn't work the same way with stellar objects.  Now, don't get all flustered.  You can still enjoy the benefits of the sun, for a small fee of course.  Afterall, I can't just let you use my sun for free.  Then you'd just be a bunch of freeloaders.  Now, if you plan on using the sun(i.e. living) in the near future, I suggest you pay up.  Let's say, $20 per person.  That seems an exceedingly generous price to pay for the benefits you receive from my sun.  I'll be expecting checks in the mail within a week, or else I'll have to use necessary force in defense of my property.




You also need an army to hold your property. :wink:


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Re: Owning the sun [Re: Icelander]
    #5752949 - 06/15/06 09:57 AM (17 years, 7 months ago)

1. You'll have to make me make money.

2. You'll have to come collect it yourself.

3. Fuck it, you can have the fucking sun, I don't fucking need it, just take it wherever you fucking want and get the fuck out of here for fucks sake you know and so on

4. Swearing for the sake of swearing is more interesting than owning for the sake of owning, imho. Whatever floats your "yacht", I guess.


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Re: Owning the sun [Re: slaphappy]
    #5753239 - 06/15/06 11:24 AM (17 years, 7 months ago)

Wal-Mart will build a better sun next to yours and force yours out of business.


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Re: Owning the sun [Re: Silversoul]
    #5753856 - 06/15/06 02:40 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

You first have to take it away, then you can sell it :wink:

(Oh, is it you then every night ?)


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Re: Owning the sun [Re: Silversoul]
    #5754166 - 06/15/06 04:35 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

Dooooooooooooooooooooooooood, you should put your sun up for auction on EBAY....!?    :lol:

What mileage does it get per gallon....?


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Re: Owning the sun [Re: Silversoul]
    #5754283 - 06/15/06 05:04 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

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The Illuminatus Trilogy said:

Appendix Zain -- Property and Privilege


Property is theft. -- P.J. Proudhon

Property is liberty. -- P.J. Proudhon

Property is impossible. -- P.J. Proudhon

Consistency is the hobgoblin of small minds. -- Ralph Waldo Emerson


Proudhon, by piling up his contradictions this way, was not merely being French; he was trying to indicate that the abstraction "property" covers a variety of phenomena, some pernicious and some beneficial. Let us borrow a device from the semanticists and examine his triad with the subscripts attached for maximum clarity.

"Property1 is theft" means that property1 created by the artificial laws of feudal, capitalist, and other authoritarian societies, is based on armed robbery. Land titles, for instance, are clear examples of property1; swords and shot were the original coins of transaction.

"Property2 is liberty" means that property2, that which will be voluntarily honored in a voluntary (anarchist) society, is the foundation of the liberty in that society. The more people's interests are co-mingled and confused, as in collectivism, the more they will be stepping on each other's toes; only when the rules of the game declare clearly "This is mine and this is thine," and the game is voluntarily accepted as worthwhile by the parties to it, can true independence be achieved.

"Property3 is impossible" means that property3 (=property1) creates so much conflict of interest that society is in perpetual undeclared civil war and must eventually devour itself (and properties 1 and 3 as well). In short, Proudhon, in his own way, foresaw the Snafu Principle. He also foresaw that communism would only perpetuate and aggravate the conflicts, and that anarchy is the only viable alternative to this chaos.

It is averred, of course, that property2 will come into existence only in a totally voluntary society; many forms of it already exist. The error of most alleged libertarians -- especially the followers of the egregious Ayn Rand -- is to assume that all property1 is property2. The distinction can be made by any IQ above 70 and is absurdly simple. The test is to ask, of any title of ownership you are asked to accept or which you ask others to accept, "Would this be honored in a free society of rationalists, or does it require the armed might of a Stateto force people to honor it?" If it be the former, it is property2 and represents liberty; if it be the latter, it is property1 and represents theft.




Edited by MushmanTheManic (06/15/06 05:06 PM)


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Re: Owning the sun [Re: MushmanTheManic]
    #5754296 - 06/15/06 05:08 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

Somehow, I suspected you would bring Robert Anton Wilson into this.


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Re: Owning the sun [Re: Silversoul]
    #5754324 - 06/15/06 05:16 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

I couldn't hold myself back.


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Re: Owning the sun [Re: MushmanTheManic]
    #5754363 - 06/15/06 05:24 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

if you climb the spiral stairwell through the four climates and enter into the Golden Hall of the Secret Sun.
then you must dance.

and once you dance upon the surface of the sun, only then can you claim it as your own.


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