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AliceDee
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vege-oil deisel cars
#5749152 - 06/14/06 10:19 AM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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other than beign cheap as fuck... do deisel engines that run off vefetable oil produce less polution aswell?? does anyone have any links about this stuff?
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Re: vege-oil deisel cars [Re: AliceDee]
#5749159 - 06/14/06 10:24 AM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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Talk to zippoz
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Re: vege-oil deisel cars [Re: AliceDee]
#5749161 - 06/14/06 10:24 AM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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I hear the emissions smell like french frys, srsly.
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Re: vege-oil deisel cars [Re: Noetical]
#5749211 - 06/14/06 10:52 AM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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^^ yeah I saw that popular mechanichs for kids also
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Re: vege-oil deisel cars [Re: AliceDee]
#5749224 - 06/14/06 10:57 AM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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zippoz is the man when it comes to this shit. He did a conversion on his truck.
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Re: vege-oil deisel cars [Re: RandalFlagg]
#5749380 - 06/14/06 11:41 AM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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It produces less pollution and doesn't contribute (as much) to global warming because the carbon has recently been taken from the atmosphere by the plants used to produce the veggie oil and is part of the "carbon cycle." When you burn fossil fuels the C02 has been locked inside the earth for millions of years.
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Re: vege-oil deisel cars [Re: nickpdx]
#5749394 - 06/14/06 11:47 AM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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Quote:
nickpdx said: It produces less pollution and doesn't contribute (as much) to global warming because the carbon has recently been taken from the atmosphere by the plants used to produce the veggie oil and is part of the "carbon cycle." When you burn fossil fuels the C02 has been locked inside the earth for millions of years.
Look up stuff on peak oil.
Bascially, "bio-fuels" are not an energy source. Sure, there is some waste bio-fuel sitting around (like spent oil from french fry friers), but there is not enough to power all of our vehicles. We would need to produce it on a massive scale to power all of our vehicles. And, guess what....most of our fertilizers and pesticides are made from oil.
Also, bio-fuels often are an "energy sink". This means that you need to put more energy into them than you get out. If you need to put 1.2 units of energy in to get 1.0 units back...then you defeat the purpose of the whole endeavor.
All of these "green" energy alternatives sound good but they aren't practical or technologically advanced enough to make much of a difference.
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Re: vege-oil deisel cars [Re: RandalFlagg]
#5749415 - 06/14/06 11:52 AM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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I'm going to get into the buggy whip racket and establish a dominating market share
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Re: vege-oil deisel cars [Re: Noetical]
#5749431 - 06/14/06 11:56 AM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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Noetical said: I'm going to get into the buggy whip racket and establish a dominating market share
If this whole peak oil conspiracy theory stuff happens....that might not be a bad idea.
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Re: vege-oil deisel cars [Re: RandalFlagg]
#5749461 - 06/14/06 12:05 PM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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Quote:
RandalFlagg said:
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nickpdx said: It produces less pollution and doesn't contribute (as much) to global warming because the carbon has recently been taken from the atmosphere by the plants used to produce the veggie oil and is part of the "carbon cycle." When you burn fossil fuels the C02 has been locked inside the earth for millions of years.
Look up stuff on peak oil.
Bascially, "bio-fuels" are not an energy source. Sure, there is some waste bio-fuel sitting around (like spent oil from french fry friers), but there is not enough to power all of our vehicles. We would need to produce it on a massive scale to power all of our vehicles. And, guess what....most of our fertilizers and pesticides are made from oil.
Also, bio-fuels often are an "energy sink". This means that you need to put more energy into them than you get out. If you need to put 1.2 units of energy in to get 1.0 units back...then you defeat the purpose of the whole endeavor.
All of these "green" energy alternatives sound good but they aren't practical or technologically advanced enough to make much of a difference.
I know all about peak oil, and bio-fuels aren't going to do anything to save us in the long run but I think that fuels made from things like recycled cooking oils are good. I don't think growing crops to turn into bio-fuels is good or economical though. All of this ethanol/"E85" hoopla is just pure bullshit.
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Re: vege-oil deisel cars [Re: RandalFlagg]
#5749705 - 06/14/06 01:36 PM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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RandalFlagg said:
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Noetical said: I'm going to get into the buggy whip racket and establish a dominating market share
If this whole peak oil conspiracy theory stuff happens....that might not be a bad idea.
i didn't realize the oil supplies have teamed up with coal deposits and started this worldwide conspiracy... to.. not exist. trouble makers
you could make enough oil with biomass by growing hemp cuz no need of fertilizer or persticide. and it grows BIG.
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Re: vege-oil deisel cars [Re: sleepy]
#5749724 - 06/14/06 01:39 PM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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"save us" from what?
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Re: vege-oil deisel cars [Re: sleepy]
#5750259 - 06/14/06 04:53 PM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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its good stuff i swear, i sent you a pm in regards to your questions
it does produce lower emissions as its produced form a closed carbon cycle.
i plan on taking over the oil industry one day with this stuff i have big big plans
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Re: vege-oil deisel cars [Re: AliceDee]
#5750409 - 06/14/06 06:02 PM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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Burning veggie oils may not fill the void, but when you do use it you definitely contribute a great deal to reducing pollution 
Whats really promising is that you can turn biomass (anything veggie, such as hay) into either synthetic gasoline or ethanol, both being capable of powering gasoline-type internal combustion engines while being fully carboncycle-neutral.
For the consumer in 2006, the veggie oil conversion is a viable alternative. In the end we have to move to a hydrogen economy though, where we thermonuclearly burn heavy hydrogen, to create electricity with which we can free light hydrogen from water, to use as a fuel gas for both combustion and fuel cells.
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Re: vege-oil deisel cars [Re: Asante]
#5750636 - 06/14/06 06:56 PM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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hydrogen schmydrogen. another energy sink.
hydroelectric and solar seem to be the most abundant, non-polluting sources of power to me. drawbacks? yes. limited supply? no. energy required to harness? minimal.
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