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fireworks_god
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Identity
#5750401 - 06/14/06 05:54 PM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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I propose that perhaps those who go to an end to express aspects of another's identity to the other person, and to others, are themselves overly concerned and perhaps neurotic with their own identity.
They feel the need, perhaps, to establish a consensual identity for others as a direct result and aspect of their attempts to establish a consensual, and even personal, identity for themselves.
I consider it as possible that such a person experiences conflict and struggle with identity from within, and perhaps misintreprets external situations through their inner lens.
What are your thoughts? 
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shroomydan
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What do you mean by "consensual identity"?
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fireworks_god
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Ultimately, it relates to an individual who is concerned with what others think about them. Trying to impress people... etc. 
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Andy21
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Well to an extent I would agree, it really depends on what they are seeing. My grandmother is an odd kettle of fish, she has spent her entire life drinking too much and dwelling on whatever illness,pain comes her way (there is always something). When she gives someone something she makes a big song and dance about your reaction, so you get a birthday card you must kiss her and read the verse and react. Wow I am just ranting about my alcoholic grandmother and completely ignoring your topic, sorry. You are right, I mean I used to be paranoid of what people thought of me at work so I would interpret every situation from the perspective of people thinking I was lazy. In my ripe old age of 22 I now see that I was just feeding my subconscious with internal negative dialogue. I also was probably protein deficient. Also this 18 year old I am seeing at the moment, he spends a lot of his time bitching to me about how much he does for his friends and how ungrateful and uncaring they are. I have seen no evidence of his caring, his giving or his altruism; however he tries to establish it through denigrating the character of his friends. Alas I see myself in the poor deluded soul and want to help him out and do a little kissing too.
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Basilides
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I just finished watching Face Off with John Travolta and Nick Cage
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fireworks_god
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I've seen the movie case to that, but never watched the movie itself. 
I just figured it was about two guys staring at each other... 
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Basilides
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It's about two guys (a cop and a criminal thug) who switch physical identities by changing their voices and switching faces via surgery.
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Andy21
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But Travolta is way fatter than Cage, they do a fat swap?
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Schwammel
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Re: Identity [Re: Andy21]
#5750535 - 06/14/06 06:33 PM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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CRISIS
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Schwammel
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Identity may refer to one of the following:
In creative works:
* Identity (book) is a novel written by Milan Kundera. * Identity (film) is a movie starring John Cusack. * Identity (music), a transformation of pitches in music.
In business:
* Corporate identity is the physical manifestation of a business brand. * Identity theft is the deliberate appropriation of someone else's identity (without that person's permission) for criminal purposes.
In social science and psychology:
* Identity (social science) (or "social identity"). In the social sciences, identity has specific meanings, stemming from cognitive theory, sociology, politics, and psychology. See also identity politics. * Cultural identity is a person's self-affiliation (or categorization by others) as a member of a cultural group. * Gender identity is the gender with which a person identifies (or is identified by others). * Digital identity is the representation of identity in terms of digital information. * Online identity is the digital identity established by computer network users. * Psychological identity is the concept that an individual has a unique identity developed relatively late in history.
In philosophy:
* Identity (philosophy) is the sameness of two things (also see law of identity) * Identity theory of mind, in the philosophy of mind, holds that the mind is identical to the brain * Personal identity, in philosophy
In mathematics:
* An identity is an equality that holds regardless of the values of its variables. * An identity object is an entity that does not change other objects: see identity function, identity element, identity matrix, and identity morphism.
In computer science:
* Identity (object-oriented programming), a property of objects that allows those objects to be distinguished from each other.
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Wise men have said that it is only possible to know one's self in relation to others. I think the problem arises when people try to bullshit. Bullshitters try to present themselves as different than they truly are. Most attempt to appear greater than they actually are, but some condescend (slumming). True wisdom comes in realizing that you are the equal of every man, on the ontological level (the level of being), but different in knowledge of particulars, and different in abilities.
If one wishes to find his true identity, then one must first try to ascertain his purpose. On the level of being we are all Homo sapiens; on the level of doing we distinguish ourselves.
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Schwammel
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""""Jesus, I am overjoyed to meet you face to face. You've been getting quite a name all around the place. Healing cripples, raising from the dead. And now I understand you're God, At least, that's what you've said. So, you are the Christ, you're the great Jesus Christ. Prove to me that you're divine; change my water into wine. That's all you need do, then I'll know it's all true. Come on, King of the Jews.""""
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"They feel the need, perhaps, to establish a consensual identity for others as a direct result and aspect of their attempts to establish a consensual, and even personal, identity for themselves."
Trying to have a consensual identity is terrible in my view. Not only do you establish an identity with others which includes many self limiting weaknesses, you also establish an identity that you feel you must live up to thereby defining yourself by what others think. You are giving up your freedom to be an individual. You create imaginary weakness then tell everyone about it...not too bright.
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Schwammel
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"""If one wishes to find his true identity, then one must first try to ascertain his purpose. """
and waht is taht?
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Schwammel
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back to "logic" therefore without purpose
you have no identity
and...
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Schwammel
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"""If one wishes to find his true identity, then one must first try to ascertain his purpose. """
I like that.
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shroomydan
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It seems to me that purpose must always be considered in relation to others.
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Schwammel
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string theory and harmonics.
I agree
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Schwammel
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"""then one must first try to ascertain his purpose. """
and waht is taht?
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Schwammel
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and why does """one must first try to ascertain his purpose. """
I don't like some your statement, lets try this...
"""then one must ascertain purpose. """
but I still don't like it..., lets try this
"""one is purpose"
but I still don't like it..., lets try this
"""WILL"""
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