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Gore is an embarrassment to US science
    #5750230 - 06/14/06 04:42 PM (17 years, 11 months ago)



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Re: Gore is an embarrassment to US science [Re: luvdemshrooms]
    #5750265 - 06/14/06 04:57 PM (17 years, 11 months ago)

Gore invented the Internet! Yeah! :rolleyes:


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Re: Gore is an embarrassment to US science [Re: luvdemshrooms]
    #5750299 - 06/14/06 05:17 PM (17 years, 11 months ago)

Perhaps as opposed to citing an internet news article written by a journalist in order to support your point you should review the scientific literature on google scholar and then write a literature review of your findings. There is no doubt whatsoever that the climate is changing, but the climate has never been static for any significant length of time in known history. Could we be forcing the change? well we already do to a great degree, look at how urban surfaces and heat outputs affect the climate of cities. Could CO2 be causing it? well it happened to mars so why not? But does it matter? A change is underway, will anyone do anything significant to reduce CO2 emissions? we can all agree that they wont because the game will not allow it.

I long for the days when informed opinion, civilized discourse and reason dominate political debate.

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Re: Gore is an embarrassment to US science [Re: Andy21]
    #5750346 - 06/14/06 05:32 PM (17 years, 11 months ago)

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I long for the days when informed opinion, civilized discourse and reason dominate political debate.
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All those are in the article.

Sadly, they do not appear in many other places.


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Re: Gore is an embarrassment to US science [Re: luvdemshrooms]
    #5750572 - 06/14/06 06:42 PM (17 years, 11 months ago)



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Re: Gore is an embarrassment to US science [Re: mindfudge]
    #5750637 - 06/14/06 06:56 PM (17 years, 11 months ago)

Even more laughable than saying the sky is falling, are those silly folks who think our way of life is going to last forever.


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Re: Gore is an embarrassment to US science [Re: luvdemshrooms]
    #5751694 - 06/14/06 10:46 PM (17 years, 11 months ago)

I am not a scientist but I have a prediction!

The Earth will cool....

And then it will warm again.


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Re: Gore is an embarrassment to US science [Re: lonestar2004]
    #5753003 - 06/15/06 10:16 AM (17 years, 11 months ago)

> There is no doubt whatsoever that the climate is changing

Of course there is. We simply do not have enough data to know for certain if we are looking at a local blip or an actual climate change. We will know in a few hundred years... hindsight makes it easier.

> Could we be forcing the change? well we already do to a great degree

There is zero proof that humans are having any effect on the climate. Of course, there is zero proof that humans are not having an effect on the climate.

> Could CO2 be causing it? well it happened to mars so why not?

Wow... we can't even figure out Earth but we are experts on the history of Martian climate change? Try again.


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Re: Gore is an embarrassment to US science [Re: Seuss]
    #5754326 - 06/15/06 05:16 PM (17 years, 11 months ago)

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> There is no doubt whatsoever that the climate is changing

Of course there is.  We simply do not have enough data to know for certain if we are looking at a local blip or an actual climate change.  We will know in a few hundred years... hindsight makes it easier.

> Could we be forcing the change? well we already do to a great degree

There is zero proof that humans are having any effect on the climate.  Of course, there is zero proof that humans are not having an effect on the climate.

> Could CO2 be causing it? well it happened to mars so why not?

Wow... we can't even figure out Earth but we are experts on the history of Martian climate change?  Try again.




Humans have zero effect on climate? I was describing the urban heat island effect, climate science 101 material. My statements about mars are sourced here link  and it turns out I meant venus  :thumbup: but I was sleepy at the time and my dog kept barking :smirk:
What is a blip if not a change? The three warmest years on record have all occurred since 1998; 19 of the warmest 20 since 1980. We in Europe have been suffering from increasingly deadly  heatwaves. Canada's  Inuit are suffering greatly as result of it.

What do you see as the motivation of all the climatologists reporting to the UN Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change ( IPCC )who have run climate models which suggest we are seeing global warming caused by human activities?

Paleoclimatologists examine data from tree rings and atmospheric
bubbles in ice cores. These have revealed that the world has not been as warm as it is now for a millennium or more. This is despite the fact that natural events which affect global temperatures, such as volcanic eruptions should have cooled us down in this period.

Edited by Andy21 (06/15/06 05:21 PM)

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Re: Gore is an embarrassment to US science [Re: Andy21]
    #5754480 - 06/15/06 05:46 PM (17 years, 11 months ago)

Yes, the climate is changing! Look at fossil records, geological surveys, the only thing constant in this world is change. Saying that its just a blip is all but laughable in the long term... things are changing. Hell, most people don't realize that we're still in the end stages of an ice age.

Things will always be changing around us. That's what makes science so difficult - the world changes constantly, but the same scientific dogmas get rehashed over and over as if the observable behavior that they were based on will always repeat the same way from now til forever.

So, we know the climate is in fact changing. All of the signs are there - a huge increase in volcanic activity, water temperatures rising to record highs. But are we to blame? Maybe. But you know what? I'd rather do what I can to help make sure we aren't the problem. An ounce of prevention is worth a ton of cure.


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Edited by wiggles (06/15/06 05:49 PM)

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Re: Gore is an embarrassment to US science [Re: Andy21]
    #5754580 - 06/15/06 06:04 PM (17 years, 11 months ago)

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Here is my issue with this sort of thing... I have no doubt at all that the climate is changing... however, I have serious doubts as to the causality of climate change being linked to mankind. Millions of years of history have shown regular periodic massive climate changes... desserts become seas and seas become desserts type of climate changes... and all of those occured without the help of mankind... so why this time around are so many "experts" convinced that the climate change is caused by mankind?




Those changes too would probably have been caused by some physical process which resulted in alterations of energy feedback mechanisms or natural events like volcanic outgassing. We are outgassing CO2 on a massive scale, we (through intensive cattle farming) are also outgassing methane on a huge scale. Both known to play a role in the natural greenhouse gas shield which maintains the Earths temperature.

Edited by Andy21 (06/15/06 06:06 PM)

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Re: Gore is an embarrassment to US science [Re: luvdemshrooms]
    #5754980 - 06/15/06 07:47 PM (17 years, 11 months ago)

Most people don't know this but mining Iron causes the Earth's magnetic poles to shift..


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Re: Gore is an embarrassment to US science [Re: wiggles]
    #5756295 - 06/16/06 05:04 AM (17 years, 11 months ago)

> An ounce of prevention is worth a ton of cure.

Not always true. Unless you understand the problem, the "prevention" that you are doing can actually be making things worse rather than better. (In a generic sense, not speaking towards climate specifically.) This is my big gripe with the envirofreaks that fan the fear of global warming to get policy changes. If I need to clean the environment, fine, but don't feed me all this pseudoscience BS trying to scare me into it. Show me real science that no only indicates the problem, but shows that the money I am spending will help fix the problem rather than pushing it somewhere else.

I do not consider true environmentalists to be envirofreaks. The envirofreaks are the idiots that failed out of high school science, but have expert knowledge on how the climate works and know exactly what mankind needs to do in order to stop global warming. Al "I wish I were Vincent" Gore, wanna-be creator of the internet, fits the bill for an envirofreak... flying around in his jet plane, using more oil in a day than I use in a year, telling me how to protect the planet from people like me so that people like him can enjoy their wealth.

Finally, there seems to be some confusion about my "blip" comment. What I meant was that since the ice age the planet has been rewarming. The rate of this change has been fairly constant. Right now we are seeing an increase in the rate of change. We have tagged this increase "global warming" and have blamed it on pollution from people. However, we cannot tell if this increase in the rate of change is a long term trend or a short term trend. If it is a long term trend, then it will continue getting worse and worse. If it is a short term trend, known as a blip, then as time progresses, the rate of change will go back to the average.


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Re: Gore is an embarrassment to US science [Re: luvdemshrooms]
    #5757726 - 06/16/06 03:20 PM (17 years, 11 months ago)

I saw The Inconvenient Truth yesterday, it was very dry but filled with oodles information (that likely everyone has seen just not in such a concentrated manner).

There was an interesting bit on how a sample of 850 climate based articles in peer reviewed scientific journals not one of them disputed the legitimacy of co2 climate change. In comparison they took a sample of 650 articles from popular media and 53% refuted its legitimacy.

Who else has actually seen it?

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Re: Gore is an embarrassment to US science [Re: Noetical]
    #5761100 - 06/17/06 04:45 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

I'd just like to point out that Gore never said he invented the Internet. He said that as a Senator, he took initiative in creating the Internet, which is true. He never even used the word "Internet."

I'm in no way a big fan of Al Gore, but please stop believing everything you hear.


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Re: Gore is an embarrassment to US science [Re: SlapnutRob]
    #5761157 - 06/17/06 05:03 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

Slap! Good to see you again! Where you been for the last two years?



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Re: Gore is an embarrassment to US science [Re: lonestar2004]
    #5761302 - 06/17/06 05:41 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

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lonestar2004 said:
I am not a scientist but I have a prediction!

The Earth will cool....

And then it will warm again.






whoa, those crazy seasonal changes

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Re: Gore is an embarrassment to US science [Re: Prisoner#1]
    #5761425 - 06/17/06 06:26 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

perhaps the sun is getting hotter and it has less to do with "global warming?"


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Re: Gore is an embarrassment to US science [Re: kotik]
    #5764627 - 06/18/06 02:41 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

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perhaps the sun is getting hotter and it has less to do with "global warming?"




Luminosity does not always affect heat. The sun is changing temps, but it will not actually heat up until it is getting ready to leave the main sequence stage. It should be cooling down slightly right now. Not enough to affect the earth though.

As for global warming, it is happening, we are contributing, there is no way to stop it. We can slow down the process by changing how we live, but it will happen either way. Its not going to affect us too much though because it will happen over an extended period of time and we will be adapting to the climate change, rising seas and Co2 in our atmosphere. Its not going to be "The Day After Tomorrow."


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Re: Gore is an embarrassment to US science [Re: luvdemshrooms]
    #5766331 - 06/19/06 12:32 AM (17 years, 10 months ago)

This isn't convenient. The Sun's variations in energy output must be somehow connected to the CO2 levels on Earth. So does CO2 still cause global warming?

That's for the philosophers to decide.




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Re: Gore is an embarrassment to US science [Re: Baby_Hitler]
    #5766512 - 06/19/06 01:33 AM (17 years, 10 months ago)

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Most people don't know this but mining Iron causes the Earth's magnetic poles to shift..




I hear that the damming of water makes the earth spin faster.


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Re: Gore is an embarrassment to US science [Re: GabbaDj]
    #5766692 - 06/19/06 02:41 AM (17 years, 10 months ago)

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I hear that the damming of water makes the earth spin faster.




I was watching discovery and it said that the new super dam they are building in china is so big it's going to alter the axis of the earth by a slight margin. Pretty crazy.

They also said that if it were to fail it will spell total financial ruin for the country it is that big of a project. I guess china has no plans for war against the US in any foreseeable future, you know that'd be the 1st thing we'd bomb too.


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Re: Gore is an embarrassment to US science [Re: luvdemshrooms]
    #5766770 - 06/19/06 03:37 AM (17 years, 10 months ago)

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Others opinions may vary, but that doesn't matter.

The sky is falling!




The film is alarmism... how is this news?

I see it this way:

People are very stupid and stubborn. If you want to change people, you either have to promise them obvious profit, or make them scared shitless, otherwise they'll beat their chests, demonize your dissent, and ignore what you've told them.

The film serves to do some cage-rattling, and get people to pull their heads out of their asses long enough to look around and think about the issue. Sure, their head will plunge back into the ass eventually, but perhaps the impact of the film will have made some change by then.


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Re: Gore is an embarrassment to US science [Re: Konnrade]
    #5768027 - 06/19/06 01:29 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

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Re: Gore is an embarrassment to US science [Re: sever]
    #5768699 - 06/19/06 04:29 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

Here's a link to an MP3 from Science Friday on NPR, where two scientists discuss issues including global warming in a context pertaining to politics and politicians.

http://media.libsyn.com/media/sciencefriday/scifri-2006061623.mp3

The short length of the program unfortunately limits the depth of discussion, but it's an interesting thing to listen to.


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Re: Gore is an embarrassment to US science [Re: Konnrade]
    #5774145 - 06/20/06 09:13 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

Phred, didn't expect anyone to remember me.

I kinda stopped posting here because the traffic is so high that keeping up with this board is too time-consuming. I'm also a Moderator on another message board.


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Re: Gore is an embarrassment to US science [Re: SlapnutRob]
    #5776402 - 06/21/06 12:41 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

Even if we aren't the cause of global warming shouldn't we still stop polluting rivers and forests and all other environments. Acid rain is clearly cause by us too. Global warming isn't the only environmental issue, it seems as though people are forgetting that though.

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Re: Gore is an embarrassment to US science [Re: ictoasnrnsigwt]
    #5776406 - 06/21/06 12:44 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

Manbearpig is still alive.... Im serial! We gotta blow the cave! The children are dead. Hes gonna get away! famous words of gore in episode 804 of south park.


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